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Message no. 1
From: Bruce iti03678@****.co.za
Subject: "Spinner Cars" (Re: First Time Questions)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:01:39 +0200
>
>On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:11:40 GMT
>"Simon Nixon" <a_9365@*******.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 1. What the hell does a T-Bird look like? Our group has had many
*intensive*
>> discussions - read fights - about what they look like. I've
read/heard that
>> they are large wedge shaped. COME ON. Are we seriously being told
that one
>> of the most destructive vehicles circa 2060 looks like a door stop?
>
> Since they have big jets underneath them, they can be pretty
>irreegular and still fly high and fast :) . All those turrets and
>missile racks don't leave the t-bird with a nice figure.
> There may also be "spinner cars", civilian LAVs that look like
>luxury models but have vectored thrust propellers instead of wheels
>(like the ones in Blade Runner).

I dont understand why SR hasnt develop this idea of low altitude
commercial vehicles. The cover of New Seattle boasts one of them but
we dont see stats for them anywhere. Cyberpubk2020 has a couple of
luxury vehicles that are capable of flight (think they call them AVs)
I think the feel of the game would be significantly changed by the
inclusion of such vehicles.

- -
Bruce <phantasm@****.co.za>

Give me reasons why the sun has to shine
why they murdered the noisy mime
tell me the answers to the puzzles of Poe
and sing me to sleep on the rivers of woe
Message no. 2
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: "Spinner Cars" (Re: First Time Questions)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:36:35 +0100
According to Bruce, at 9:01 on 18 Nov 99, the word on the street was...

> I dont understand why SR hasnt develop this idea of low altitude
> commercial vehicles. The cover of New Seattle boasts one of them but
> we dont see stats for them anywhere. Cyberpubk2020 has a couple of
> luxury vehicles that are capable of flight (think they call them AVs)
> I think the feel of the game would be significantly changed by the
> inclusion of such vehicles.

If you want them in your SR game, go to
http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/srbooks/cc.html and download the
Chromebook Conversions. Plenty of AVs in there, converted to SR, plus some
chassis to design your own with Rigger 2 :)

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Message no. 3
From: Bruce iti03678@****.co.za
Subject: "Spinner Cars" (Re: First Time Questions)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:50:13 +0200
-----Original Message-----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: shadowrn@*********.org <shadowrn@*********.org>
Date: 18 November 1999 01:44
Subject: Re: "Spinner Cars" (Re: First Time Questions)


According to Bruce, at 9:01 on 18 Nov 99, the word on the street
was...

> I dont understand why SR hasnt develop this idea of low altitude
> commercial vehicles. The cover of New Seattle boasts one of them but
> we dont see stats for them anywhere. Cyberpubk2020 has a couple of
> luxury vehicles that are capable of flight (think they call them
AVs)
> I think the feel of the game would be significantly changed by the
> inclusion of such vehicles.

>If you want them in your SR game, go to
>http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/srbooks/cc.html and
download the
>Chromebook Conversions. Plenty of AVs in there, converted to SR, plus
some
>chassis to design your own with Rigger 2 :)

My mailer wont put arrows in my replies to you Gurth.. very odd..

Anyway, thanks for the tip, I've got the book, very nice. Adding these
to a campaign is going to change things in many ways. Does anyone
reckon as a previous poster suggested that pilots of these things will
need special licenses? Flight plans?
Message no. 4
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: "Spinner Cars" (Re: First Time Questions)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:07:18 EST
In a message dated 11/18/1999 6:53:20 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
iti03678@****.co.za writes:

> Anyway, thanks for the tip, I've got the book, very nice. Adding these
> to a campaign is going to change things in many ways. Does anyone
> reckon as a previous poster suggested that pilots of these things will
> need special licenses? Flight plans?

Actually, we require "flight plans" and "fueling routes" to be
determined in
our games now because of the Rigger-requirements. Deckers get involved, and
even on rare occasion, the magicians do with their watchers (especially in
the way far north NAN territories).

-K
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Message no. 5
From: Starrngr@***.com Starrngr@***.com
Subject: "Spinner Cars" (Re: First Time Questions)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:33:28 EST
In a message dated 11/18/1999 8:32:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Ereskanti@***.com writes:

> > Anyway, thanks for the tip, I've got the book, very nice. Adding these
> > to a campaign is going to change things in many ways. Does anyone
> > reckon as a previous poster suggested that pilots of these things will
> > need special licenses? Flight plans?
>
> Actually, we require "flight plans" and "fueling routes" to be
determined
in
> our games now because of the Rigger-requirements. Deckers get involved,
and
> even on rare occasion, the magicians do with their watchers (especially in
> the way far north NAN territories).

This, I can see, because this is basicly an extension of current air laws. I
dont see pilots of these LAV's neccecarily being required to have secial
licences, though. This would be the sort of thing that can vary greatly, and
should be decided by individual GM's... I, for example, wouldnt REQUIRE a
special licence for such a vehicle, but all such vehicles WOULD be required
to have an Autonav of 3 or better, because you would not be allowed to fly it
manually unless you DID have said licence.

--
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Message no. 6
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: "Spinner Cars" (Re: First Time Questions)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:36:02 +0100
According to Bruce, at 13:50 on 18 Nov 99, the word on the street was...

> >If you want them in your SR game, go to
> >http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/srbooks/cc.html and
> download the
> >Chromebook Conversions. Plenty of AVs in there, converted to SR, plus
> some
> >chassis to design your own with Rigger 2 :)
>
> My mailer wont put arrows in my replies to you Gurth.. very odd..

I know, some people have told me that too... It has to do with the
encoding of the message, IIRC, but I don't think I can change it :(

> Anyway, thanks for the tip, I've got the book, very nice. Adding these
> to a campaign is going to change things in many ways. Does anyone
> reckon as a previous poster suggested that pilots of these things will
> need special licenses? Flight plans?

That might have been me. I think you'd need at least a pilot's license for
them, since they are aircraft, and pretty complex ones at that. As for
flight plans, that may depend on how many there are flying around. If
there are very few, I think governments would require flight plans for
them; OTOH if everyone owns an LAV, flight plans would probably not be
required, after pressure from various groups to do away with the bother
(or because it "takes away our freedom to go where we want without asking
authorization!" :)

--
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Destiny is a state of mind
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

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PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
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Message no. 7
From: Bira ubiratan@**.homeshopping.com.br
Subject: "Spinner Cars" (Re: First Time Questions)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:45:21 -0200
On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:01:39 +0200
"Bruce" <iti03678@****.co.za> wrote:

> > Since they have big jets underneath them, they can be pretty
> >irreegular and still fly high and fast :) . All those turrets and
> >missile racks don't leave the t-bird with a nice figure.
> > There may also be "spinner cars", civilian LAVs that look like
> >luxury models but have vectored thrust propellers instead of wheels
> >(like the ones in Blade Runner).
>
> I dont understand why SR hasnt develop this idea of low altitude
> commercial vehicles. The cover of New Seattle boasts one of them but
> we dont see stats for them anywhere. Cyberpubk2020 has a couple of
> luxury vehicles that are capable of flight (think they call them AVs)
> I think the feel of the game would be significantly changed by the
> inclusion of such vehicles.
>

I think people are too used to think of then as "cool military
gadgets" and nothing else :) .

Bira - SysOp da Shadowland.BR
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