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Message no. 1
From: Stuart Marsh <sam10@***.AC.UK>
Subject: Spells Misc.
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:28:52 +0000
Well It was like this two of the runners jandering down an ally when four
ningas jump down two on either side. After twirling there weapons abit the mage
Yeah one of the runerers was a mage ( and with no directly damaging spells
either) Casts LEVITATE PERSON and one of these guys and sends him 40 meters
into the
air then 'opps oh my I've stoped sustaining the spell' and the ninga makes a
real impact on the pavement, SPLAT!!!
Now this spell seems to powerful as you can take Mr. troll Body 15
willpower 7 and Shot him say 80 meters nto the air then drop him for
instand troll pate, no I think he won't survive an 40D fall
Has any players or GM seen this use of the spell before, its deadly
1 cast, 1 dead.

Also a Racoon shaman in the party has quickened mind probe!!! I am not sure
how to handly this, or wether it should be allowed, he can jander down the
streats stripiing apart peoples minds has he walks.


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Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Spells Misc.
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 21:30:26 +0930
Stuart Marsh wrote:
>
> Also a Racoon shaman in the party has quickened mind probe!!! I am not sure
> how to handly this, or wether it should be allowed, he can jander down the
> streats stripiing apart peoples minds has he walks.

Uh, yeah... so he's constantly probing one guy's thoughts. Wow. (One target
per casting). Not to mention that Mind Probe is a very disorientating spell
(see the story at the front of the main book, "Plus ca change" (that is,
"The more things change...", I think)), so your 'Coon shaman will pretty
soon go stark raving mad.

As for the levitate spell... I thought it required a willing target? Not
sure, though...

--
Robert Watkins bob@**.ntu.edu.au
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Message no. 3
From: "Bracket <la7hfw@*****.ucc.hull.ac.uk>"
Subject: Re: Spells Misc.
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:24:34 +0100
Hi Stuart,

On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Stuart Marsh wrote:

> Well It was like this two of the runners jandering down an ally when four
> ningas jump down two on either side. After twirling there weapons abit the mage
> Yeah one of the runerers was a mage ( and with no directly damaging spells
> either) Casts LEVITATE PERSON and one of these guys and sends him 40 meters
> into the
> air then 'opps oh my I've stoped sustaining the spell' and the ninga makes a
> real impact on the pavement, SPLAT!!!
> Now this spell seems to powerful as you can take Mr. troll Body 15
> willpower 7 and Shot him say 80 meters nto the air then drop him for
> instand troll pate, no I think he won't survive an 40D fall
> Has any players or GM seen this use of the spell before, its deadly
> 1 cast, 1 dead.

This spell is a favourite of many groups - and I've a feeling I remember
someone mentioning weight in the spell [rulebook is too far away for me
to check - can't remember official ruling or house rule here].

It raises the issue of falling damage - which does seem silly, IMV. I
seem to remember reading that damage from a fall is (number of metres
fallen) D. Which is LUDICROUS! An average human has a body of 3 - so a
fall of 1 metre will on average seriously wound him! A fall of 2 or 3
metres would do similar damage, and farther than that..... deadly!

Is it me, or is this excessive? A 1 metre fall will NOT hurt your average
person!

> Also a Racoon shaman in the party has quickened mind probe!!! I am not sure
> how to handly this, or wether it should be allowed, he can jander down the
> streats stripiing apart peoples minds has he walks.

Wouldn't that just keep the shaman permanently in the same target's head?

ttfn,
Bracket.

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Message no. 4
From: Tim Serpas <wretch@**.COM>
Subject: Re: Spells Misc.
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:42:16 -0600
On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Stuart Marsh wrote:
> either) Casts LEVITATE PERSON and one of these guys and sends him
> 40 meters into the
> air then 'opps oh my I've stoped sustaining the spell' and the ninga makes a
> real impact on the pavement, SPLAT!!!

Seen it happen! Took out the first guy, but his buddy wasn't going to let
it happen to him, so he shot a concussion grenade into the van the Racoon
Adept was casting from; whoops! Chunky Salsa Effect :-)

>
> Also a Racoon shaman in the party has quickened mind probe!!! I am not sure
> how to handly this, or wether it should be allowed, he can jander down the
> streats stripiing apart peoples minds has he walks.
>

If someone did this, I'd figure they had quickened the spell while they were
casting it: on one particluar person. Thus, they'd receive constant updates
on the poor soul's life. You'd need to recast it for every separate victim.


Tim Serpas,
II Dan, Taekwon-do
BS, Physics
geek:

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Message no. 5
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Spells Misc.
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:53:48 +1000
Robert Watkins writes:

> Uh, yeah... so he's constantly probing one guy's thoughts. Wow. (One target
> per casting).

Only if he is touching the target. The moment he breaks physical contact
with the target of the spell, the spell ceases to function. Bad luck about
the karma he invested in quickening it.

> As for the levitate spell... I thought it required a willing target? Not
> sure, though...

It doesn't actually say. Although in the general description under
Manipulation Spells, on pg 156 it says that a manipulation spell which
effects characters contrary to their wishes may be resisted with Willpower.
But then in the Grimything it says that a physical manipulation spell which
forces a change in shape, form of behaviour must be resisted with Body (pg
121). Looking at the spell construction and design rules, I can't work out
how the spell is designed. But, taking a look at the drain of Levitate Item,
and comparing it to Levitate Person, we see that the drain for the variant
affecting people is one category higher (an M while Levitate Item is an L),
otherwsie the drain modifiers must be the same. Now, as chance may have it,
this difference is exacly the same as the "Voluntary Target Required"
modifier. So if Items count as "voluntary", then the People version must be
designed with involuntary targets in mind. But do inanimate items count as
"voluntary" targets? I would have said not myself. But I can't seem to piece
the spell design together, by my reckoning it should be [(F/2) +2]something,
so I don't know how FASA worked it out (maybe they just pulled a number out
of their anterior orifice).

Not that any of my rambling solves the question as to if the spell is
voluntary or not. Anyone else know? Is there a ruling from the DLoH floating
around someplace?

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong E-mail: adm82@***.edu.au

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Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Spells Misc.
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:55:04 +0100
>LEVITATE PERSON
> Has any players or GM seen this use of the spell before, its deadly
>1 cast, 1 dead.

Our shaman did it with a car as well as with a troll (on two separate
occassions, mind you :) ...

>Also a Racoon shaman in the party has quickened mind probe!!! I am not sure
>how to handly this, or wether it should be allowed, he can jander down the
>streats stripiing apart peoples minds has he walks.

I wouldn't allow it. I would rule he'd have to recast it for everyone he
wants to probe, so if he quickens it he can only probe on specific person's
mind.


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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Spells Misc.
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 19:43:33 +0100
>Not that any of my rambling solves the question as to if the spell is
>voluntary or not. Anyone else know? Is there a ruling from the DLoH floating
>around someplace?

The way I understood Mind Probe is that it is _not_ a voluntary-target
spell. The Grimthingy gives the mechanics behind it, and there is no mention
of Voluntary Subject Required.


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B? e+ u+@ h! f--(?) !r(--)(*) n---->!n y?
Message no. 8
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Spells Misc.
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:47:14 +1000
Gurth writes:

> >Not that any of my rambling solves the question as to if the spell is
> >voluntary or not. Anyone else know? Is there a ruling from the DLoH floating
> >around someplace?
>
> The way I understood Mind Probe is that it is _not_ a voluntary-target
> spell. The Grimthingy gives the mechanics behind it, and there is no mention
> of Voluntary Subject Required.

Um, the 'rambling' was in regard to Levitate Person. Mind Probe is most
certainly _not_ voluntary, and has a little [R] on its target number to
indicate this. It also mentions that the victim undergoes a ather unsettling
and painful experience during a mindprobe - not meny people'd volunteer for
that.

--
Damion Milliken University of Wollongong E-mail: adm82@***.edu.au

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