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Message no. 1
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell Design (Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:07:15 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-10 11:04:31 EDT, you write:

> Oh no it doesn't Nexx. The "Personal Spell Modifier" (as in for the caster
> and the caster only) is NOT compatible with the restricted or very
> restricted
> modifier rules. Nor is compatible with the "Touch Only" range modifiers.

Uhhhh, no... I'm looking at it now, and while it mentions Touching and
Voluntary Subject... neither Very Restricted target nor Personal Spell say
that one can't be used with the other...

Nexx
Message no. 2
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell Design (Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:15:36 EDT
In a message dated 7/10/98 4:08:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Nexx3@***.COM
writes:

> Uhhhh, no... I'm looking at it now, and while it mentions Touching and
> Voluntary Subject... neither Very Restricted target nor Personal Spell say
> that one can't be used with the other...
>
really, it does in my book, just not in the seperate category listings.
Wonder what's the truth here?

-K
Message no. 3
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell Design (Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:19:04 EDT
In a message dated 98-07-10 21:17:10 EDT, you write:

> > Uhhhh, no... I'm looking at it now, and while it mentions Touching and
> > Voluntary Subject... neither Very Restricted target nor Personal Spell
> say
> > that one can't be used with the other...
> >
> really, it does in my book, just not in the seperate category listings.
> Wonder what's the truth here?


The Truth is out there... where does it say in your book, K?

Nexx
Message no. 4
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell Design (Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:57:29 EDT
In a message dated 7/10/98 8:20:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Nexx3@***.COM
writes:

> > really, it does in my book, just not in the seperate category listings.
> > Wonder what's the truth here?
>
>
> The Truth is out there... where does it say in your book, K?
>
Okay, I found the Touch vs. Voluntary within the description for Touch
Required (Grimoire pg 123)

Very Restricted target cannot be used in conjunction with Manipulation Magic
(same page)

Specific Target is mentioned as a "Detection spell modifier" (page 122).

Restricted Target will also NOT work with Manipulation magic, nor is it
compatible with Very Restricted Target.

ooo, off subject, but here's a good one...Limited Range says Detection spells
cannot be designed with LOS Range (actually, that's under LOS, not limited,
sorry).

Personal spell modifier states that Touch Required and Voluntary Subject are
both not allowed with Personal spell formulae (page 123). BTW, this is usable
with Detection and Manipulation magic only according to the rules (page 122).

Now, if you sit back, and Christmas Tree link all these together...

you get a bigger mess than you need.

-K
Message no. 5
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: Spell Design (Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 14:41:22 -0300
At 21:15 10/07/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/10/98 4:08:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Nexx3@***.COM
>writes:
>
>> Uhhhh, no... I'm looking at it now, and while it mentions Touching and
>> Voluntary Subject... neither Very Restricted target nor Personal Spell say
>> that one can't be used with the other...
>>
>really, it does in my book, just not in the seperate category listings.
>Wonder what's the truth here?
>
>-K
>

I think that Very Restricted Target and Personal Spell CAN be used
togheter.

Personal Spell affects only THE CASTER. But, say, three different magicians
can learn a personal spell from the same formula and cast it normally, on
themselves.

But say Mr. Joe Mage creates a spell using Personal spell and Very
Restrictred
Target (himself). Other mages could even learn to cast this, but it
wouldn't work, because the only target it works on is Joe Mage, and they
can't attempt to cast it
on anyone but themselves...

So, besides being a trick to reduce Drain, it's also a safety measure...

Bira
Message no. 6
From: Pete Wilson <piatro@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell Design (Re: Projection and Perception / Spell drain
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:14:11 -0600
Bira Wrote:


> I think that Very Restricted Target and Personal Spell CAN be used
>togheter.
>
> Personal Spell affects only THE CASTER. But, say, three different magicians
>can learn a personal spell from the same formula and cast it normally, on
>themselves.
>
> But say Mr. Joe Mage creates a spell using Personal spell and Very
>Restrictred
>Target (himself). Other mages could even learn to cast this, but it
>wouldn't work, because the only target it works on is Joe Mage, and they
>can't attempt to cast it
>on anyone but themselves...
>
> So, besides being a trick to reduce Drain, it's also a safety measure...
>

Safe? I don't think so!

If the spell is that specific it would give anyone with the formula a very
big advantage if they try ritual sorcery on him.

If he doesn't want others using the spell he designed he should restrict
acces to the formula. If he doesn't teach anyone the spell and the formula
is not available then nobody is going to be using that exact spell.
They'll just research and design their own spell that has the same effect.


Piatro

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