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Message no. 1
From: Thomas FaÃźnacht <Arkane@***********.NET>
Subject: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:47:39 +0200
Is there any source book or web-site with a sperethiel Dictionary?

Arkane
Message no. 2
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:04:53 -0500
>Is there any source book or web-site with a sperethiel Dictionary?

Dunno about a web site, but to the best of my knowledge we've not been shown
very much Sperethiel, certainly not enough to make a dictionary. There are
some tidbits in TIR TAIRNGIRE, and there might be a few more in TIR NA NOG
(which I really need to sit down and read one of these days).

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Message no. 3
From: Thomas FaÃźnacht <Arkane@***********.NET>
Subject: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:33:59 +0200
Is there any source book or web-site with a Sperethiel dictionary ?
Message no. 4
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:44:50 -0500
>Is there any source book or web-site with a Sperethiel dictionary ?

Didn't you just ask this half an hour ago?
Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:55:59 +0100
And verily, did Patrick Goodman hastily scribble thusly...
|
|>Is there any source book or web-site with a Sperethiel dictionary ?
|
|Didn't you just ask this half an hour ago?
|

Yup. He did.
Maybe he isn't aware of the shadowrn settings, and has norepro set?
Or maybe it's a duplicate mail from a screwey mailserver?

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Message no. 6
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:00:08 -0500
>|>Is there any source book or web-site with a Sperethiel dictionary ?
>|
>|Didn't you just ask this half an hour ago?
>
>Yup. He did.

So I'm not going completely mad. This is a bonus.

>Maybe he isn't aware of the shadowrn settings, and has norepro set?

Possible, but considering he got at least one reply to his original post (I
posted it), I think he'd have seen something in time to have avoided a
response.

>Or maybe it's a duplicate mail from a screwey mailserver?

I thought that at first, too, but one's signed "Arkane," and the other
isn't.

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Message no. 7
From: David Goth <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:22:36 -0500
> So I'm not going completely mad. This is a bonus.
>

Ah, c'mon, Madness is fun! (I recommend "The House of Fun" much more than
the better known "Our House".)


<-Much OT blah blah snipped->

The helpful answer may be to check out Earthdawn. Not exactly an online
reference, but it's a start.

-Dave-
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Message no. 8
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:42:36 -0500
>> So I'm not going completely mad. This is a bonus.
>
>Ah, c'mon, Madness is fun! (I recommend "The House of Fun" much
>more than the better known "Our House".)

Madness doesn't do it for me; matter of fact, having heard the bulk of their
output (I had a strange roomie in the Air Farce), I can honestly tell you
that the only song they've done that I liked was the aforementioned "Our
House." YMMV, of course.

>The helpful answer may be to check out Earthdawn. Not exactly an
>online reference, but it's a start.

Unless, of course, you're part of the camp that wants to disavow Earthdawn
as part of the Shadowrun universe. While I like the notion that this has
all happened before, and will happen again, I'm not too keen on ED.

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Message no. 9
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:14:02 -0500
# >The helpful answer may be to check out Earthdawn. Not exactly an
# >online reference, but it's a start.
#
# Unless, of course, you're part of the camp that wants to disavow Earthdawn
# as part of the Shadowrun universe. While I like the notion that this has
# all happened before, and will happen again, I'm not too keen on ED.

I could have sworn they have OFFICIALLY stated that it is
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Message no. 10
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:18:50 -0500
># Unless, of course, you're part of the camp that wants to disavow
># Earthdawn as part of the Shadowrun universe. While I like the
># notion that this has all happened before, and will happen again,
># I'm not too keen on ED.
>
>I could have sworn they have OFFICIALLY stated that it is

So? Doesn't mean I have to accept it, or use it as the history in my game.
I'm inclined to agree with something I think I read Mike Mulvihill saying,
about the ED/SR linkage being hastily added on. He didn't like it, but he's
stuck with it. I don't like it either, and I'm not stuck with it, so....

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Message no. 11
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:25:54 +0100
Thomas Faßnacht said on 22:33/2 Aug 98,...

> Is there any source book or web-site with a Sperethiel dictionary ?

The Tir Tairngire sourcebook has a short list of words and phrases
(about one page, IIRC), and so does the Earthdawn book
Denizens of Earthdawn volume 1. I'm not sure how much the two
overlap, though.

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Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:25:54 +0100
Patrick Goodman said on 21:18/2 Aug 98,...

> So? Doesn't mean I have to accept it, or use it as the history in my game.
> I'm inclined to agree with something I think I read Mike Mulvihill saying,
> about the ED/SR linkage being hastily added on.

When this comes up, about half the time you'll hear people say it
was added at the last moment, and the other half that it was
planned from the start. Wouldn't it be nice if FASA could be more
specific IRL than in their sourcebooks? :)

> He didn't like it, but he's
> stuck with it. I don't like it either, and I'm not stuck with it,
so....

Mike's not stuck with it anymore either, I think...

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Message no. 13
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:22:07 +0100
And verily, did Justin Bell hastily scribble thusly...
|
|# >The helpful answer may be to check out Earthdawn. Not exactly an
|# >online reference, but it's a start.
|#
|# Unless, of course, you're part of the camp that wants to disavow Earthdawn
|# as part of the Shadowrun universe. While I like the notion that this has
|# all happened before, and will happen again, I'm not too keen on ED.
|
|I could have sworn they have OFFICIALLY stated that it is

They have. Several times.
And even if they hadn't the connectrions are pretty clear and obvious.
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Message no. 14
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:24:46 +0100
And verily, did Patrick Goodman hastily scribble thusly...
|>I could have sworn they have OFFICIALLY stated that it is
|
|So? Doesn't mean I have to accept it, or use it as the history in my game.
|I'm inclined to agree with something I think I read Mike Mulvihill saying,
|about the ED/SR linkage being hastily added on. He didn't like it, but he's
|stuck with it. I don't like it either, and I'm not stuck with it, so....

Well, there's no stopping you from using the good and discarding the bad is
there?

If you want a sperethial dictionary, and there's one in Earthdawn, then why
not just use that and discard the rest?

(I'm sure you could gbet a photocopy of the relevant pages from somewhere.
[He said, naughtily])

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Message no. 15
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:19:14 -0400
On 2 Aug 98, at 20:42, Patrick Goodman wrote:

> Unless, of course, you're part of the camp that wants to disavow Earthdawn
> as part of the Shadowrun universe. While I like the notion that this has
> all happened before, and will happen again, I'm not too keen on ED.

AMEN!
Welcome, brother!

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Message no. 16
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:12:42 -0500
>Well, there's no stopping you from using the good and discarding the
>bad is there?

Well, no, but after more than a couple of decades of playing RPGs, I've
grown a bit tired of straight fantasy games. Personal preference issues,
don't you know?

>If you want a sperethial dictionary, and there's one in Earthdawn, then
>why not just use that and discard the rest?

WHere on earth did you get the notion that *I* wanted a Sperethiel
dictionary? Few things could be further from the truth.

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Message no. 17
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:18:25 -0500
>> I'm inclined to agree with something I think I read Mike Mulvihill
>> saying, about the ED/SR linkage being hastily added on.
>
>When this comes up, about half the time you'll hear people say it
>was added at the last moment, and the other half that it was
>planned from the start.

I've heard both sides of the argument; from what I've been able to see (and
please note that I've not played Earthdawn, just watched a game or two and
casually scanned the rules and one of the sourcebooks), I'm inclined to
agree with the former view.

>Wouldn't it be nice if FASA could be more specific IRL than in
>their sourcebooks? :)

Where would be the fun in that...? <g>

>> He didn't like it, but he's stuck with
>> it. I don't like it either, and I'm not stuck with it, so....
>
>Mike's not stuck with it anymore either, I think...

He does appear to be going to some lengths to get away from that particular
aspect, yes. I doubt I'll ever use CYBERPIRATES for anything, but I'm sure
glad to see some expansion in the ways you can use the system.

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Message no. 18
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:21:23 +0100
And verily, did Patrick Goodman hastily scribble thusly...
|WHere on earth did you get the notion that *I* wanted a Sperethiel
|dictionary? Few things could be further from the truth.

Well whoever it was who made the original post then!
I don't know who it was....

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Message no. 19
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:41:46 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-03 07:22:27 EDT, you write:

<snip ED\SR same world, different ages>

> |I could have sworn they have OFFICIALLY stated that it is
>
> They have. Several times.
> And even if they hadn't the connectrions are pretty clear and obvious.

It was obvious enough that my brother, his friend and I all got it within 20
minutes of flipping through the ED main book.

Nexx
Message no. 20
From: David Goth <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:43:25 -0500
> ># Unless, of course, you're part of the camp that wants to disavow
> ># Earthdawn as part of the Shadowrun universe. While I like the
> ># notion that this has all happened before, and will happen again,
> ># I'm not too keen on ED.
> >
> >I could have sworn they have OFFICIALLY stated that it is
>
> So? Doesn't mean I have to accept it, or use it as the history
> in my game.
> I'm inclined to agree with something I think I read Mike Mulvihill saying,
> about the ED/SR linkage being hastily added on. He didn't like
> it, but he's
> stuck with it. I don't like it either, and I'm not stuck with it, so....

It doesn't really matter either way when it comes down to it. Simply put,
you cannot read the main ED rulebook and not get the impression that there
is a link (if not an outright chain!) to SR. Also simply put, you cannot
read either 'version' of Sperethiel and not assume they are one and the
same. (Of course, your version of SR and ED may say otherwise, and that's
certainly your perogative. I'll not try to stop you! :) )

Again, to answer the original question, these sources are probably your best
first place to look. And, I don't believe there are any online references
for Sperethiel.

-Dave-
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Message no. 21
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:27:50 +0100
Patrick Goodman said on 9:18/3 Aug 98,...

> >When this comes up, about half the time you'll hear people say it
> >was added at the last moment, and the other half that it was
> >planned from the start.
>
> I've heard both sides of the argument; from what I've been able to see (and
> please note that I've not played Earthdawn, just watched a game or two and
> casually scanned the rules and one of the sourcebooks), I'm inclined to
> agree with the former view.

More or less the opposite of my first impression (gotten from one
of the first three ED flyers from 1993). I thought it appeared to
be closely linked to SR from the outset. Buying a fair number of
the books for the system later made it appear even more like that
to me.

> >Mike's not stuck with it anymore either, I think...
>
> He does appear to be going to some lengths to get away from that particular
> aspect, yes. I doubt I'll ever use CYBERPIRATES for anything, but I'm sure
> glad to see some expansion in the ways you can use the system.

Me too, but OTOH I feel Mike is steering SR away too far from
what SR was until he took over... No, I don't mean the whole IE
plot (which I like, provided it's not overdone) but if you ask me
SR is about shadowrunners doing shadowruns for whatever
personal reasons they have. My impression of Mike's view is that
it's about everything but shadowrunners (see Companion,
Underworld, Cyberpirates), and that shadowrunners should do the
Right Thing(tm). But let's not turn this into a rant :)

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Message no. 22
From: Lehlan Decker <DeckerL@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary -Reply
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:41:56 -0400
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>>> Gurth <gurth@******.NL> 08/03/98 03:27pm >>>

<SNIP>
>Me too, but OTOH I feel Mike is steering SR away too far from
>what SR was until he took over... No, I don't mean the whole IE
>plot (which I like, provided it's not overdone) but if you ask me
>SR is about shadowrunners doing shadowruns for whatever
>personal reasons they have. My impression of Mike's view is
>that it's about everything but shadowrunners (see Companion,
>Underworld, Cyberpirates), and that shadowrunners should do
>the Right Thing(tm). But let's not turn this into a rant :)

I'll work with you somewhat on this, but I see it a bit differently.
I feel like Mike is trying to cover the basis. You may not ever
play a pirate SR campaign, but you certaintly may have to deal
with them, pick up gear, etc. You may never deal with the mob,
but an awful lot of illegal gear/info flows through there.
To me the books provide more options for me the GM.
Hopefully SR3 will get back to the core ideas
a bit more however. :) Most runners (IMHO) aren't white
knights, and may only be in it for the money. But you'd
hope we all aren't. :)
Message no. 23
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary -Reply
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:01:07 EDT
In a message dated 8/3/98 11:40:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
DeckerL@******.COM writes:

> >Me too, but OTOH I feel Mike is steering SR away too far from
> >what SR was until he took over...

<snip>
> I'll work with you somewhat on this, but I see it a bit differently.
> I feel like Mike is trying to cover the basis.
<snip>
> Hopefully SR3 will get back to the core ideas
> a bit more however. :) Most runners (IMHO) aren't white
> knights, and may only be in it for the money. But you'd
> hope we all aren't. :)
>
There is also the fact that they dropped the Neo-A's, which seemed to be one
of the more altruistic groups of 1st Ed.
Message no. 24
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:02:05 -0500
>> ...from what I've been able to see (and please note that I've not
>> played Earthdawn, just watched a game or two and casually scanned
>> the rules and one of the sourcebooks), I'm inclined to agree with
>> the former view.
>
>More or less the opposite of my first impression (gotten from one
>of the first three ED flyers from 1993). I thought it appeared to
>be closely linked to SR from the outset.

If words truer than "You're mileage may vary" have been spoken, it's hard
for me to think of what they might be.

Part of it could be prejudice on my part, too; my exposure to Earthdawn has
basically not been all that remarkable; I don't think it's all that a whole
bunch of people are cracking it up to be. I don't think it's worth my time
and effort to get involved with it any further than I already have, and I
don't think it's at all necessary.

>> He does appear to be going to some lengths to get away from that
>> particular aspect, yes. I doubt I'll ever use CYBERPIRATES for
>> anything, but I'm sure glad to see some expansion in the ways you
>> can use the system.
>
>Me too, but OTOH I feel Mike is steering SR away too far from
>what SR was until he took over...

This might sound like a complete reversal of what I've said previously, but
I tend to agree with you a little here. I think it's just a case of
overcompensating; give it a little time and I think we'll start to see it
getting back to normal. More or less.

>No, I don't mean the whole IE plot (which I like, provided it's not
>overdone) but if you ask me SR is about shadowrunners doing shadowruns
>for whatever personal reasons they have.

Agreed, up to and including immortal elves (which are present in my game;
they don't have anything to do with what the characters are doing, but
they're there).

>My impression of Mike's view is that it's about everything but
>shadowrunners (see Companion, Underworld, Cyberpirates), and that
>shadowrunners should do the Right Thing(tm).

I tend to agree, up to a point, but I still think it's a good thing to show
what all can be done within the game system. I like UNDERWORLD, for
instance, not so much because I want my players to be able to run Mafiosi,
but because it gives me insight into an element of the shadowrunner's world
that the runners are going to run into one of these days, sooner than later.

I like CYBERPIRATES because I've always had a soft spot in my heart for
CAPTAIN BLOOD. I love those old Errol Flynn pictures....

All in all, though, it doesn't matter what Mulvihill thinks; it's what we,
as GMs and player, think that counts.

>But let's not turn this into a rant :)

But you were doing so well there for a minute....

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Message no. 25
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:09:04 EDT
In a message dated 8/3/98 6:04:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, remo@***.NET
writes:

> >More or less the opposite of my first impression (gotten from one
> >of the first three ED flyers from 1993). I thought it appeared to
> >be closely linked to SR from the outset.
Compounded by the reference to Earthdawn : the Scourge in the adventure Dark
Angel, which IIRC was before the debut of ED.

Myself I like ED, I do however like the link more on the ED side (seeing
references to SR IEs and dragons in ED) than I do seeing them in SR. Go
figure. :-)
Message no. 26
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:02:22 +0100
Michael vanHulst said on 22:09/3 Aug 98,...

> > >More or less the opposite of my first impression (gotten from one
> > >of the first three ED flyers from 1993). I thought it appeared to
> > >be closely linked to SR from the outset.
> Compounded by the reference to Earthdawn : the Scourge in the adventure Dark
> Angel, which IIRC was before the debut of ED.

And one of the newspaper articles in A Killing Glare, which was
written by a certain Louis J. Prosperi.

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Message no. 27
From: Trunks <trunks@********.ORG>
Subject: Sperethiel Dictionary?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:26:59 -0500
I was just curious if there is some definitive source for Sperethiel? Like
the Klingon dictionary of sorts? :) It'd be mighty useful, if anyone could
figure the language out. :)

James
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Message no. 28
From: Logan Graves <logan1@*****.INTERCOM.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:06:22 -0500
In our last episode, Trunks wrote:
>
> I was just curious if there is some definitive source for Sperethiel?
> Like the Klingon dictionary of sorts? :) It'd be mighty useful, if
> anyone could figure the language out. :)

Unfortunately, the only published Sperethiel collection is the few scant
words of Sperethiel in Tir Tairngire, pg 67. Other than that, you'll
only catch a few choice words in some of the SR Sourcebooks & novels,
such as the beginning of the "Tailchaser" story in "Into the Shadows."

(With apologies to DVixen...) some have suggested using one of the
ancient Gaelic dialects as a substitute for "true" Sperethiel.
Although these languages probably can NOT really trace their roots to
the 5000-year old(?) elven language, they could arguably be said to have
the closest sound & feel to it (very difficult for the modern Western
tongue to wrap around!)

--Fenris
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Message no. 29
From: Theo Karmdeth <theo@*****.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 02:33:33 GMT
On Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:06:22 -0500, you wrote:
>(With apologies to DVixen...) some have suggested using one of the
>ancient Gaelic dialects as a substitute for "true" Sperethiel.
>Although these languages probably can NOT really trace their roots to
>the 5000-year old(?) elven language, they could arguably be said to have
>the closest sound & feel to it (very difficult for the modern Western
>tongue to wrap around!)
>
> --Fenris

Good idea. And for those of you with any sort of University access,
the Language Dept. (AFAIK) allow people NOT even studying laguages to
use the resources. I was studying Comp Eng. at our uni, and went to
the Language Dept. and they had the Irish/Gaelic tapes and books, and
all i had to do was sign for them when i wanted to use them.

But be prepared! If this is your first second language, its hard. I
was doing the course with a mate with 8 languages. He did the course
and was all but fluent in about a 2 months. It took me that long to
count to 20 :>

Gaelic does follow the same basic sentence structure unlike some other
languages, so its not incredibly difficult. As for gaming, its good
to be able to talk in another language, and not have some of the
players needed to leave the room. The smirks, laughs and effects that
come from playing it out, are fun.
However, it is hard to have people get to their language skill level,
and or stop at that level.

As Fenris said, wrapping your tongue around the words can be a bit
difficult, but if you can handle a slight battering to your self
esteem (people will laugh at you while you practice :), its a good
idea!

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Message no. 30
From: Scott Harrison <Scott_Harrison@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:39:51 -0500
Trunks <trunks@********.ORG> made my mailer see:
-> I was just curious if there is some definitive source for Sperethiel? =
Like
-> the Klingon dictionary of sorts? :) It'd be mighty useful, if anyone =
could
-> figure the language out. :)
->
-> James
-> trunks@********.org
->
-> Life isn't a bitch. Life is a virgin. A bitch is easy.
->
-> "Every problem is a personal problem. No person, no problem."
-> - Joseph Stalin

Now if we only used Tolkien's Elvish languages for Sperethiel we would =
have
a large population that speaks it and the possibility for classes. We can
always do what he did (take Welsh and Finnish grammars with different
vocabularies) and modify a known grammar and create a vocabulary to create
Sperethiel. Creating a language from scratch is a pain in the butt (I =
know
as I have been in the process of doing so for about 15 years now).

--Scott
Message no. 31
From: Wordman <wordman@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 21:53:48 -0500
> I was just curious if there is some definitive source for Sperethiel? Like
> the Klingon dictionary of sorts? :) It'd be mighty useful, if anyone could
> figure the language out. :)

This was at one time in the books section of the ShadowFAQ. I'm not sure if
that section still exists:

The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth, by Ruth S. Noel. ISBN:
0-395-29130-5

Wordman
Message no. 32
From: "XaOs [David Goth]" <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:26:46 -0600
> Now if we only used Tolkien's Elvish languages for Sperethiel we
> would have
> a large population that speaks it and the possibility for classes. We can
> always do what he did (take Welsh and Finnish grammars with different
> vocabularies) and modify a known grammar and create a vocabulary to create
> Sperethiel. Creating a language from scratch is a pain in the
> butt (I know
> as I have been in the process of doing so for about 15 years now).

And if you're interested in the subject even more, here's a few links:

Constructed Human Languages:
http://www.quetzal.com/conlang.html

Open Directory (formerly Newhoo) entry on Invented Languages:
http://directory.mozilla.org/Games/Role-Playing_Games/World_Building/Invente
d_Languages/



-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
-David Goth-
Message no. 33
From: Wyrmy <elfman@******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary?
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:59:31 -0600
> (very difficult for the modern Western
> tongue to wrap around!)

He's not,pardon the term, Shittin us. I had a friend who knew some
Gaelic. he tried to teach me to say hello, and for about an hour I
wrestled with it before finaly giving up on it. It is some hard shit for
a texan like me.
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Message no. 34
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:04:55 +0100
According to Trunks, at 18:26 on 17 Jan 99, the word on
the street was...

> I was just curious if there is some definitive source for Sperethiel? Like
> the Klingon dictionary of sorts? :) It'd be mighty useful, if anyone could
> figure the language out. :)

There are two lists of Sperethiel in FASA books: one in Tir Tairngire and
one in Denizens of Earthdawn Volume 1; there's a big overlap between the
two, though, and both are only about a page long -- not a comprehensive
source at all, but enough to let your character speak a few words.

If you really want to go to town with it, perhaps you should look at
Tolkien's elven languages.

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Message no. 35
From: TillK <Till_Kortuem@******.UNI-HAMBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Sperethiel Dictionary?
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 12:03:03 +0100
At 18:26 17.01.99 -0500, Trunks wrote:
>I was just curious if there is some definitive source for Sperethiel? Like
>the Klingon dictionary of sorts? :) It'd be mighty useful, if anyone could
>figure the language out. :)

There is a Sperethiel glossary in "Denizens of Earthdawn Volume One", but
it is only one page long and thus contains only the most standard
sperethiel words and phrases (just enough to help a player making his
character seem more elven by mixing in a few strange words sometimes)


-- TillK ]B-]
Message no. 36
From: Jim DiCamillo darien_7seas@*****.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
Has anyone made or seen a dictionary for sperethiel? I
got an urge to write music in
the language. I remember someone posting about writing
SR music before, and now
want to give it a try, even though I'll need to learn
how to write music from scratch
and find some sort of synthesizer or something to hear
what it sounds like.

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Message no. 37
From: Hahns Shin Hahns_Shin@*******.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 14:50:25 -0500
Unfortunately, unlike Klingon in Star Trek, Sperethiel is not
well-documented. FASA has made up about 50 or so words that I know of,
speaking from just the novels and sourcebooks. If anyone has any clue as to
the source of Sperethiel or if anyone knows of where we can find more words,
it would be appreciated for all those elf lovers out there.

Here are some words (just off of going back through a couple of novels):
goronagee: non-elf, usually a derisive term
sersakhan: friend
sielle: thank you
Tesetilaro: Son of the Dragon, title given to Talon by Silverblade in
"Ragnarock"

Hahns
Message no. 38
From: Colin colin@******.demon.co.uk
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:13:41 +0100
Wasn't Sperethiel first created in some other game system?

For some strange, unfathomable, reason: Hahns Shin
<Hahns_Shin@*******.com> just wrote:
>Unfortunately, unlike Klingon in Star Trek, Sperethiel is not
>well-documented. FASA has made up about 50 or so words that I know of,
>speaking from just the novels and sourcebooks. If anyone has any clue as to
>the source of Sperethiel or if anyone knows of where we can find more words,
>it would be appreciated for all those elf lovers out there.
>
>Here are some words (just off of going back through a couple of novels):
>goronagee: non-elf, usually a derisive term
>sersakhan: friend
>sielle: thank you
>Tesetilaro: Son of the Dragon, title given to Talon by Silverblade in
>"Ragnarock"
>
>Hahns
>
>

--
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Message no. 39
From: Achille Autran aautran@*************.fr
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 02:17:10 +0200
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim DiCamillo <darien_7seas@*****.com>

> Has anyone made or seen a dictionary for sperethiel? I
> got an urge to write music in
> the language.

Not an original idea, and this post will probably be late, but it works
quite well: use Tolkien's high elves language, the Quenya. You can find
plenty of fonts and documentation on the web, there's in France a
"Dictionnaire des langues elfiques" which includes writing (fun),
grammar (tough !) and a Quenya-French/English dictionnary. An awesome
work made by linguists, btw. Mail me if you want the ISBN#.
There are a few words at the end of the Tir Tairngire sourcebook, too
short to be of any use. I don't know about individual attempts on the
subject, though. Tolkien's work is quite sufficient to add a little
elven salt to a game.

> I remember someone posting about writing
> SR music before, and now
> want to give it a try, even though I'll need to learn
> how to write music from scratch
> and find some sort of synthesizer or something to hear
> what it sounds like.
> --
> NaCl(aq)

Wow, good luck if it's your first attempt at composing ! But unless you
are lucky enough to possess solid theoretical basis, you will probably
find it easier to compose directly on an instrument (piano/MIDI keyboard
is the easiest). SR-related, in my current game one PC is a Tir-na-nOg
bard, and even if both the player and me practice music, we haven't
dared to compose actual Tir music - we discussed about tracks structure
and feeling but considered harmonical content to be WAY beyond our
abilities (I won't question someone with a compostion skill of 7 :)).

Good luck though, and keep us informed of your progresses !

P.S.:
Elen sila lumenn omentielvo /
/ a star shine on the hour of our meeting.
Just a sample to give the flavor...
Message no. 40
From: Hunter griffinhq@****.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:14:46 -0400
On Sun, 28 May 2000 21:13:41 +0100 Colin <colin@******.demon.co.uk>
writes:
> Wasn't Sperethiel first created in some other game system?
>
Sperethiel was first created by Tolkeen.

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Message no. 41
From: . s t e f a n stefan@*****.org
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 02:33:33 +0200
>Unfortunately, unlike Klingon in Star Trek, Sperethiel is not
>well-documented. FASA has made up about 50 or so words that I know of,
>speaking from just the novels and sourcebooks. If anyone has any clue as to
>the source of Sperethiel or if anyone knows of where we can find more words,
>it would be appreciated for all those elf lovers out there.

There are quite a few books about speaking klingon, not so many in writing
so I guess it has been somewhat better documented.

.stefan


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Message no. 42
From: Josh Harrison mataxes@****.net
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:09:15 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Hunter <griffinhq@****.com>
> > Wasn't Sperethiel first created in some other game system?
> >
> Sperethiel was first created by Tolkeen.

As far as I've always been able to determine, Sperethiel is not the same
language developed by Professor Tolkien in "Lord of the Rings" (a language
called "Quenya"). I went and double-checked in my copy of "Return of the
King" (which has language notes in the appendix) to make sure, and my
suspicions were confirmed. There are some similarities between the two
languages, but not that many.

Sperethiel was created for Shadowrun (again, as far as I can tell). FASA
used it for Earthdawn, which may be the "other game" referred to. (More
vocabulary for Sperethiel can be found in some ED sourcebooks -- especially
"Denizens of Earthdawn Vol. 1" which describes the elves.)

Of course, if anybody has evidence to the contrary, I wouldn't mind seeing
it.

-- Josh
Message no. 43
From: Ahrain Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:53:54 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: Hunter <griffinhq@****.com>
Subject: Re: sperethiel dictionary?


>
>
> On Sun, 28 May 2000 21:13:41 +0100 Colin <colin@******.demon.co.uk>
> writes:
> > Wasn't Sperethiel first created in some other game system?
> >
> Sperethiel was first created by Tolkeen.
>

Not exactly the same thing. Though there is a Tolkeen dictionary with a
grammatical breakdown Quenya (one of Tolkeen's elven languages).
It also has an Elven-English/English-Elven dictionary and how to correctly
conjugate verbs in the lang. Great book, but unfortunately it's OOP and my
copy is currently with my wife at the in-laws.

If anyone is interested, I can possibly find the ISBN # so you can see if
there is anyplace still carrying it.

Ahrain
Message no. 44
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:36:08 +0200
According to Jim DiCamillo, at 11:47 on 28 May 00, the word on the street
was...

> Has anyone made or seen a dictionary for sperethiel?

There's a short list of words in the Tir Tairngire sourcebook, and if you
accept ED as SR material as well, you can also use the Sperethiel word
list in Denizens of Earthdawn volume 1. All in all, that'll give you
slightly more words than you need to make a dance "song" :)

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Message no. 45
From: acjpenn@******.com acjpenn@******.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:31:37 -0500
*snip gobble*

> Though there is a Tolkeen dictionary with a
> grammatical breakdown Quenya (one of Tolkeen's elven languages).
> It also has an Elven-English/English-Elven dictionary and how to
correctly
> conjugate verbs in the lang. Great book, but unfortunately it's OOP and
my
> copy is currently with my wife at the in-laws.
>
> If anyone is interested, I can possibly find the ISBN # so you can see if
> there is anyplace still carrying it.


The book I have is "The Languages of Middle Earth" by Ruth S. Noel.. far
from OOP, I picked mine up recently at a bookshop here in St. Louis.. (one
of those artsy places with the coffe shop..)

It's a smaller book, red cover, ISBN 0-395-29130-5

Maybe not the same, hope it helps.. has Elven (Or Elvish, I hate that) and
Dwarven and other Tolkeen-esque tounges.

Tig da Pig

No sig, not yet
Message no. 46
From: Andrew Murdoch toreador@***.bc.ca
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:23:17 -0700 (PDT)
- Hahns Shin <14:50/28-May-2000>

I can't speak for the Sperethial used in the novels, but a lot of the
SPerethial that has appeared in the sourcebooks over the years is from
various forms of Gaelic, completely unadulterated.

> Unfortunately, unlike Klingon in Star Trek, Sperethiel is not
> well-documented. FASA has made up about 50 or so words that I know of,
> speaking from just the novels and sourcebooks. If anyone has any clue as to
> the source of Sperethiel or if anyone knows of where we can find more words,
> it would be appreciated for all those elf lovers out there.
>
> Here are some words (just off of going back through a couple of novels):
> goronagee: non-elf, usually a derisive term
> sersakhan: friend
> sielle: thank you
> Tesetilaro: Son of the Dragon, title given to Talon by Silverblade in
> "Ragnarock"

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Message no. 47
From: acjpenn@******.com acjpenn@******.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:48:53 -0500
> I can't speak for the Sperethial used in the novels, but a lot of the
> SPerethial that has appeared in the sourcebooks over the years is from
> various forms of Gaelic, completely unadulterated.


True. I was going to post a comparison between SR Elven and Tolkeen
Eleven, but when I got into it, I realized I'd be rewriting this little
book I have here, and that seems like no way to fill up an afternoon.

So, would the party trying to write the song be interested in sending me an
English Copy? I'd do my best to translate into Tolkeen Elven. It might
not be what you are looking for, but could give you some ideas.. just a
thought. A stray one, but a thought, nonetheless.

Tig Da Pig

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Message no. 48
From: Jim DiCamillo darien_7seas@*****.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:01:50 -0700 (PDT)
acjpenn@******.com wrote:

> So, would the party trying to write the song be
>interested in sending me an
> English Copy? I'd do my best to translate into
>Tolkeen Elven. It might
> not be what you are looking for, but could give you

>some ideas.. just a
> thought. A stray one, but a thought, nonetheless.

Sure, but it might be a while before I finish
anything. My inexperience with composing combined with
my lack of materials plus my job and tendancy not to
finish stuff
I start might mean that I forget about this. And
thanks for the thought. . . .I wasn't gonna start
anything until I had a sperethiel dictionary to
translate directly, but now I
think I will.



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Message no. 49
From: Ahrain Ahrain_Drigar@*******.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:19:45 -0400
----- Original Message -----
From: <acjpenn@******.com>
Subject: Re: sperethiel dictionary?

> The book I have is "The Languages of Middle Earth" by Ruth S. Noel.. far
> from OOP, I picked mine up recently at a bookshop here in St. Louis.. (one
> of those artsy places with the coffe shop..)
>
> It's a smaller book, red cover, ISBN 0-395-29130-5
>
> Maybe not the same, hope it helps.. has Elven (Or Elvish, I hate that) and
> Dwarven and other Tolkeen-esque tounges.
>

I think I am going to strangle the clerk at !#^^%$* &@@%& (name of book
store inserted here). She told me that the book has been OOP for a while
now. I will have to pick me up a new copy.

But, yup same book. For those interested:

"The Languages of Tolkien's Middle Earth" by Ruth S. Noel
ISBN 0-395-29130-5
1974, 1980 by Houghton Mifflin Company

There is also a version published by Mirage Press titled "The Languages of
Middle Earth", which is the version I think you have.

Ahrain (aha=rage, raen=wanderer), The Raging Wanderer
(actually I got the name out of Warhammer High Elves, but it fit's somehow)

Eglerio!
A laita te, laita te! Andave laituvalmet!
"Gridsec", a laita tarienna!

:P lol

Ahrain
Message no. 50
From: Brian T Sniffen brians@***.EDU
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: 30 May 2000 02:03:07 -0400
On the other hand, Quenya exists and is well documented. It's the
language JRR Tolkein invented for the elves in the Lord of the Rings.

-Brian
Message no. 51
From: acjpenn@******.com acjpenn@******.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:10:00 -0500
> Ahrain (aha=rage, raen=wanderer), The Raging Wanderer
> (actually I got the name out of Warhammer High Elves, but it fit's
somehow)
>
Indeed. In Quenya:
Aha *rage*
Randir *wanderer* = {poof!} Ahrandir

very close!

> Eglerio!
> A laita te, laita te! Andave laituvalmet!
> "Gridsec", a laita tarienna!
>
> :P lol

Are you somehow saying gridsec is related to halflings? Hmmm?

; p

Tig Da Pig
Message no. 52
From: Gorbi gbmaill@***.de
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 20:39:49 +0200
If you want to spice up your game with strange languages, check out this
link: http://dmoz.org/Games/Roleplaying/World_Building/Invented_Languages/

Gorbi


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Message no. 53
From: Ahrain Drigar ahrain_drigar@*******.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:42:50 EDT
>From: <acjpenn@******.com>
>Reply-To: shadowrn@*********.com
>Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:10:00 -0500
>
>Indeed. In Quenya:
>Aha *rage*
>Randir *wanderer* = {poof!} Ahrandir
>
>very close!
>
> > Eglerio!
> > A laita te, laita te! Andave laituvalmet!
> > "Gridsec", a laita tarienna!
> >
> > :P lol
>
>Are you somehow saying gridsec is related to halflings? Hmmm?
>
>; p
>
>Tig Da Pig


*Ahrain blinks innocently, blinks again.....*

Well, at least that part of the song works ok for shameless stroking of
egos. :P

Hey, what's wrong with halflings!? :)

At least now I can add a few words here and there in Elvish/Elven and it
won't be missed by EVERYONE. I wonder if that says anything for having a
life...or lack there of. ;)

To mention the influence of Tolkien's languages my main long term
character's name is Jareth Valar. From his name, guess what profession he
is.

Ahrain
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Message no. 54
From: Ahrain Drigar ahrain_drigar@*******.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:49:04 EDT
>From: <acjpenn@******.com>
>Subject: Re: sperethiel dictionary?
>Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:10:00 -0500
>
>
>Are you somehow saying gridsec is related to halflings? Hmmm?
>
>; p
>
>Tig Da Pig

BTW, speaking of Halflings. Does anyone know of decent version(s) of
Halflings in SR? I know of the ones in White Wolf(?) but I didn't care for
those that much (no offence to the author).

Also, what are the general ideas of Halflings in SR? Depending on the
fantasy games you are used to, they are not all that corney. One of my
favorate characters was a Halfling. A REAL turn around from my normal grim,
taciturn fighter types. :)

Ahrain, grim, taciturn fighter type.....

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Message no. 55
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:25 +0200
According to Ahrain Drigar, at 22:49 on 30 May 00, the word on the street
was...

> BTW, speaking of Halflings. Does anyone know of decent version(s) of
> Halflings in SR? I know of the ones in White Wolf(?) but I didn't care for
> those that much (no offence to the author).

There are some stats for halfling PCs in NERPS: ShadowLore, at
http://shadowrun.html.com/nerps (which reminds me...).

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Message no. 56
From: acjpenn@******.com acjpenn@******.com
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:41:49 -0500
>
> Well, at least that part of the song works ok for shameless stroking of
> egos. :P

Oh definetly. "Praise them! Praise them! Swiftly Praise them, Praise
will-we Gridsec! Prasie!"

> Hey, what's wrong with halflings!? :)

Nothing, except in Tolkien's works some of them smoke like city busses. ; )

> At least now I can add a few words here and there in Elvish/Elven and it
> won't be missed by EVERYONE. I wonder if that says anything for having a

> life...or lack there of. ;)

Friend of mine just said their's probably an Elven word for that some
where...

> To mention the influence of Tolkien's languages my main long term
> character's name is Jareth Valar. From his name, guess what profession
he
> is.

Considering the definition of Valar is "The Powers" or "Those with
Power"

I'm thinking Decker. ;p

Mage!!!!!!!!!!

Tig Da Pig
Message no. 57
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: sperethiel dictionary?
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:24:30 -0500
From: acjpenn@******.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 3:42 PM

> > Hey, what's wrong with halflings!? :)
>
> Nothing, except in Tolkien's works some of them smoke like city
> busses. ; )

Halflings appear nowhere in Tolkien's works. Hobbits, on the other hand....

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