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Message no. 1
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:08:51 -0400 (EDT)
At 01:29 PM 8/12/96 -0500, Steven wrote:
>>At 12:56 AM 8/12/96 -0500, you wrote:

>>>Hey, don't laugh, I have used time travel in SR.
>>>Originally, I planned to use the theme as just a silly one off adventure,
>>>but my players really bought into the idea.
>>>I basically explained it as a ritual that connected the players minds to
>>>past lives. They "time-walked" back to the assassination of UCAS
president
>>>Garrety, and bumped him off.
>>
>>You've been watching Dark Shadows, haven't you? *grin*
>
>Actually no, never seen it? Why?

It's a way cool "gothic" soap opera from the late 60's.

Every once in awhile, a character would do some time traveling, and oddly
enough, the people in the past were portrayed by the same set of actors!

Anyhow, this one arc is starting to play out in which Barnabus travels to
1896 and possesses himself...

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Message no. 2
From: Mike and Jill Johnson <shadow@*****.com>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:01:03 -0600
Anyone else notice that Harlequin didn't get anything in the will?

Dr Feelgood
Message no. 3
From: Max Rible <cheshire@*****.com>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:06:13 -0800
At 13:01 8/19/96 -0600, Mike and Jill Johnson wrote:
>Anyone else notice that Harlequin didn't get anything in the will?

Sure he did. The armor of Richard the Lion Hearted, along with Excalibur.
Harlequin is the last Knight of the Crying Spire, if you read _Harlequin's
Back_...
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Message no. 4
From: Dave Weinstein <dhw@******.com>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 15:05:55 EDT
Dr Feelgood wrote:
# Anyone else notice that Harlequin didn't get anything in the will?

You mean other than a suit of Lionheart's armor and (if the Dunklezahn
Institute can find it) Excalibur?

--Dave

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Message no. 5
From: James <james@***.unm.EDU>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:18:36 -0600 (MDT)
On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Mike and Jill Johnson wrote:

> Anyone else notice that Harlequin didn't get anything in the will?
Someone said that he got King Richard's Armor, but in the will was
referred to as "The Last Knight of the Crying Spire", or similar. That
was a name Harlequinn was referred to in the short story at the
beginning of "Harlequinn's Back".

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_If_ you have a failing."
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Message no. 6
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:58:42 GMT
Dave Weinstein writes

> Dr Feelgood wrote:
> # Anyone else notice that Harlequin didn't get anything in the will?
>
> You mean other than a suit of Lionheart's armor and (if the Dunklezahn
> Institute can find it) Excalibur?
>
See either HB or the origonal flyer for the note Harlequin is the
last night of the crying spire.
His namein House of the Sun is more like, 'Quintin Harlech' than the
names some folks have been throwing about.

Anyway. Dunkelzahns Secrets. (this section safe reading)
I have now read it, good read but. There are no staggering masses of
information handouts in the book, there are no rules, no long lists
of magical techniques from ED etc. You probably need to have read
most of the books to get the most out of it but even if you just have
a reasonable selection there are loads and loads of ideas for
shadowruns in this book.
If your players are the very mercenary sort you could wave 1 million
bounties in front of them (ok after the frist one they may understand
why blood mages/toxic shamen are worth it but!)

Most of the book is posts of info to shadowland, discussions of
events described at the front (on the back cover!) and tales of
shadowruns sparked off by events. Some of folks wanting to know whats
going on, background on runs etc.

Assimilating all the stuff in this book could take a long........... time.


[for those that know the big event]





















Dunks will contains a lot of interesting items, from the 'Everliving
Flower' local ED GM won't tell us much about that! but consider who
got it back. A lot of the immortals are mentioned, there are also a
couple of 'missing' Da Vinchies, now considering certain novels....

The list of goodies that are probably ED pattern items is 30 or so!
long.
We seem to have Ehran decided to actively join the war against the
Enemy. Speaking og which they never get mentioned but certain floks
seem to really dance about the subject.

As to what happened to Dunk, well no proof, like no body and no one
actually saw him die as such. The limo blew up in a silent bang,
nothing was left. All we can say for sure was big big magic occured.
If it was actually an assasination (not actually proven 100%) the
Azzies using blood magic or working through a Horror (being from the
enemy) they summoned seems the most plausible culprit but no one in
the book suggests this.

Comments awaited

Mark
Message no. 7
From: kumquat@*****.com
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:31:16 -0500
SH>Anyone else notice that Harlequin didn't get anything in the will?

SH>Dr Feelgood
Sorry... but yer wrong.... Harlequin aka "The Last Knight of the Crying
Spire" (an order of knights from ED) Recieved the Armor of Sir Richard
the Lionhearted, and the sword Excalibur (should anyone be able to find
it). Note that the "Big D's" request was that these items, reminiscent
of the last Crusade, are to be given to Harlequin to symbolize his role
in leading the next one... (i.e. against the Horrors)

Just My Two Pence.
The Kumquat.

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Message no. 8
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:26:16 +0100
kumquat@*****.com said on 14:31/20 Aug 96...

> SH>Anyone else notice that Harlequin didn't get anything in the will?
>
> Sorry... but yer wrong.... Harlequin aka "The Last Knight of the Crying
> Spire" (an order of knights from ED) Recieved the Armor of Sir Richard
> the Lionhearted, and the sword Excalibur (should anyone be able to find
> it). Note that the "Big D's" request was that these items, reminiscent
> of the last Crusade, are to be given to Harlequin to symbolize his role
> in leading the next one... (i.e. against the Horrors)

I'm wondering what Excalibur has to do with the crusades... The first
crusade was in the 11th century (give or take a hundred years) while
Excalibur was King Arthur's sword, right? I'm not an expert on British
mythology (which I think King Arthur belongs to), but AFAIK he was a 5th
or 6th century figure, IOW 500 years before anyone even started thinking
about a crusade to "liberate" Jerusalem...

Richard the Lionheart's armor is understandable from the "upcoming
crusade" idea, seeing that he was an important figure during the crusades
(third crusade, I think) but this poses the question of what's left of the
armor. 12th century knights wore mostly chainmail...

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Message no. 9
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:30:46 GMT
Gurth writes

> I'm wondering what Excalibur has to do with the crusades... The first
> crusade was in the 11th century (give or take a hundred years) while
> Excalibur was King Arthur's sword, right?
yes.
> I'm not an expert on British
> mythology (which I think King Arthur belongs to), but AFAIK he was a 5th
> or 6th century figure, IOW 500 years before anyone even started thinking
> about a crusade to "liberate" Jerusalem...
>
i cannot remember the dates though from the way these two pieces of
kit are mentioned they are special, and one person is unlikely to
leave two special (pattern?) items behind, hence two folks kit to get
armour plus sword?

> Richard the Lionheart's armor is understandable from the "upcoming
> crusade" idea, seeing that he was an important figure during the crusades
> (third crusade, I think) but this poses the question of what's left of the
> armor. 12th century knights wore mostly chainmail...
>
If it was important enough to become a pattern item even in the low
magic cycle that would help preserve it, you've read ED.

Mark
Message no. 10
From: Mike and Jill Johnson <shadow@*****.com>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:12:31 -0600
At 04:23 AM 8/20/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Dave Weinstein writes
>
>> Dr Feelgood wrote:
>> # Anyone else notice that Harlequin didn't get anything in the will?
>>
>> You mean other than a suit of Lionheart's armor and (if the Dunklezahn
>> Institute can find it) Excalibur?
>>
>See either HB or the origonal flyer for the note Harlequin is the
>last night of the crying spire.
>His namein House of the Sun is more like, 'Quintin Harlech' than the
>names some folks have been throwing about.
>
Boy do I feel stupid now... Even having read and run both harlequin modules
I completly forgot about him being the last knight of the crying spire....
<banging head on desk> sheesh and I call myself a shadowrun GM.. :>

BTW how much do you reccomend getting all the ED books for use as background
material? I doubt we'll play it but I'd like to read it...

Dr Feelgood
Message no. 11
From: "John F. Lee" <jfl666@*.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:44:33 -0700 (PDT)
> Gurth writes
>
> > I'm wondering what Excalibur has to do with the crusades... The first
> > crusade was in the 11th century (give or take a hundred years) while
> > Excalibur was King Arthur's sword, right?
> yes.
> > I'm not an expert on British
> > mythology (which I think King Arthur belongs to), but AFAIK he was a 5th
> > or 6th century figure, IOW 500 years before anyone even started thinking
> > about a crusade to "liberate" Jerusalem...
> >

The Legend of King Arthur, last time I checked, takes place generally
between AD 500 and the 1st Crusade. And, since he was King of the
Britons, one might assume that his reign was some time before
1066, when the Normans took over. However, there is historical evidence
of a half Welsh/half Roman warlord named "Arcturus" commanding the Britons
against the Romans before that time.

As for what he has to do with the Crusades, didn't he make his own trip to
the Near East in search of the Grail?
Message no. 12
From: kumquat@*****.com
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:14:36 -0500
SH>I'm wondering what Excalibur has to do with the crusades... The first
SH>crusade was in the 11th century (give or take a hundred years) while
SH>Excalibur was King Arthur's sword, right? I'm not an expert on British
SH>mythology (which I think King Arthur belongs to), but AFAIK he was a 5th
SH>or 6th century figure, IOW 500 years before anyone even started thinking
SH>about a crusade to "liberate" Jerusalem...

SH>Richard the Lionheart's armor is understandable from the "upcoming
SH>crusade" idea, seeing that he was an important figure during the crusades
SH>(third crusade, I think) but this poses the question of what's left of the
SH>armor. 12th century knights wore mostly chainmail...

I believe that the nature of attributing Excalibur to the crusades is a
symbolic one. After the formerly pagan legends of Arthur and his Knights
began to be retold by Christian scribes and monks, Arthur (and
Launcelot, to some extent) were attributed the "powers of God", to
explain the mystical or fay powers granted them. Remember, Christians
would see Merlin, Morgana, and the Lady of the Lake as minions of Satan,
so instead, the holy crusading "paladins" were created. I could go on,
but this is not a forum for the discussion of English Literature and
History...<smirk>

As for 12th Century Knights typically wearing chainmail... this is not
exactly true. 12th Century armor was usually comprised of at least 4
layers. The bottom layer was a padded coat, used to shield the body
from impact, covered by a "coat of plates", what we commonly refer to as
splint mail in fantasy gaming. Over this "plate mail", a lighter suit of
rings, or chainmail was worn, usually with addtional pieces of full
plate over vital areas (ie elbows, armpits, sometimes heart/ribs).
Finally, a tabard with the knights coat of arms was placed over the
whole affair, to keep the sun from baking the medieval "walking tank"
alive. An Immortal Elf in all this garb, is, to say the least... an
amusing image....

Just my Two Pence.
The Kumquat.

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Message no. 13
From: Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 22:36:27 -0500 (CDT)
On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Gurth wrote:

> kumquat@*****.com said on 14:31/20 Aug 96...
>
> > SH>Anyone else notice that Harlequin didn't get anything in the will?
> >
> > Sorry... but yer wrong.... Harlequin aka "The Last Knight of the Crying
> > Spire" (an order of knights from ED) Recieved the Armor of Sir Richard
> > the Lionhearted, and the sword Excalibur (should anyone be able to find
> > it). Note that the "Big D's" request was that these items, reminiscent
> > of the last Crusade, are to be given to Harlequin to symbolize his role
> > in leading the next one... (i.e. against the Horrors)
>
> I'm wondering what Excalibur has to do with the crusades... The first
> crusade was in the 11th century (give or take a hundred years) while
> Excalibur was King Arthur's sword, right? I'm not an expert on British
> mythology (which I think King Arthur belongs to), but AFAIK he was a 5th
> or 6th century figure, IOW 500 years before anyone even started thinking
> about a crusade to "liberate" Jerusalem...

What was belived to be the body of King Arthur was found in England just
before the crusade Richard went on (was it 3rd or 4th) the coffin said I
belive 'here lies your once and future king'. Richard took the sword
from the coffin on the crusade don't know what hapened to it after that.

Stephen
Austin, TX

>
> Richard the Lionheart's armor is understandable from the "upcoming
> crusade" idea, seeing that he was an important figure during the crusades
> (third crusade, I think) but this poses the question of what's left of the
> armor. 12th century knights wore mostly chainmail...
>
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Message no. 14
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 08:37:26 GMT
Mike and Jill Johnson write

> Boy do I feel stupid now... Even having read and run both harlequin modules
> I completly forgot about him being the last knight of the crying spire....
> <banging head on desk> sheesh and I call myself a shadowrun GM.. :>
>
> BTW how much do you reccomend getting all the ED books for use as background
> material? I doubt we'll play it but I'd like to read it...
>
well i've only read the main ED book, Denzines 1 and the adepts way.
The main book explains ED, but you won't use very much of it in SR
the sitation is very different and ED abiliteis are mostly based on
talents, something which the immortals have not yet given away, the
Tir Na nOg paths are the closest and even they are not as powerful as
buying things at talent costs.

The stuff on elves in Denzines one explains some of the elven
background, i think this is the book that gives you an idea why the
elves and dragons don't get on, though some might be in the main book
(had to do with a dragon munching on the elves queen). Also includes
a couple of paragraphs on the 'city of shining spires!'

Adepts way is all about ED characters.

As to how much SR background there is not much. A lot of the ED
background stuff is interesting but the stuffs spread over the ED
compaion, magic book, horrors and creature bok as well, then the
Atalntis stuff will be in Thera/Vivane, etc. Thats not very good
information density, i know a LOT and i doubt its worth me buying the
companion even (and thats got lightbearers in it[if you have heard
of them]) and i've played a years ED. Stuff is simply spread over too
many books and very little is of direct use as the ED and SR
situations and magic systems are so different. Similarly the effect
Horrors have on the astral if done properly makes them nearly immune
to SR style magic. Very big guns will work on the more physical
stuff, but they work on dragons, such critters are not usually silly
enough to stay in front of an MBT for long enough though.

> Dr Feelgood
>
Try Gurth i think hes read more ED

Mark
Message no. 15
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:41:19 +0100
John F. Lee said on 12:44/21 Aug 96...

> As for what he has to do with the Crusades, didn't he make his own trip to
> the Near East in search of the Grail?

I don't know, most of my King Arthur knowledge comes from Monty Python :)

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Message no. 16
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:41:19 +0100
kumquat@*****.com said on 15:14/21 Aug 96...

> As for 12th Century Knights typically wearing chainmail... this is not
> exactly true. 12th Century armor was usually comprised of at least 4
> layers. The bottom layer was a padded coat, used to shield the body
> from impact, covered by a "coat of plates", what we commonly refer to as
> splint mail in fantasy gaming. Over this "plate mail", a lighter suit of
> rings, or chainmail was worn, usually with addtional pieces of full
> plate over vital areas (ie elbows, armpits, sometimes heart/ribs).
> Finally, a tabard with the knights coat of arms was placed over the
> whole affair, to keep the sun from baking the medieval "walking tank"
> alive. An Immortal Elf in all this garb, is, to say the least... an
> amusing image....

Not that this is supposed to sound like I'm saying "I knew that!", but...
I knew that. But any of that surviving around 900 years would be fragile,
to say the least. The chain mail could still be relatively undamaged,
provided it hasn't rusted of course. Although, if it's a pattern or
otherwise magical item (as Mark suggested) there would be very few
worries... Destroy it and it re-appears somewhere else, wasn't it?

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Message no. 17
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:41:19 +0100
Mark Steedman said on 8:37/22 Aug 96...

> Mike and Jill Johnson write
>
> > BTW how much do you reccomend getting all the ED books for use as background
> > material? I doubt we'll play it but I'd like to read it...

If you're only looking for things you can use in an SR campaign, you'd do
best to borrow ED books off someone else instead of buying them
yourselves. As Mark said, information is pretty much spread out between
the various books, and many of them don't contain much of SR-relevant
information.

> i doubt its worth me buying the companion even (and thats got
> lightbearers in it[if you have heard of them]) and i've played a years
> ED.

The Companion doesn't have much background information, it's more a book
with options for players and GMs, like more ways to roleplay your
character (discipline advancement rituals for example), ship combat rules,
more magic items, creature design rules, and so on.

> Similarly the effect Horrors have on the astral if done properly makes
> them nearly immune to SR style magic. Very big guns will work on the
> more physical stuff, but they work on dragons, such critters are not
> usually silly enough to stay in front of an MBT for long enough though.

Not only are they virtually immune to SR magic, but it'd work like a flare
to attract them... And most of the Horrors are so powerful you'd have a
really hard time hurting them anyway, yes... Although one thing here: if
you plan on running a Horrors-in-SR campaign, the ED Horrors book is not a
bad investment, IMHO. You'd have to change the stats over to SR, but from
a bit of comparing it seems most of them could be used as-is, numbers-wise
that is. The mandatory warning here is that it gives *very* high-powereed
creatures: Attributes of 20+ are not all that high...

> Try Gurth i think hes read more ED

I've got a number of the books, but I haven't played it much -- I'm always
stuck being the GM, and I'm kinda low on FRP adventure ideas :/

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Message no. 18
From: Robert Watkins <robertdw@*******.net.au>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 23:36:39 +1100
>As for what he has to do with the Crusades, didn't he make his own trip to
>the Near East in search of the Grail?

No... he sent his Knights off to do it. OTH, the whole Grail Quest bit is
embrodairy that was added to an already solid mythos to make it more
suitable for the Christian era.
(Galahad and two other knights ended up finding the Grail in Aramathea, I
think. It's been a while. Galahad was allowed to look in to the grail, at
which point he died in rapture)


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Message no. 19
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:43:47 GMT
Gurth writes

> Although, if it's a pattern or
> otherwise magical item (as Mark suggested) there would be very few
> worries... Destroy it and it re-appears somewhere else, wasn't it?
>
Only core pattern items are that lucky though the lesser ratings
would confer some protection, certainly vs aging.

Mark
Message no. 20
From: "Mark Steedman" <M.J.Steedman@***.rgu.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Dunkelzahn...........
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 08:54:20 GMT
Gurth writes

> Mark Steedman said on 8:37/22 Aug 96...
>
> > i doubt its worth me buying the companion even (and thats got
> > lightbearers in it[if you have heard of them]) and i've played a years
> > ED.
>
> The Companion doesn't have much background information, it's more a book
> with options for players and GMs, like more ways to roleplay your
> character (discipline advancement rituals for example), ship combat rules,
> more magic items, creature design rules, and so on.
>
Yeah. The syuff i am interested in is mostly lightbearers, as i reccon
theres at least 1 in SR, and i've met them in game, we had a PC loose
with there ability at rank 10! The other thing is its got most of the
circle 9 and 10 spells, and all the circle 9 through 15 talents. This
info would give me a much better idea what is what when high powered
stuff starts flying about, dealing with immortal elves etc. But the
ratio of interesting let alons useful stuff in there has got to be
very low.

> > Similarly the effect Horrors have on the astral if done properly makes
> > them nearly immune to SR style magic. Very big guns will work on the
> > more physical stuff, but they work on dragons, such critters are not
> > usually silly enough to stay in front of an MBT for long enough though.
>
> Not only are they virtually immune to SR magic, but it'd work like a flare
> to attract them... And most of the Horrors are so powerful you'd have a
> really hard time hurting them anyway, yes... Although one thing here: if
> you plan on running a Horrors-in-SR campaign, the ED Horrors book is not a
> bad investment, IMHO. You'd have to change the stats over to SR, but from
> a bit of comparing it seems most of them could be used as-is, numbers-wise
> that is. The mandatory warning here is that it gives *very* high-powereed
> creatures: Attributes of 20+ are not all that high...
>
After a friend set some ED characters sailing under Parlainth i know
a few things. As i know at least the ED system and lots of SR i
helped be a sounding board for system conversions. Its not to bad
getting a simple conversion going, for the big critters 'attribute
step - 2 = SR attribute' is about right however the systems are not
fully compatible. ED armour and SR armour values come out about
comparable but while ED armour effects on incomings are linear, SR is
not. Also the unintelligent critters often have perception steps in
ED much better than their SR intelligence would be.
Conversions as a GM if you know the two games are not too bad but i
wouldn't like to see anything but the best roleplayers loose with
active system conversions, eg changing stuff back and forth
themselves over time. The other item noted was that PC's with ED
durability really can walk through some very nasty weapons, this is
something where the big SR critters really loose unless you cheat and
give them more than 10 damage boxes.

Mark

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