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Message no. 1
From: Justin Elliott <justin.elliott@*******.OTAGO.AC.NZ>
Subject: Spirit forces and domains
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 13:54:24 +1200
A question for all you gurus and guru wannabes :

Is a spirits force rating limited by its domain. For example Jim the Shaman
is traveling through a rough area and feels the need of a little
protection. There is a storm raging so he summons a Storm Spirit(silly I
know, but you know shamans ;). When he's only half way to his destination
the storm peters out, and the spirit disappears (no domain, no spirit). The
question is this: as the storm lessened did the spirits rating begin
dropping as well.

Or could Jim summon a force 8 Hearth Spirit in a one room cabin, or because
of the size of the building would he be limited to the size of the spirit
he could summon.

I'd be interested in what all you people think. I have no answer my
self...YET. I just thought of this walking here in a dying storm!


Justin Elliott
(justin.elliott@*******.otago.ac.nz)

"To know nothing of history, is to remain perpetually a child"

---Cicero

"Time is a great teacher, but unfortuneately it kills all its pupils."

---Hector Berlioz
Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Spirit forces and domains
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 10:16:43 +0200
>Is a spirits force rating limited by its domain.
[example snipped]

I don't think it is -- AFAIK there is absolutely _no_ limit to the Force of
a summoned nature spirit. You can call up a Force 270 hearth spirit in a
house if you want (and if you can roll enough 6s :)

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Message no. 3
From: "Brian A. Stewart" <bstewart@***.UUG.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spirit forces and domains
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 08:54:11 -0700
Justin Elliot writes:

>Is a spirits force rating limited by its domain.

Guru. Gurth is the unofficialSR guru, but I will take a stab at this.
Depends on the type of limits. Area/size of the domain: No, I do not think
so. Constitution/type of energy in the domain: Yes. Why? For me, a nature
spirit is a manifestation of the "spirit"/"type of life energy" within
a
particular domain. The area of a domain does not matter. A small room can
hae as much "spirit/life" as a mansion. Likewise, the force of a storm
spirit is not dependant on the storm strength, because there can be as much
potential storm energy in a weak thunderstorm as a hurrican.

But the type of energy is very important. A nature spirit is defined by the
type of energy. what divides a hearth spirit from a city spirit in an
arcology? The type of energy. Places where people have established a home,
I would define as a hearth, a place where people shop, a city or similar
spirit of man.

Additionally, toxic spirits occur where the spirit of a place is corrupted.
In the Secrets of Power, second book (Choose Your Enemies Carefully, I
think). Anyway, in the book Twist summons a spirit of man in a corporate
office building which a wendigo then corrupts into a txic spirit, because
the energy of the building was corrupt. Later Twist summons a hearth spirit
from a small family living in the building who established a home and still
loved each other, this spirit was not corruptable.

Hope this helps.
Enjoy.
Brian
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Message no. 4
From: "S.F. Eley" <gt6877c@*****.GATECH.EDU>
Subject: Re: Spirit forces and domains
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 16:01:44 -0400
Justin Elliot writes:

> Is a spirits force rating limited by its domain. For example Jim the Shaman
> is traveling through a rough area and feels the need of a little
> protection. There is a storm raging so he summons a Storm Spirit(silly I
> know, but you know shamans ;). When he's only half way to his destination
> the storm peters out, and the spirit disappears (no domain, no spirit). The
> question is this: as the storm lessened did the spirits rating begin
> dropping as well.

I'd rule that a Force 8 spirit could probably keep the storm going about as
long as it wanted it to.. >8-> Spirits influence their domain, just as
much as vice versa. At least, that's the way I tend to play it.

Blessings,

_TNX._

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http://wc62.residence.gatech.edu| "Heathen: A benighted creature who has the
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Please don't blame anyone else. | see and feel." _The Devil's Dictionary_
Message no. 5
From: "Victor Rodriguez, Jr" <sedahdro@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Spirit forces and domains
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:27:00 EST
>A question for all you gurus and guru wannabes :
>
>Is a spirits force rating limited by its domain. For example Jim the Shaman
>is traveling through a rough area and feels the need of a little
>protection. There is a storm raging so he summons a Storm Spirit(silly I
>know, but you know shamans ;). When he's only half way to his destination
>the storm peters out, and the spirit disappears (no domain, no spirit). The
>question is this: as the storm lessened did the spirits rating begin
>dropping as well.
Good question. It makes sense that it would. But I would have to say no.
The spirits force is a constant which determines your target number to
summon it in the first place. The only thing that can lower a spirits Force
is combat.
>Or could Jim summon a force 8 Hearth Spirit in a one room cabin, or because
>of the size of the building would he be limited to the size of the spirit
>he could summon.
Yes, he could size doesn't matter. That's where drain comes in the smaller
the spirit the lesser the drain. Of course, I wouldn't summon a Force 8
spirit unless I had an 8 Charisma or higher, or else the drain could kill me.
---Sedah Drol
Message no. 6
From: "Victor Rodriguez, Jr" <sedahdro@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Spirit forces and domains
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:27:00 EST
>>Is a spirits force rating limited by its domain.
>[example snipped]
>
>I don't think it is -- AFAIK there is absolutely _no_ limit to the Force of
>a summoned nature spirit. You can call up a Force 270 hearth spirit in a
>house if you want (and if you can roll enough 6s :)
Yeah, you either have be extremely lucky or have a weighted six. You have
to roll 45 6's on one dice. Of course then comes drain: 270D physical (I
don't care who you are, you don't have a 270 charisma unless your a
munchkin). You either have to have balls, be really stupid or have several
powerful spirtit foci to burn.:)
---Sedah Drol
Message no. 7
From: Damion Milliken <adm82@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: Spirit forces and domains
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 01:53:30 +1000
Justin Elliott writes:

> Is a spirits force rating limited by its domain.

I'd say no. In the grimything it mentions that "nature is a infinite pool of
energy". That quote is in reference to multiple shamans summoning multiple
spirits from the one domain, but it suggests that a single domain does have
a large (infinite actually) store of available energy. Thus I'd say that as
long as there was some of the domain present, then there would be sufficient
energy available for many spirits to be summoned from it. Also, I seem to
remmber from somewhere (I'm not sure exactly where, anyone else know?) that
a shaman can only have a single nature spirit of each type summoned at any
one time, since one part of a domain was a part of the "whole" or
"greater"
domain (ie all lived in buildings are part of the same hearth domain). If
this last bit is right, then it doesn't matter how small your particular bit
of the domain is, it can draw from the communual energy of it's domain and
easily sustain any power spirit.

S.F. Eley writes:

> I'd rule that a Force 8 spirit could probably keep the storm going about as
> long as it wanted it to.. >8-> Spirits influence their domain, just as much
> as vice versa. At least, that's the way I tend to play it.

I would only allow that to occur if the spirit was a great form spirit, and
could thus use the storm power. The energy that creates a nature spirit is
drawn from its domain. All nature spiirts except great form ones must remain
within their domain. I can't really see a normal spirit creating domain for
itself.

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