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Message no. 1
From: cocheese <ZKLJ1@****.EAST-TENN-ST.EDU>
Subject: Spike Babies
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:25:46 EDT
I've read about spike babies and I'm sure there's others who can explain the
issue better than me. One question- were there ork, dwarf or troll spike
babies? Surely elves arent' the only ones, if so 1) that's TOO DAMN CHEESY
and 2) don't the other metahuman races have the same chance of being born
due to the magic and their DNA?


CoCheese
Message no. 2
From: Andrew <wadycki@********.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:56:16 -0500
On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, cocheese wrote:

> I've read about spike babies and I'm sure there's others who can explain the
> issue better than me. One question- were there ork, dwarf or troll spike
> babies? Surely elves arent' the only ones, if so 1) that's TOO DAMN CHEESY
> and 2) don't the other metahuman races have the same chance of being born
> due to the magic and their DNA?


If I remember correctly, the explanation was that elves have a lower
threshold level and so could, depending on the time and place, spike. If
Orcs or Trolls had lower levels you could have goblinizing, which would
be hard to hide. Dwarfs, well, could be possible, but again depends on
the time and place and the threshold level.

-Andrew
Message no. 3
From: Gary Carroll <gary@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:01:54 -0700
>On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, cocheese wrote:
>
>> I've read about spike babies and I'm sure there's others who
>> can explain the issue better than me. One question- were
>> there ork, dwarf or troll spike babies? Surely elves arent' the
>> only ones, if so 1) that's TOO DAMN CHEESY and 2) don't
>> the other metahuman races have the same chance of being
>> born due to the magic and their DNA?
>
>If I remember correctly, the explanation was that elves have a
>lower threshold level and so could, depending on the time and
>place, spike. If Orcs or Trolls had lower levels you could have
>goblinizing, which would be hard to hide. Dwarfs, well, could
>be possible, but again depends on the time and place and the
>threshold level.
>-Andrew

I'm afraid I have not read about spike babies. Could someone
enlighten me, or enlighten me as to where I can find this info.

Thanks
Gary C.
Message no. 4
From: Dustin McCraw <dmccraw@*****.AIX.CALPOLY.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:45:43 -0700
In a previous letter,
>
>I've read about spike babies and I'm sure there's others who can explain the
>issue better than me. One question- were there ork, dwarf or troll spike
>babies? Surely elves arent' the only ones, if so 1) that's TOO DAMN CHEESY
>and 2) don't the other metahuman races have the same chance of being born
>due to the magic and their DNA?
>
>
>CoCheese
>
One of the main characters in the game I am currently running is a spike
baby dwarf. He kept himself out of the limelight until the arrival of
magic. Like many other spike babies he had made some plans for the next
arrival of magic and he is now ready to implement them.


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Message no. 5
From: Menard Steve <menars@***.UMONTREAL.CA>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:56:52 -0400
On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, cocheese wrote:

> I've read about spike babies and I'm sure there's others who can explain the
> issue better than me. One question- were there ork, dwarf or troll spike
> babies? Surely elves arent' the only ones, if so 1) that's TOO DAMN CHEESY
> and 2) don't the other metahuman races have the same chance of being born
> due to the magic and their DNA?

Don't know about the cheeseness, but it kind of makes sense to me.
Look at all the races, and you'll see that NONE are more closely sapiens
sapiens than nobilis! So, less different, less genes to activate, so
needs less magic to express. Maybe its just me, but I really think it
makes sense. Plus, the other races are just too different to pass
unnoticed like the elves could. Also, the only "very long lived" race is
elf. might have something to do with it ... then again maybe not. Lastly,
even if there WERE spike babies of other races, if you look at their
lifespan none(save maybe dwarves) would be alive today(that is, in 2055).


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Message no. 6
From: "Sgt. Pepper" <GRBENNET@*****.CIS.ECU.EDU>
Subject: Spike Babies
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:20:37 EDT
>I've read about spike babies and I'm sure there's others who can explain the
>issue better than me. One question- were there ork, dwarf or troll spike
>babies? Surely elves arent' the only ones, if so 1) that's TOO DAMN CHEESY
>and 2) don't the other metahuman races have the same chance of being born
>due to the magic and their DNA?
>
>
>CoCheese

I would say that there may be elf and dwarf spike babies, but not ork or troll
just from the way there appearence is set in the time line. If I remember, it
was a while between UGE and "Goblinzation" so it must be to different
processes.

Just my 0.02Y

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Message no. 7
From: Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:23:37 GMT
Gary Carroll writes
> >On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, cocheese wrote:
> >
> >> I've read about spike babies and I'm sure there's others who
> >> can explain the issue better than me. One question- were
> >> there ork, dwarf or troll spike babies? Surely elves arent' the
> >> only ones, if so 1) that's TOO DAMN CHEESY and 2) don't
> >> the other metahuman races have the same chance of being
> >> born due to the magic and their DNA?
> >
FASA never mentioned any others but Dawarfs certainly should have
been as common as spike babies really unless elves are REAL special.

> >If I remember correctly, the explanation was that elves have a
> >lower threshold level and so could, depending on the time and
> >place, spike. If Orcs or Trolls had lower levels you could have
> >goblinizing, which would be hard to hide. Dwarfs, well, could
> >be possible, but again depends on the time and place and the
> >threshold level.
> >-Andrew
>
yeah but 10 years compared to a mana cycle some 10400 years per whole
repetion is nothing. SR only reached 'awakening' in 2011 at 1/2 mana
it would not peak until about 4611 or so!!

> I'm afraid I have not read about spike babies. Could someone
> enlighten me, or enlighten me as to where I can find this info.
>
try Tir Taingire i think, the refs are bit scattered you reall yneed
to read everything to find all refs on subjects such as this.

> Thanks
> Gary C.
>

On a related note there is the case of the 'immortal elves'. I have
checked up on an Orc that was pointed out. See Adam alone (SR2 color
plates) and compare to the ORC pictured in ED (start GM's section i
think (working from memory)) the 2 look more than just a bit similar,
is this a case of chance or are FASA sugesting any race can reach
immortality. There is also a picture in ED captioned 'xxx person'
reaches for imortality! which implies it is somethig you can gain,
though in SR the hints suggest it is herditary (Ehrans daughter is
immortal as she interited it from him).

any comments?

Mark
Message no. 8
From: Todd James Gillespie <toddg@****.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 10:59:26 -0500
On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Mark Steedman wrote:

> Gary Carroll writes
> > >On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, cocheese wrote:
>
> On a related note there is the case of the 'immortal elves'. I have
> checked up on an Orc that was pointed out. See Adam alone (SR2 color
> plates) and compare to the ORC pictured in ED (start GM's section i
> think (working from memory)) the 2 look more than just a bit similar,
> is this a case of chance or are FASA sugesting any race can reach
> immortality. There is also a picture in ED captioned 'xxx person'
> reaches for imortality! which implies it is somethig you can gain,
> though in SR the hints suggest it is herditary (Ehrans daughter is
> immortal as she interited it from him).
>

In all reality, immortality is possible. Death by old age is simply
various parts of the body shutting down and crapping out because of so
many random mutated cells. The body can no longer handle that many
delinquent cells, and systems start to short out. Now if you have a
being whose body systems can resist cell mutations, you can have an
immortal, or at least very long lived being. A few ways of doing that
would be :
1. Have the cells replaced more often. A body whose cells divide more
rapidly and at the same time the lukyocytes and systems for breaking down
old cells are going blitzkreig. It's simply replacing the cells before
they get old, and the older a cell is, the more mutations it will have.
For instance, look at women's ovum becoming more prone to being sterile,
to producing down's syndrome and other mutations. Remember also that as
an added bonus, the body would heal faster. An example of this type would
be Wolverine, out of the Marvel's X-Men.

2. Have the DNA structure be more difficult to alter. BaD side effect to
this is that your cells probably will divide much slower than normal, and
slow healing is not good for a shadowrunner.

3. Figure out a way to combine the two. (I was going to write another
idea, but I haven't had anysleep and I not remembering too well).

All in all, they're not gods, just more efficient and regulated on the
protein level. And they can still be killed, vis'a'vis Tolkien's high
elves (see the Silmarillion {no, not the Sillymarillion} ).
Message no. 9
From: Charles KcKenzie <kilroy@**.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 15:38:49 -0500
On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Mark Steedman wrote:
>
> > Gary Carroll writes
> > > >On Mon, 26 Jun 1995, cocheese wrote:
> >
> > On a related note there is the case of the 'immortal elves'. I have
> > checked up on an Orc that was pointed out. See Adam alone (SR2 color
> > plates) and compare to the ORC pictured in ED (start GM's section i
> > think (working from memory)) the 2 look more than just a bit similar,
> > is this a case of chance or are FASA sugesting any race can reach
> > immortality. There is also a picture in ED captioned 'xxx person'
> > reaches for imortality! which implies it is somethig you can gain,
> > though in SR the hints suggest it is herditary (Ehrans daughter is
> > immortal as she interited it from him).
> >
>
> In all reality, immortality is possible. Death by old age is simply
> various parts of the body shutting down and crapping out because of so
> many random mutated cells. The body can no longer handle that many
> delinquent cells, and systems start to short out. Now if you have a
> being whose body systems can resist cell mutations, you can have an
> immortal, or at least very long lived being. A few ways of doing that
> would be :
> 1. Have the cells replaced more often. A body whose cells divide more
> rapidly and at the same time the lukyocytes and systems for breaking down
> old cells are going blitzkreig. It's simply replacing the cells before
> they get old, and the older a cell is, the more mutations it will have.
> For instance, look at women's ovum becoming more prone to being sterile,
> to producing down's syndrome and other mutations. Remember also that as
> an added bonus, the body would heal faster. An example of this type would
> be Wolverine, out of the Marvel's X-Men.
>
Does this mean that symboites will increase a character's lifespan?

Just wondering if my troll sam isn't due to die by age 40. :)

Kilroy
Message no. 10
From: Robert Watkins <bob@**.NTU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 15:27:28 +0930
Charles KcKenzie wrote:
> >
[Talk about immortality removed.]
> Does this mean that symboites will increase a character's lifespan?

In theory, yeah. However, you get the catch-22... the faster you heal, the
more frequently your cells divide. The more frequently they divide, the
greater the chance of an "error" creeping in. These errors lead to things
like cancer, leukemia, and lots of other non-hereditary cellular problems.

But one moderately simple longevity technique is replacement of blood,
cleaning of arteries, etc... it won't make you immortal, but it will
prolong your lifespan, simply because you won't age as fast. Oh, and
there's always gene-tech. :)

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Message no. 11
From: Mark Steedman <RSMS@******.EEE.RGU.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 11:13:32 GMT
> From: Charles KcKenzie <kilroy@**.WISC.EDU>

> On Wed, 5 Jul 1995, Todd James Gillespie wrote:
>
> >
> Does this mean that symboites will increase a character's lifespan?
>
> Just wondering if my troll sam isn't due to die by age 40. :)
>
> Kilroy
>
get leonization - see shadowtech, sets age back to 21 staight and
simple, ok it will set you back a cool 2.4 Myen BUT!!

Mark
Message no. 12
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:11:37 -0400
> In all reality, immortality is possible. Death by old age is simply
> various parts of the body shutting down and crapping out because of so
> many random mutated cells.

Where did you hear this? Old age is based on a whole range of effects,
from bones decalcifying to muscles wearing out (including the heart), but
most directly it's the effect of oxidation. Reduce the oxidation of cells,
and you can extend a person's lifespan -- to an extent. This cell mutation
stuff you're talking about is cancer, not old age. Old age is not "simply"
any one thing.


> 1. Have the cells replaced more often. A body whose cells divide more
> rapidly and at the same time the lukyocytes and systems for breaking down
> old cells are going blitzkreig. It's simply replacing the cells before
> they get old, and the older a cell is, the more mutations it will have.

No. Mutations happen DURING cell reproduction. They have nothing to do
with how old the cell is. You just figured out a way to vastly increase
the chances of death by cancer.


> For instance, look at women's ovum becoming more prone to being sterile,
> to producing down's syndrome and other mutations. Remember also that as
> an added bonus, the body would heal faster. An example of this type would
> be Wolverine, out of the Marvel's X-Men.

Healing certain wounds faster I can buy, though to have it make sense you'd
have to increase platelet production and several other support functions as
well. The trade-off, however, is a dramatically SHORTENED lifespan as
systems wear out faster, not an extended one.


(If anyone here has medical knowledge and knows I'm wrong about something,
please speak up.. I'm just pulling this out of high school biology and
things learned since.)


Blessings,

_TNX._

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Message no. 13
From: "Brian A. Stewart" <bstewart@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 09:53:12 -0700
>> In all reality, immortality is possible. Death by old age is simply
>> various parts of the body shutting down and crapping out because of so
>> many random mutated cells.
>
>Where did you hear this? Old age is based on a whole range of effects,
>from bones decalcifying to muscles wearing out (including the heart), but
>most directly it's the effect of oxidation. Reduce the oxidation of cells,
>and you can extend a person's lifespan -- to an extent. This cell mutation
>stuff you're talking about is cancer, not old age. Old age is not "simply"
>any one thing.
>
>
>> 1. Have the cells replaced more often. A body whose cells divide more
>> rapidly and at the same time the lukyocytes and systems for breaking down
>> old cells are going blitzkreig. It's simply replacing the cells before
>> they get old, and the older a cell is, the more mutations it will have.
>
>No. Mutations happen DURING cell reproduction. They have nothing to do
>with how old the cell is. You just figured out a way to vastly increase
>the chances of death by cancer.
>
>
>> For instance, look at women's ovum becoming more prone to being sterile,
>> to producing down's syndrome and other mutations. Remember also that as
>> an added bonus, the body would heal faster. An example of this type would
>> be Wolverine, out of the Marvel's X-Men.
>
>Healing certain wounds faster I can buy, though to have it make sense you'd
>have to increase platelet production and several other support functions as
>well. The trade-off, however, is a dramatically SHORTENED lifespan as
>systems wear out faster, not an extended one.
>
>
>(If anyone here has medical knowledge and knows I'm wrong about something,
> please speak up.. I'm just pulling this out of high school biology and
> things learned since.)
>
>
>Blessings,
>
>_TNX._
>
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> Please don't blame anyone else. |

Ok, here goes, as laymen as I can get it. Aging is a multi-facited process
caused by, who knows. There are multiple theories as to why the body wears
out: oxidation theory, wear and tear theory, various ion and radicle
theories, mutation theories, genetic programming theories, and a little bit
of everything theory (this is the one I support). You are correct in saying
immortality or regenerzation is more than simply replacing blood. The body
is network of interralted functions, ALL the parts that wear down with aging
must be replaced.

Immortality, requires a genetic component (that Ehran and his daughter must
have) that made the body in someway immune to the aging process (there is no
oxidation, no O2 radicale, no residual ions, no wearing done, no mutation,
ect... (or at least a controlable amount). Nothing says that if we found
all the genes that controlled aging, we could not learn to alter them to
extend our lives (i.e. gene-tech or maby magic in another 400 yrs).

As for regeneration, this does not equal immortality. Regeneration refers
to the bodies ability to heal itself from damage, immortality is the
immunity to the aging process. Aging is not damaging the body, it is a
degeneration of the bodies functions, one of those functions is healing.
Thus regeneration, while perhaps (could be argued either way) extending ones
lifespan, would still be subject to the laws of aging and would degenerate
along with the rest of the body (ex. a 90 yr old would not regenerate as
well as a 20 year old).

This information is approximately 6 months out of date, I haven't been
keeping up on the latest information in aging. Who knows maby they have
found the genes for aging. That just makes the chance for effective
gene-tech in 2055 even stronger.

I hope this was helpful. Any one else know anymore?

Be With Peace
Brian

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Message no. 14
From: Sebastian Wiers <seb@***.RIPCO.COM>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 1995 12:56:40 -0500
>
> Charles KcKenzie wrote:
> > >
> [Talk about immortality removed.]
> > Does this mean that symboites will increase a character's lifespan?
>
> In theory, yeah. However, you get the catch-22... the faster you heal, the
> more frequently your cells divide. The more frequently they divide, the
> greater the chance of an "error" creeping in. These errors lead to things
> like cancer, leukemia, and lots of other non-hereditary cellular problems.
>
> But one moderately simple longevity technique is replacement of blood,
> cleaning of arteries, etc... it won't make you immortal, but it will
> prolong your lifespan, simply because you won't age as fast. Oh, and
> there's always gene-tech. :)

You know, I always wondered about symbiots- Why do you have to eat more when
you are not injured? Woulden't some sort of actication/ deactivation pill be
available? I remember "Sticky", the Jamacan samurai in Islands on the net.
He wasn't alaways hopped up on drugs from his tasllored e.coli, only when he
ate a bunch of yogurt. Why not make nanites the same? Heck, my sams on drugs
to block his suprathyroid function, and I'l probably stay on them for certain
missions where an elevated body temp and unusual diet would be undesirable.
Sebastian
Message no. 15
From: David Herr <dherr@********.NET>
Subject: Re: spike babies
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 19:05:57 EDT
>> In all reality, immortality is possible. Death by old age is simply
>> various parts of the body shutting down and crapping out because of so
>> many random mutated cells.
>
>Where did you hear this? Old age is based on a whole range of effects,
>from bones decalcifying to muscles wearing out (including the heart), but
>most directly it's the effect of oxidation. Reduce the oxidation of cells,
>and you can extend a person's lifespan -- to an extent. This cell mutation
>stuff you're talking about is cancer, not old age. Old age is not "simply"
>any one thing.
>
Well your kind of both right, the range of effects that happens because of old age
is directly related to the mutation of cells. yes cancer is also a cell mutation but its
a very obvios one and most arn't but can also end up in similar circumstances.

>
>> 1. Have the cells replaced more often. A body whose cells divide more
>> rapidly and at the same time the lukyocytes and systems for breaking >down
>> old cells are going blitzkreig. It's simply replacing the cells before
>> they get old, and the older a cell is, the more mutations it will have.
>
>No. Mutations happen DURING cell reproduction. They have nothing to do
>with how old the cell is. You just figured out a way to vastly increase
>the chances of death by cancer.
>
Again your are both right, cell mutation happen durring a cells lifetime but only
show up durring cell reporduction, it happens something like this.
1) cell is exposed to radiation and mutates.
2) cell starts to devide and mutations occur because the daughter cell only gets
1/2 the DNA of the parent (something like this) and replicates the rest because of the way
DNA works (certain types of individual pieces are always oposite a certain type of piece
in the chain).
3) any mutation in 1/2 a strand of DNA is mirriored on the other side thus
represented in the daughter cell.
Thus it follows that if a cell has a shorter life span it is exposed to less
radiation and thusly fewer mutations occur 8^)
>
>> For instance, look at women's ovum becoming more prone to being sterile,
>> to producing down's syndrome and other mutations. Remember also that as
>> an added bonus, the body would heal faster. An example of this type would
>> be Wolverine, out of the Marvel's X-Men.
>
>Healing certain wounds faster I can buy, though to have it make sense you'd
>have to increase platelet production and several other support functions as
>well. The trade-off, however, is a dramatically SHORTENED lifespan as
>systems wear out faster, not an extended one.
>
no, you are wrong! the cells don't wear out, the mutate, if a cell doesn't mutate
as much the person lives longer (see above)
>
>(If anyone here has medical knowledge and knows I'm wrong about >something, please
speak up.. I'm just pulling this out of high school >biology and
> things learned since.)

This is based on knowledge from highschool biology, chemestry and chemcle biology.
Message no. 16
From: Charles KcKenzie <kilroy@**.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spike Babies
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 08:30:24 -0500
> > Does this mean that symboites will increase a character's lifespan?
> >
> > Just wondering if my troll sam isn't due to die by age 40. :)
> >
> > Kilroy
> >
> get leonization - see shadowtech, sets age back to 21 staight and
> simple, ok it will set you back a cool 2.4 Myen BUT!!
>
> Mark
>
I don't have my book, but I think leonization takes a little essence...
That's a problem for my troll. :)_

Kilroy
Message no. 17
From: Stephanos Piperoglou <sneakabout@**********.HOL.GR>
Subject: Re: spike babies
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 16:57:12 +0300
On Sat, 8 Jul 1995, David Herr wrote:

> Again your are both right, cell mutation happen durring a cells
> lifetime but only show up durring cell reporduction, it happens
> something like this.
> 1) cell is exposed to radiation and mutates.
> 2) cell starts to devide and mutations occur because the daughter cell
> only gets 1/2 the DNA of the parent (something like this) and replicates
> the rest because of the way DNA works (certain types of individual
> pieces are always oposite a certain type of piece in the chain).
> 3) any mutation in 1/2 a strand of DNA is mirriored on the other side
> thus represented in the daughter cell.
> Thus it follows that if a cell has a shorter life span it is exposed to
> less radiation and thusly fewer mutations occur 8^)

I'm not all sure you've got your facts right but your logic is wrong. If
mutation has to do with radiation, it's a quantum phenomenon. Which means
basically in our case that it doesn't matter if you're exposed longer to
radiation, this just alters the probability of the mutation happening.
But if this is true, than faster cell mutation doesn't affect anything,
because if you have 2 cells exposed for some time and they have x
probability of mutating, and you have 10 cells exposed for a fifth of the
time, they each have x/5 probability of mutating, but overall it doesn't
change, does it? The probablity waveform is the same overall, because it
depends on the radiation striking a bond in the DNA and altering it.
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