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Message no. 1
From: Vincent.Pellerin@***.gmc.ulaval.ca (Vincent Pellerin)
Subject: Spell's and centering foci questions
Date: Fri, 3 May 96 01:34:54 ADT
[Lurking mode off]

Hi! I would like to know what you think about the following questions. For
the ones that remember me, I wen't into lurking mode for multiple reasons
(one was my connection) but I'm partially back.

--------Lets say someone has two spels quickened on him...----------

One force 1 (1 karma) armor spell
One force 9 (9 karma) increase reflexes 3 spell

Wich would be the most obvious...

a) The force 1
b) The force 9
c) none, they would be equally easy to see

The answer could take into account somes of the following

1-The higher the force of a spell, the more complex is the formula.
2-The astral examination table (SRII p.146) determine the difficulty of
gaining information
of a spell as the sorcery skill of the caster.
3-The spell would use is rating in astral combat (SRII p.148).
4-In the grimoire p.92, the rating of spells is used as bonus to find astral
intruder.

So, what's to be used to actually notice the spell, is it so automaticly
detected if you can see in astral (is there some mean to hide a spell?). Is
the easyness to notice it proportiannal to its force or is the inverse true.
I thought that the higher the force rating of a spell, the more subtil is
"weaving" was, but it represent its brute force also, so whats to choose.

--------In the awakening p.103 there is mention of the centering focus=
------

I would you class this focus for the cost (karma, ¥ and enchating
difficulty.), they convienently forgoted it (or i did'nt find it).
Power Focus, spell category focus, specific spell focus etc. ?


--------Where can i get Eudora on the web all I could find is Eudora Light
(no filter, etc..) at Qualcomm.---------------------------------------
(No need to put it on the list, non-Shadowrun related, but if someone=
knows...)


Thats all for today...

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Message no. 2
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: Spell's and centering foci questions
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:36:14 +0100
Vincent Pellerin said on 1:34/ 3 May 96...

> --------Where can i get Eudora on the web all I could find is Eudora Light
> (no filter, etc..) at Qualcomm.---------------------------------------
> (No need to put it on the list, non-Shadowrun related, but if someone knows...)

Try Pegasus, I like it a lot better than I ever did Eudora... I don't
quite know where it's to be found, but ftp somewhere in the order of
pmail.gen.nz might get you there.

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Message no. 3
From: mbroadwa@*******.glenayre.com (Mike Broadwater)
Subject: Re: Spell's and centering foci questions
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:45:54 -0500
> One force 1 (1 karma) armor spell
> One force 9 (9 karma) increase reflexes 3 spell
Actually, force is immaterial for the bonding of a quickened spell. Karma
is spent depending on the number of successes.

Mike Broadwater
http://www.olemiss.edu/~neon
"Madness takes it's toll. Please have exact change."
Message no. 4
From: "Randy Nickel (General)" <a-randyn@*********.com>
Subject: RE: Spell's and centering foci questions
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:19:18 -0700
So, what's to be used to actually notice the spell, is it so
automaticly
detected if you can see in astral (is there some mean to hide a
spell?). Is
the easyness to notice it proportiannal to its force or is the inverse
true.
I thought that the higher the force rating of a spell, the more subtil
is
"weaving" was, but it represent its brute force also, so whats to
choose.


As I run; Quickened spell are automatically noticed. I allow initiates
to Mask their grade in quickened spells. Ie an initiate 3 could Mask a
force three spell but then could not Mask anything other then himself.
Message no. 5
From: Vincent.Pellerin@***.gmc.ulaval.ca (Vincent Pellerin)
Subject: Re: Spell's and centering foci questions
Date: Fri, 3 May 96 15:58:18 ADT
Mike Broadwater wrote
>Actually, force is immaterial for the bonding of a quickened spell. Karma
>is spent depending on the number of successes.

Actually the number of succes as nothing to do with the karma...

"The maximum amount of karma that can be spent ti quicken a spell is equal
to twice the spell's actual force rating" GRII p.45

What I wan't to know is, can you hide a quickened spell (other than
by masking it), does its force help. Oh, yes, some thing that sparked the
question, In Awakenings (wards and foci p.101) the ward can attack the spell
but the inverse is not true. Does it means that the barrier does not notice
the ward? It would not appear so since the target number to notice the
discharge of energy, is lower when the force is greater (for the spell).
As a side question, would masking, cover a spell (or foci) when crossing a ward?

So many questions, so little rulebooks... :-)

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Message no. 6
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Spell's and centering foci questions
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:36:53 GMT
Vincent Pellerin writes

>
> "The maximum amount of karma that can be spent ti quicken a spell is equal
> to twice the spell's actual force rating" GRII p.45
>
minimum cost equals the spells force. note these will be base force
(i.e. without fetish exclusivity dice - those matter for spell effect
only)

> What I wan't to know is, can you hide a quickened spell (other than
> by masking it),
Not as far as i know.

> does its force help.
By spirt patrol rules the bigger the force the more obvious but as
astral examination is force dependant it must get harder to work out
the details the brighter the things get due to force.

> Oh, yes, some thing that sparked the
> question, In Awakenings (wards and foci p.101) the ward can attack the spell
> but the inverse is not true. Does it means that the barrier
you mean 'spell' not 'barrier' ?

> does not notice
> the ward? It would not appear so since the target number to notice the
> discharge of energy, is lower when the force is greater (for the spell).
yeah.

> As a side question, would masking, cover a spell (or foci) when
> crossing a ward?
I assume not though the books don't say.
If not this gets added to the 'detect magic' spell as methods for non
initiates to find folks using masking. Hey that guys got an active
magic item according to my detection spell, but i don't see it, um
masked, i wonder!
[ok so now i let another cat out of the bag :) ]

>
> So many questions, so little rulebooks... :-)
>
How rich do you want to make FASA :)

Mark

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