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Message no. 1
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:11:05 -0400 (EDT)
At 12:09 AM 8/26/96 -0600, Piatro wrote:
>Ubiquitous wrote:

>>Dual-natured critters always have an astral presence and the ability to
>>assense, without penalty to performing mundane actions, I might add. Using
>>thermo and lowlite makes no sense with astral sight, because you see
>>everything when assensing as if brightly light.
>
>But _astrally_ you are not seeing what is physically there. I don't
>have my book handy, but as I recall the astral plane is made up of the
>emotional life energy of living things.

*shrug* When's the last time you found a barghast that could read? *grin*
I'm not sure how (if) dragons can read.

>This is why mages have to physically project in order to read road signs or
>determine other things about the physical world. This information can only be
>as good as the physical eyes that are seeing it.

IMHO, a astrally projecting mage who "manifests" still won't be able to
read road signs. He's still astral! The same goes for assensing.

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"I dyde shyte thre grete toordes." Fables of Aesop,
Caxton translation,
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Message no. 2
From: readle.cr@**.com
Subject: Re[2]: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: 26 Aug 96 10:43:00 -0400
*shrug* When's the last time you found a barghast that could read? *grin*
I'm not sure how (if) dragons can read.

Hmmm, I imagine that a creature that is 7000+ years old with an
intelligence in the 20's can read....maybe not ENGLISH but something.

chris
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Message no. 3
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 14:19:17 -0500 (EST)
>IMHO, a astrally projecting mage who "manifests" still won't be able to
>read road signs. He's still astral! The same goes for assensing.

IMHO or not - that has been the official stance from FASA.
Normal printed material gives off no clue to its contents unless there is
strong emotional content involved.
Unless the road sign in question was used in a murder, or has a lot of
people stare at it and hate it regularly (A distinct possibility) then it
gives off no astral information other than size and shape.
So just on shape alone, you can spot a stop sign.



The Way of the Hero

In each truly heroic struggle there is a time of commitment.
A time when human energies fail, yet more is required . . . and more is given.
Few are equal to that task.
Often that effort ends in failure, for victory is not always for the brave.
But where a man might falter, these ones do not, not while life and spirit
endure.
Not until the last measure is given.
To transcend the man, become the hero.
Message no. 4
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:27:04 +0000
On 26 Aug 96 at 10:11, Ubiquitous wrote:
> IMHO, a astrally projecting mage who "manifests" still won't be able to
> read road signs. He's still astral! The same goes for assensing.
Agreed. The magician just makes himself "visible" to the physical plane, but
keeps assensing. And has (of course) no physical existance (can't handle
things).


Sascha
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Message no. 5
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 10:52:45 +0100
Ubiquitous said on 10:11/26 Aug 96...

> *shrug* When's the last time you found a barghast that could read? *grin*
> I'm not sure how (if) dragons can read.

I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to read... With the high
intelligence they obviously have, I think they shouldn't find it too
difficult to learn.

> IMHO, a astrally projecting mage who "manifests" still won't be able to
> read road signs. He's still astral! The same goes for assensing.

Me too! :)

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Message no. 6
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 96 20:52:49 +1100
>IMHO, a astrally projecting mage who "manifests" still won't be able to
>read road signs. He's still astral! The same goes for assensing.

Imagine, if you will, a power focus that's a good surface for engraving,
like an amulet or a bracelet or something. And some good work at making
the traditional engravings into a map. :)


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Message no. 7
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 07:22:03 -0600 (MDT)
Robert Watkins wrote:
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|>IMHO, a astrally projecting mage who "manifests" still won't be able to
|>read road signs. He's still astral! The same goes for assensing.
|
|Imagine, if you will, a power focus that's a good surface for engraving,
|like an amulet or a bracelet or something. And some good work at making
|the traditional engravings into a map. :)

Or, put the "engravings" below the surface so that only an
astrally perceiving mage can see them. :)

If you really want to drive the players crazy: make a
rectangular map, cut it up into four or five rectangular
sections of equal size, wrap each section around different
segments of a staff. For this to work the map has to be a
little abstract, i.e. not readily apparent until it's put
back together. And, don't put in the straight lines that
define the edges of the map.

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Message no. 8
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 12:54:11 -0500 (EST)
>Imagine, if you will, a power focus that's a good surface for engraving,
>like an amulet or a bracelet or something. And some good work at making
>the traditional engravings into a map. :)

That's a heck of an idea!!
Never considered the thought at all, but I like it! :-)
After all, wouldn't mages figure out someway to navigate astrally?
Maybe the "roadmad" would also include astral landmarks, like large trees,
pools of water. Items that CAN be seen and easily identified from astral space!

This could be very useful! Thanks!



The Way of the Hero

In each truly heroic struggle there is a time of commitment.
A time when human energies fail, yet more is required . . . and more is given.
Few are equal to that task.
Often that effort ends in failure, for victory is not always for the brave.
But where a man might falter, these ones do not, not while life and spirit
endure.
Not until the last measure is given.
To transcend the man, become the hero.
Message no. 9
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 19:50:12 -0400 (EDT)
At 07:22 AM 8/28/96 -0600, you wrote:

>If you really want to drive the players crazy: make a
>rectangular map, cut it up into four or five rectangular
>sections of equal size, wrap each section around different
>segments of a staff. For this to work the map has to be a
>little abstract, i.e. not readily apparent until it's put
>back together. And, don't put in the straight lines that
>define the edges of the map.
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Do you mean like wrapping it around the staff like a candycane stripe, in
the same way they used to encode stuff?

--
"I dyde shyte thre grete toordes." Fables of Aesop,
Caxton translation,
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Message no. 10
From: dbuehrer@****.org (David Buehrer)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dual Natured
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 16:40:51 -0600 (MDT)
Ubiquitous wrote:
|
|At 07:22 AM 8/28/96 -0600, you wrote:
|
|>If you really want to drive the players crazy: make a
|>rectangular map, cut it up into four or five rectangular
|>sections of equal size, wrap each section around different
|>segments of a staff. For this to work the map has to be a
|>little abstract, i.e. not readily apparent until it's put
|>back together. And, don't put in the straight lines that
|>define the edges of the map.
|>
|
|Do you mean like wrapping it around the staff like a candycane stripe, in
|the same way they used to encode stuff?

Yes. It's similar to doing the "candycane stripe" type
wrap. But I've found that if you do that the players
figure it out to easily. At least My players did (we
probably read the same secret code books when we were
kids). Imagine cutting a map into sections, rolling the
sections into tubes, and fitting the tubes together to form
one long tube.

-David

/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\ dbuehrer@****.org /^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\/^\
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underpants in a dryer without Cling Free."
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