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Message no. 1
From: 00DNA <mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:44:56 -0400
>> And steering this back to SR, how likely is it that more sports have
>reached
>> big time prominence? I'm thinking that with sixty more years, team
>> handball, lacrosse, and Australian rules football and jai alai could reach
>> the status of soccer, baseball, basketball, and, dare I say it, even
>> American football...

From what I remember reading the different sourcebooks, it seems they
indicate that each country has it's own preferences. I don't think just
because you add time, some sports are going to be more popular...look at
baseball the last few years (excluding this one...) it was Way down from
previous years.
I see this...you'd have your big sports...in the UCAS you'd have Urban
Brawl, American Football, Basketball, Combat Biking(?). Baseball, as
described in Wolf and Raven seems to be trying but I think it would be
lower than these 3-4.
Other countries would just have their favorites too...different order
basically. With the Tir, Hurling would be at top, and probably Urban Brawl
near the bottom...you know how fussy those elves are...haha.

One thing I would sense is the large number of World type games. Because
of all the chaos that has happened and the different countries that have
broken up and changed, people would want to hold onto something that they
can use to identify themselves with their nation. I think almost every
country will have a team for almost every conceivable sport. And though
most people won't watch their sport during it's season...if it's even
televised...they'd most definately be rooting strong for them during the
World Games...
And seeing that there have been added games, and not just the cybered and
non-cybered versions...I think there'd have to be some world competition
series going on almost all the time...

--00DNA
"The Matrix patterns itself on Nature" <<Replication Terminated>>
Message no. 2
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 15:48:20 EDT
In a message dated 9/1/98 1:48:21 PM AST, mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU writes:

> Baseball, as
> described in Wolf and Raven seems to be trying but I think it would be
> lower than these 3-4.

This is accurate in a real world perspective. Baseball is falling in
popilarity every year. I am a sports fanatic and I haven't watched a full 9
inning game in more years than I care to count. There isn't enough action. I
can see the fast moving 6th world leaving the sport behind.
Message no. 3
From: Chris <chris_hayes@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:09:15 -0700
> In a message dated 9/1/98 1:48:21 PM AST,
> mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU writes:
>
> > Baseball, as
> > described in Wolf and Raven seems to be trying but I think it would be
> > lower than these 3-4.
>
> This is accurate in a real world perspective. Baseball is falling in
> popilarity every year. I am a sports fanatic and I haven't
> watched a full 9
> inning game in more years than I care to count. There isn't
> enough action. I
> can see the fast moving 6th world leaving the sport behind.
>

Can you imagine if Baseball allowed cyber enhancements how big the park
would have to be? Can you imagine Mark McGuire with Muscle Replacement and
a cyberarm? The park would have to be around 800 to 1000 yards. The
distance between bases would have to be around 100. I'm not sure if
Baseball could survive.

Christopher Hayes
"Who put their hoo-hoo dilly in your cha-cha?" - Cartman
Message no. 4
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:30:36 -0400
Chris wrote:
>
> Can you imagine if Baseball allowed cyber enhancements how big the park
> would have to be? Can you imagine Mark McGuire with Muscle Replacement and
> a cyberarm? The park would have to be around 800 to 1000 yards. The
> distance between bases would have to be around 100. I'm not sure if
> Baseball could survive.

You mean on *top* of that stuff he's already keeping in his locker?
Whoa. >8->


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley (hoping he didn't touch off a baseball flamewar)
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 5
From: Rick Riessen <chrome@********.ORG>
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:29:24 -0400
> Can you imagine if Baseball allowed cyber enhancements how big the
park
>would have to be? Can you imagine Mark McGuire with Muscle Replacement and
>a cyberarm? The park would have to be around 800 to 1000 yards. The
>distance between bases would have to be around 100. I'm not sure if
>Baseball could survive.


What if they made the baseballs heavier?

CT
Message no. 6
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:48:46 -0500
----------
> From: Rick Riessen <chrome@********.ORG>

> > Can you imagine if Baseball allowed cyber enhancements how big
the
> park
> >would have to be? Can you imagine Mark McGuire with Muscle Replacement
and
> >a cyberarm? The park would have to be around 800 to 1000 yards. The
> >distance between bases would have to be around 100. I'm not sure if
> >Baseball could survive.
>
> What if they made the baseballs heavier?

Actually, in Shadowbeat they allow meta's and cyberware. They mentioned
that one pitcher not only Goblinized on the mound (into an Ork, BTW), but
he also had a heavily rebuilt pitching arm.

Nexx, who only watches football, and not the American bastardization,
either
Message no. 7
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:00:58 -0400
At 03:48 PM 9/1/98 EDT, you wrote:

>> Baseball, as
>> described in Wolf and Raven seems to be trying but I think it would be
>> lower than these 3-4.
>
>This is accurate in a real world perspective. Baseball is falling in
>popilarity every year. I am a sports fanatic and I haven't watched a full 9
>inning game in more years than I care to count. There isn't enough action. I
>can see the fast moving 6th world leaving the sport behind.

True enough. BUT think about how the game might change with cyberware and
adepts *and* metahumans. You could a cybered troll that would make Mark
McGwire look like a Little League benchwarmer. An elf adept that makes Ted
Williams look like that Mendoza fellow (you know, the Mendoza line in
baseball, batting .200 or below, that poor sap).

I'd think the game of baseball would become both higher scoring and more
exciting to watch. It's still baseball, which means it'll never be as
action packed as say, basketball. But it *should* be much more fun to watch.

I seem to recall that reaction enhancements, muscle improvements and
specialized smartgun/targeting links are very common bits of 'ware. Take
all that, add it to natural talent, and suddenly 61 home runs doesn't seem
like much of a record anymore...

Erik J.

Who hasn't been to a baseball game in several years but is still pulling
for "his" Angels!
Message no. 8
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:23:49 EDT
In a message dated 9/1/98 4:12:05 PM AST, chris_hayes@*******.COM writes:

> Can you imagine if Baseball allowed cyber enhancements how big the park
> would have to be? Can you imagine Mark McGuire with Muscle Replacement and
> a cyberarm? The park would have to be around 800 to 1000 yards. The
> distance between bases would have to be around 100. I'm not sure if
> Baseball could survive.
>

Mark McGuire cybered. I think who couldn't survive would be fans in the
outfield bleachers. They would have to add deaths in the stands to the
boxscores.
Message no. 9
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:26:38 EDT
In a message dated 9/1/98 4:38:29 PM AST, chrome@********.ORG writes:

> What if they made the baseballs heavier?
>

Mark McGuire cybered hitting shotputs into the outfield stands. Yep, sounds
like a 6th world game to me. I wouldn't ever miss ESPN highlight shows.
Message no. 10
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:39:02 -0400
At 04:30 PM 9/1/98 -0400, you wrote:

>> Can you imagine if Baseball allowed cyber enhancements how big
the park
>> would have to be? Can you imagine Mark McGuire with Muscle Replacement and
>> a cyberarm? The park would have to be around 800 to 1000 yards. The
>> distance between bases would have to be around 100. I'm not sure if
>> Baseball could survive.
>
>You mean on *top* of that stuff he's already keeping in his locker?

First of all, baseball *does* allow cyber enchantments, as per Shadowbeat.

Second, I'm going to cut this second part of the thread off at the knees
right here. There are a lot of misconceptions regarding "that stuff" and a
hell of a lot of media hype not to mention ignorance.

Androstendione is NOT a steroid, it is the same class of pro-hormones as
DHEA. It does not provide the level of serum testosterone that steroids do
(300% vs. 3000%). It has so far been proven to be totally safe; enough so
that the FDA is allowing it for over the counter sale.

Andro provides a serum testosterone increase of about 300% over normal for
the space of about 3 to 4 hours. It is normally taken before a workout to
provide additional strength, energy and recovery ability (hard sessions
with weights are very draining).

To my knowledge, Mark McGwire does not take andro before a game; he takes
it before working out.

So andro does NOT have a direct impact on the way Mark plays the game. It
DOES affect what he gets out of the weight room, which THEN can affect how
he hits the ball. But Mark was a very talented hitter long before he ever
took andro.

Go pick up any bodybuilding magazine for the last several months; they've
all been reporting news, lab data, testimonials and various information
regarding Andro and it's various cousins such as 5-Andro and 19-Nor. At
least the reputable magazines, such as Ironman, have a solid reputation for
providing proper citations and references to scientific studies.

It's safe, it's legal (here in the US anyway, not in Canada) and it's only
a small edge, not the major hoo-haa that the media seems to think it is.

Trust me on this.

Erik J.


http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
The Reality Check for a Fictional World
Message no. 11
From: David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:42:18 -0400
On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Rick Riessen wrote:

->> Can you imagine if Baseball allowed cyber enhancements how big the
->park
->>would have to be? Can you imagine Mark McGuire with Muscle Replacement and
->>a cyberarm? The park would have to be around 800 to 1000 yards. The
->>distance between bases would have to be around 100. I'm not sure if
->>Baseball could survive.
->
->What if they made the baseballs heavier?

You'd have lots of dead players...

"I got it! I got it! Ooooooooooooo........"
<Ambulance sirens>

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 12
From: Dhl9@***.COM
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 13:11:55 EDT
In a message dated 9/1/98 6:40:01 PM AST, erikj@****.COM writes:

> To my knowledge, Mark McGwire does not take andro before a game; he takes
> it before working out.
>
> So andro does NOT have a direct impact on the way Mark plays the game. It
> DOES affect what he gets out of the weight room, which THEN can affect how
> he hits the ball. But Mark was a very talented hitter long before he ever
> took andro.
>

It doesn't matter if he does take it right before games. It is legal in
baseball.

> Go pick up any bodybuilding magazine for the last several months; they've
> all been reporting news, lab data, testimonials and various information
> regarding Andro and it's various cousins such as 5-Andro and 19-Nor. At
> least the reputable magazines, such as Ironman, have a solid reputation for
> providing proper citations and references to scientific studies.
>
> It's safe, it's legal (here in the US anyway, not in Canada) and it's only
> a small edge, not the major hoo-haa that the media seems to think it is.
>

Legal by lawa but none of the other major sports allow it. Paul Wiggins, a
Pittsburgh Steeler offensive tackle, was just suspended 4 games by the NFL for
using it.

You know what is really amazing about this? Creatine is passed out by most NFL
teams to the players.
Message no. 13
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sports 2060 (was:Re: [OT] football...)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 15:20:35 -0400
At 01:11 PM 9/2/98 EDT, you wrote:

>> So andro does NOT have a direct impact on the way Mark plays the game. It
>> DOES affect what he gets out of the weight room, which THEN can affect how
>> he hits the ball. But Mark was a very talented hitter long before he ever
>> took andro.
>>
>It doesn't matter if he does take it right before games. It is legal in
>baseball.

True. It may not be next season though.

>Legal by lawa but none of the other major sports allow it. Paul Wiggins, a
>Pittsburgh Steeler offensive tackle, was just suspended 4 games by the NFL
for
>using it.

Again, true. Saw that in the papers yesterday I think.

>You know what is really amazing about this? Creatine is passed out by most
NFL
>teams to the players.

Except Creatine really is safe (while Andro is too new to really say, but
indicators point to it being safe). All the deaths that have been claimed
to have been linked to Creatine are outright false when it comes down to
it. All those poor kids would have died anyway, typically from
dehydration. Some wrestlers that died were wearing rubber suits, not
eating and doing insane cardio work to get down to wrestling weight. Yet
it was Creatine that the parents, the school and the media blamed.

I've been taking Creatine for years now and I've never heard of a single
story nor read a credible article/news report that indicates that Creatine
is anything but safe.

Erik J.


http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
The Reality Check for a Fictional World

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