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Message no. 1
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:23:45 +0000
Hey gang,
Is their a limit to the number of spells a mage can learn? I have
perused the books, but if it is in their, I missed it.
Also, do fetishes count toward focus addiction?

Thanks!

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Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:50:32 -0600
Drekhead wrote:
|
| Hey gang,
| Is their a limit to the number of spells a mage can learn? I have
| perused the books, but if it is in their, I missed it.

Nope. No more than the limit of a number of skills a person can
learn. The only limit is the ammount of karma the GM awards.

-David
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Message no. 3
From: "Simon T. Sailer" <Simon.Sailer@****.AC.AT>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:53:30 +0100
> Hey gang,
> Is their a limit to the number of spells a mage can learn? I have
> perused the books, but if it is in their, I missed it.
> Also, do fetishes count toward focus addiction?
>
> Thanks!
>
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No.
No.

The more experienced listmembers are responsible for the long
answers... ;)

ss
Message no. 4
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:58:56 +0100
|
|Hey gang,
|Is their a limit to the number of spells a mage can learn? I have
|perused the books, but if it is in their, I missed it.

Only based on the amount of Karma they can afford, I'd imagine.....

|Also, do fetishes count toward focus addiction?

No. Fetishes aren't magical. They're more a psychological crutch....
(Fetish foci on the other hand......)
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Message no. 5
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:28:41 +0000
On 24 Jun 97 at 12:50, David Buehrer wrote:

> Drekhead wrote:
> |
> | Hey gang,
> | Is their a limit to the number of spells a mage can learn? I have
> | perused the books, but if it is in their, I missed it.
>
> Nope. No more than the limit of a number of skills a person can
> learn. The only limit is the ammount of karma the GM awards.

I didn't think so, but I had the player telling me that the limit was
50 Force Points worth. I didn't think that sounded right... oh, well,
I wonder where he read it...
I might just say, "Yea, yer right. Looks like you've maxed out."
<EGMG>

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Message no. 6
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:41:11 +0100
|I didn't think so, but I had the player telling me that the limit was
|50 Force Points worth. I didn't think that sounded right... oh, well,

50 force points is what you START with, in character creation, if you go for
top priority in Resources, and play an adept (with magic 2nd).

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Message no. 7
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:26:05 +0000
On 24 Jun 97 at 20:41, Spike wrote:

> 50 force points is what you START with, in character creation, if you go for
> top priority in Resources, and play an adept (with magic 2nd).

Yea, I know that Spike. But thanks anyway. :)
Besides, we use the point system in the Companion.
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Message no. 8
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:43:41 -0400
At 02:23 PM 6/24/97 +0000, Drekhead wrote these timeless words:
>Hey gang,
>Is their a limit to the number of spells a mage can learn? I have
>perused the books, but if it is in their, I missed it.
>Also, do fetishes count toward focus addiction?
>
yeah, it goes according to his Magic Level... he can only memorize a
certain number per day depending on his...

Oh wait, wrong game... Having flashbacks...:]

Umm, as far as I know, no... Especially since you burn karma to learn them...

Bull
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Message no. 9
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:43:51 -0400
At 03:28 PM 6/24/97 +0000, Drekhead wrote these timeless words:

>I didn't think so, but I had the player telling me that the limit was
>50 Force Points worth. I didn't think that sounded right... oh, well,
>I wonder where he read it...
>I might just say, "Yea, yer right. Looks like you've maxed out."
><EGMG>
>
hey, since Magic *WORKS* the way the magician thinks it does... if he
THINKS he can only learn 50 Force points worth of spells, then guess what?
that's all he can learn...

<BEGMLOL>

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Message no. 10
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:11:39 -0600
Spike wrote:
|
| |I didn't think so, but I had the player telling me that the limit was
| |50 Force Points worth. I didn't think that sounded right... oh, well,
|
| 50 force points is what you START with, in character creation, if you go for
| top priority in Resources, and play an adept (with magic 2nd).

Just for the record, only mages get force points.

-David
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Message no. 11
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:30:37 +0000
On 24 Jun 97 at 16:43, Bull wrote:

> >I might just say, "Yea, yer right. Looks like you've maxed out."
> ><EGMG>
> >
> hey, since Magic *WORKS* the way the magician thinks it does... if he
> THINKS he can only learn 50 Force points worth of spells, then guess what?
> that's all he can learn...
>
> <BEGMLOL>

Oh, man. The company of evil GM's. Ahhhh....
<warm and fuzzy feelings>

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Message no. 12
From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 17:46:34 EDT
On Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:11:39 -0600 David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
writes:
>Spike wrote:
>| 50 force points is what you START with, in character creation, if you
go for
>| top priority in Resources, and play an adept (with magic 2nd).
>
>Just for the record, only mages get force points.

<smile>
Then what do shamans use?

Surely, or should I say "David", you don't also suggest that a Sorcery
Adept doesn't get force points either?
</smile>

~Tim
Message no. 13
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 20:03:04 +0500
On 24 Jun 97 at 15:11, David Buehrer wrote:

> Spike wrote:
> |
> | |I didn't think so, but I had the player telling me that the limit was
> | |50 Force Points worth. I didn't think that sounded right... oh, well,
> |
> | 50 force points is what you START with, in character creation, if you go for
> | top priority in Resources, and play an adept (with magic 2nd).
>
> Just for the record, only mages get force points.

I think he is referring to a sorcerer adept. You can only get 50
Force Points (Priority A) if you choose an adept (Priority B), or if
you use the point system.

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Message no. 14
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:38:34 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-24 23:31:44 EDT, chaos@*****.COM (Bull) writes:

<< yeah, it goes according to his Magic Level... he can only memorize a
certain number per day depending on his...
Oh wait, wrong game... Having flashbacks...:]
Umm, as far as I know, no... Especially since you burn karma to learn
them...
Bull -- >>


Okay, I did find this...before the event of the Shadowrun Companion and
anyone using the Allergies Options in Second Edition...the maximum number of
spell points anyone could come up with was 50 points for resources "A" or
"1".

-Keith
Message no. 15
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 01:39:27 -0400
In a message dated 97-06-24 23:36:58 EDT, z-i-m@****.COM (Tim Cooper) writes:

<< Just for the record, only mages get force points.

<smile>
Then what do shamans use?

Surely, or should I say "David", you don't also suggest that a Sorcery
Adept doesn't get force points either?
</smile>

~Tim >>


DOH!!! Homer be proud...
Message no. 16
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:56:15 +1000
> Is their a limit to the number of spells a mage can learn? I have

Yes. How much Karma do you have? :)



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Message no. 17
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:00:28 +1000
> > Nope. No more than the limit of a number of skills a person can
> > learn. The only limit is the ammount of karma the GM awards.
>
> I didn't think so, but I had the player telling me that the limit was
> 50 Force Points worth. I didn't think that sounded right... oh, well,
> I wonder where he read it...

50 FP is the maximum a mage can *start* with (with Priority A resources)
unless you're using the Companion rules.

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 18
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:58:53 +0100
J. Keith Henry said on 1:38/25 Jun 97...

> Okay, I did find this...before the event of the Shadowrun Companion and
> anyone using the Allergies Options in Second Edition...the maximum number of
> spell points anyone could come up with was 50 points for resources "A" or
> "1".

That's during character creation; there are no limits once the character
has entered the game, except by the amount of Karma available to spend,
and of course the total number of spells available in the world :)

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Message no. 19
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:58:52 +0100
Drekhead said on 14:23/24 Jun 97...

> Is their a limit to the number of spells a mage can learn? I have
> perused the books, but if it is in their, I missed it.

The only limit is at character creation, since there you can't learn more
than your Force Points allow. Other than that, as long as you keep earning
Karma you can keep learning spells.

> Also, do fetishes count toward focus addiction?

No, as they don't have a rating in the sense the (other) foci do.

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Message no. 20
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:15:56 +0000
On 25 Jun 97 at 1:38, J. Keith Henry wrote:

> Okay, I did find this...before the event of the Shadowrun Companion and
> anyone using the Allergies Options in Second Edition...the maximum number of
> spell points anyone could come up with was 50 points for resources "A" or
> "1".

Thanks Keith, but as I mentioned I know there is a limit at character
creation. I was asking about during the game. I thought there wasn't,
and several others confirmed this.

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Message no. 21
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:26:06 +0000
On 25 Jun 97 at 17:56, Lady Jestyr wrote:

> > Is their a limit to the number of spells a mage can learn? I have
>
> Yes. How much Karma do you have? :)

Hehe. Thanks LadyJ. 'Tis true.

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Message no. 22
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:04:21 +0100
|
|Spike wrote:
||
|| |I didn't think so, but I had the player telling me that the limit was
|| |50 Force Points worth. I didn't think that sounded right... oh, well,
||
|| 50 force points is what you START with, in character creation, if you go for
|| top priority in Resources, and play an adept (with magic 2nd).
|
|Just for the record, only mages get force points.

Only mages can cast spells, so it was a perfectly accurate answer in
context.
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Message no. 23
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:06:12 +0100
|<smile>
|Then what do shamans use?
|
|Surely, or should I say "David", you don't also suggest that a Sorcery
|Adept doesn't get force points either?
|</smile>

I think he meant the more general term of Mage, as in, one who uses
magic....

I hope.....
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Message no. 24
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:18:15 +0100
|> Just for the record, only mages get force points.
|
|I think he is referring to a sorcerer adept. You can only get 50
|Force Points (Priority A) if you choose an adept (Priority B), or if
|you use the point system.

Or shamanic...
Or Elemental....

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Message no. 25
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:51:31 +0100
|
|J. Keith Henry said on 1:38/25 Jun 97...
|
|> Okay, I did find this...before the event of the Shadowrun Companion and
|> anyone using the Allergies Options in Second Edition...the maximum number of
|> spell points anyone could come up with was 50 points for resources "A" or
|> "1".
|
|That's during character creation; there are no limits once the character
|has entered the game, except by the amount of Karma available to spend,
|and of course the total number of spells available in the world :)

Nahhhh, that's not a limit!
You just.... Create a new spell.....

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Message no. 26
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Spell limits?
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:36:38 +0100
Spike said on 18:04/25 Jun 97...

> Only mages can cast spells, so it was a perfectly accurate answer in
> context.

You mean only _full_magicians_ can cast spells. In SR it pays to remember
there's a big difference between "mage" and "magician" even though 95%
of
the list doesn't make that difference most of the time. Also, SRII states
that everyone with a Magic Attribute is a magician, so that would include
adepts of all kinds.

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