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Message no. 1
From: "NEAL T. MOSS" <ntmoss@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Sprawl Maps GAK
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 20:38:17 -0500
Well folks went to pick up Sprawl Maps and soon realized that I wasn't
going to spend 15 smacks on 8 lousy maps. FA$A must be high that's all
I'll say....

Tsunami......
Message no. 2
From: "Robert A. Hayden" <hayden@*******.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sprawl Maps GAK
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 1994 23:59:56 -0600
On Thu, 31 Mar 1994, NEAL T. MOSS wrote:

> Well folks went to pick up Sprawl Maps and soon realized that I wasn't
> going to spend 15 smacks on 8 lousy maps. FA$A must be high that's all
> I'll say....

FA$A is suffering from the same disease that T$R suffers from. Selling
cheap crap that really isn't much good just to squeeze every buck out of
the market that they can.

This started with SRII, which really wasn't much more than a bug fix for
SRI, and spread to the grim-thingyII and then an SRII version of the SSC,
the Riggers Black Book, etc etc.

FASA, it appears, has given up on releasing GOOD material. The last
release that I remember that was really good was ShadowTech, and VR just
ahead of that. Since then they seem to all have been mil-products.

Now, if FA$A decides to sell a $15 catalog of products liek T$R did,
that's it. I've giving up and switching to GURPS. At least THEY release
original and interesting material (I heartily recommend CyberWorld and
TerraDyne if you want to spice up your campaign).

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Message no. 3
From: Gian-Paolo Musumeci <musumeci@***.LIS.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sprawl Maps GAK
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 10:18:16 -0600
White Wolf's Vampire: The Masquerade is pretty good at releasing good stuff.
The artwork alone is worth the price, IMHO...

Gian-Paolo "I got Tim Bradstreet's autograph -- three times -- in my Vampire
books! Yesssss!" Musumeci
Message no. 4
From: Timothy Skirvin <tskirvin@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sprawl Maps GAK
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 21:06:11 -0500
> FA$A is suffering from the same disease that T$R suffers from.
> Selling
> cheap crap that really isn't much good just to squeeze every buck
> out of the market that they can.

No, actually they've done quite well. For instance, the BTech Tactical
Handbook just came out, and they had the price LOWER than announced. The book
is pretty bad, but it was cheap.

> This started with SRII, which really wasn't much more than a bug
> fix for SRI, and spread to the grim-thingyII and then an SRII
> version of the SSC, the Riggers Black Book, etc etc.

SRII seems to have changed quite a bit. GrimII is actually useful, more
than the GrimI that I've seen. SSC was not required if you didnt want it, and
I didn't even know there was a SRII version of the Rigger's book...

> FASA, it appears, has given up on releasing GOOD material. The
> last release that I remember that was really good was ShadowTech,
> and VR just ahead of that. Since then they seem to all have been
> mil-products.

They've been doing sourcebooks for a while. That's the difference.
Fields of Fire ought to change that...

> Now, if FA$A decides to sell a $15 catalog of products liek T$R
> did, that's it. I've giving up and switching to GURPS. At least
> THEY release

Agreed, if they do that I'll be quite offended too. But I can't see
them doing that any time soon...

----------------------- "Well, you see, they took the Bible literally.
Tim Skirvin Adam and Eve, the snake and the apple...took
(tskirvin@ it word for word. Unfortunately, their
superdec.uni.uiuc.edu) version had a misprint."
----------------------- - Rimmer, Red Dwarf (The Last Day)
Message no. 5
From: Necromancer <shilberg@********.UNI.UIUC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sprawl Maps GAK
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 21:30:22 -0500
I thought the recent location sourcebooks <TT, TNO, Germany> were pretty good.

-------------
Steve Hilberg <shilberg@********.uni.uiuc.edu>
aka Jarred Wellsley <Necromancer>
aka Phaeros Lostchilde <Archlich of the Dark Order, High Necromancer
of Zalanthas>
Play Armageddon <studsys.mscs.mu.edu 4444>!
Message no. 6
From: J Gavigan <csc086@*****.LANCS.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: Sprawl Maps GAK.. ==
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 04:01:37 +0100
>>>>>[ Necromancer wrote:
=I thought the recent location sourcebooks <TT, TNO, Germany> were pretty good.
Hmph! The Tir na nOg sourcebook would have been twice as good if
a) The two guys who were writing it had a clue about Ireland, and
b) There wasn't a black hole in the postal service somewhere between TDLoN's
office and my home in Ireland...
Luckily, I managed to persuade him that calling the country Tir nan Og, as it
is in the London Sourcebook, would be fairly stupid, considering that elves
would know how to speak Gaelic pretty well, and wouldn't make the same
spelling mistakes as Marc and Carl did...
Which reminds me.. I'd better get another copy - I had three but ended up
using them as prizes at a convention where we were stuck for Shadowrun prizes
last year... ]<<<<<
--Dodger[03:01:15GMT/04-04-55]
Message no. 7
From: Jai Tao <jdfalk@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Sprawl Maps GAK
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 23:51:19 -0400
On Sun, 3 Apr 1994, Necromancer wrote:

> I thought the recent location sourcebooks <TT, TNO, Germany> were pretty good.
>
Yeah, me too -- just a little limited in interest (for example,
Tir Nan Og -- or however its capitalized -- is of little use in a campaign
which stays in North America.)
Me, I like it that way -- just take what you need and leave the
rest. Of course, T$R has taken that to extremes, but that's what earned
them the dollar sign. *grin*
Message no. 8
From: Brett Ryan Brown <calvinoi@********.SCRI.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sprawl Maps GAK
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 17:19:56 18000
I just wanted to voive my advocacy for the Germany sourcebook and
other location books, as well. I own the Germany sourcebook, and I
feel that it is very well written, from the perspective of Germans for
the perspective of Germans (it was originaly written by a German
gaming co. and was edited and translated into English..well, most of
it.) Agreed, some of the FASA ShadowRun books aren't worth the paper
they're printed on, but I really think that saying that recent books
in general suck is being unfair to those books that don't.
-L8TR chummers,
-Calvinoi MindFly (known as Hobbis)
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