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Message no. 1
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Spirits of War (was Re: US background count, etc.)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:51:09 +0200
According to IronRaven, at 19:56 on 13 Jul 99, the word on
the street was...

> Any-way, the mention of the various conflicts on American soil has
> reminded me of an idea. A new Spirit of Man, the Spirit of War. In it's
> normal form, it represents the ideals of the warrior- honor, sacrifice,
> protection, loyalty. In the toxic form, it the empodiment of the worst
> evil's mankind has ever commited: treason, genocide, terrorism, and
> oppression. They can be called fom any battle ground or graves of the
> fallen, and appear in a uniform and armed. An example of how a normal
> Spirit of War would manifest would be as Minuteman or WWII GI, while a tox
> form would appear as an SS Officer or a Cen/SouAm death squad member.

One hint: don't go to places like Verdun and summon one...

> Any ideas, both to powers (I like the concept, but have yet to do anyting
> with it) and the viability of the concept itself?

Not sure if it's viable. War is very bad for nature (I mentioned Verdun --
only in the last 20 years or so have trees been able to grow again in that
part of France...) so I don't think there'd be a _nature_ spirit of war.
Still, if you want one, it would be a Spirit of Man, with the attributes
that go with those. IMHO its powers would be Accident, Compulsion,
Concealment, Confusion (extra strong), Fear, Guard, and Materialization.

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Message no. 2
From: Twist0059@***.com Twist0059@***.com
Subject: Spirits of War (was Re: US background count, etc.)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:20:56 EDT
In a message dated 7/14/99 6:43:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gurth@******.nl
writes:

> Not sure if it's viable. War is very bad for nature (I mentioned Verdun --
> only in the last 20 years or so have trees been able to grow again in that
> part of France...) so I don't think there'd be a _nature_ spirit of war.
> Still, if you want one, it would be a Spirit of Man, with the attributes
> that go with those. IMHO its powers would be Accident, Compulsion,
> Concealment, Confusion (extra strong), Fear, Guard, and Materialization.
>
> --


Well, there are nature spirits for cities and those aren't good for Nature.
And isn't dying all part of the cycle of life? (Nevermind the nukes, save
'em for the toxics.)





-Twist
Message no. 3
From: IronRaven cyberraven@********.net
Subject: Spirits of War (was Re: US background count, etc.)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:40:37 -0400
At 11.51 07-14-99 +0200, you wrote:
>One hint: don't go to places like Verdun and summon one...

Then it would largely be a crap shoot what you get. I would rule IMC that
if you were summoning out side of certain Holocuast camps, you might get a
little Nazi, or you might get a little GI who was one of the Liberators. I
might even describe it in the astral as a conflict betweent he two, with
normal forms fighting to contain the txoic forms.

>Not sure if it's viable. War is very bad for nature (I mentioned Verdun --

I thought I said Spirit of Man?


CyberRaven
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Dismemberment."
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Message no. 4
From: Sebastian Wiers m0ng005e@*********.com
Subject: Spirits of War (was Re: US background count, etc.)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:59:47 -0500
> Any-way, the mention of the various conflicts on American soil has
> reminded me of an idea. A new Spirit of Man, the Spirit of War.

Don't they have war spirits already? You might know them as
"wraiths"...

Mongoose
Message no. 5
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Spirits of War (was Re: US background count, etc.)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:04:38 +0200
According to Twist0059@***.com, at 11:20 on 14 Jul 99, the word on
the street was...

> Well, there are nature spirits for cities and those aren't good for Nature.

Those could be a borderline case. IMHO, a spirit of war would be almost
always toxic, especially so at the sites of major battles (as opposed to
smaller ones).

> And isn't dying all part of the cycle of life?

I won't disagree with that. But in a war, there is dying on a much greater
scale than nature would "expect" to see happen.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Cooking with the devil, frying down in hell.
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 6
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Spirits of War (was Re: US background count, etc.)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 20:04:38 +0200
According to IronRaven, at 8:40 on 14 Jul 99, the word on
the street was...

> >One hint: don't go to places like Verdun and summon one...
>
> Then it would largely be a crap shoot what you get.

I doubt it...

> I would rule IMC that if you were summoning out side of certain
> Holocuast camps, you might get a little Nazi, or you might get a little
> GI who was one of the Liberators.

In a case like that, yes. On the site of a big, meat-grinder-style battle,
I'd say it's toxic all the way.

> >Not sure if it's viable. War is very bad for nature (I mentioned Verdun --
>
> I thought I said Spirit of Man?

Yes, but they're all _nature_ spirits.

--
Gurth@******.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~gurth/index.html
Cooking with the devil, frying down in hell.
-> NAGEE Editor * ShadowRN GridSec * Unofficial Shadowrun Guru <-
->The Plastic Warriors Page: http://shadowrun.html.com/plasticwarriors/<-
-> The New Character Mortuary: http://www.electricferret.com/mortuary/ <-

GC3.1: GAT/! d-(dpu) s:- !a>? C+(++)@ U P L E? W(++) N o? K- w+ O V? PS+
PE Y PGP- t(+) 5++ X++ R+++>$ tv+(++) b++@ DI? D+ G(++) e h! !r(---) y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 7
From: Ereskanti@***.com Ereskanti@***.com
Subject: Spirits of War (was Re: US background count, etc.)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:41:50 EDT
In a message dated 7/14/1999 1:12:22 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
m0ng005e@*********.com writes:

> > Any-way, the mention of the various conflicts on American soil has
> > reminded me of an idea. A new Spirit of Man, the Spirit of War.
>
> Don't they have war spirits already? You might know them as
> "wraiths"...

Doubtful, VERY Doubtful....

-K

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