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Message no. 1
From: Chameleon <cham@***.BIGPOND.NET.AU>
Subject: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:35:25 GMT
Quick question about the meditation ordeal:
For each test, it says the base time is equal to his current initiate
grade rating times 4 days. What about the un-initiated (going for
grade 0) or the grade 0ers? is their base time 0 days?

Quick question about the shaman geasa:
It says that the shaman can only cast spells that they get a totem
advantage. I have a snake shaman player, does this mean he can't cast
any spells in combat?

Chameleon,

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Message no. 2
From: Anjo Verde <Chant_Obscur@*******.FR>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:18:45 +0200
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Chameleon <cham@***.BIGPOND.NET.AU>
Date : vendredi 18 septembre 1998 12:41
Objet : [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa

>Quick question about the meditation ordeal:
>What about the un-initiated or the grade 0ers? is their base time 0 days?

No, they simply can't take this ordeal yet. you could let them do so with
the base time of a grade 1 initiate, but they're better off waiting.

>Quick question about the shaman geasa:
>It says that the shaman can only cast spells that they get a totem
>advantage. I have a snake shaman player, does this mean
>he can't cast any spells in combat?

No, because that would mean you can use any spell that doesn't have any
disadvantage. Also if I remember the grimoire correctly, it would imply
that any spell cast in combat has less dice and the bad target modifiers.
My guess would be the geas works in a way similar to the way
a shamanic adept works, i.e. you can't take it if your totem isn't right.

But then my memories are hazy at best so you should check for yourself.

Anjo Verde
Message no. 3
From: Royce Cetlin <rcetlin@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:22:32 PDT
>From: Chameleon <cham@***.BIGPOND.NET.AU>
>Subject: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>
>Quick question about the meditation ordeal:
>For each test, it says the base time is equal to his current initiate
>grade rating times 4 days. What about the un-initiated (going for
>grade 0) or the grade 0ers? is their base time 0 days?
>
We in our group wold rule it as more of a base time of 4 days then
multiplied by grade if it is for grade 1 and up, i.e. 4 = 0, 4 = 1, 8 =
2, 12 = 3, etc., etc.

>Quick question about the shaman geasa:
>It says that the shaman can only cast spells that they get a totem
>advantage. I have a snake shaman player, does this mean he can't cast
>any spells in combat?
>
I'm assuming You mean shamanic adepts.
" It is not possible to be a shamanic adept for the coyote totem,
because it doesn't recieve any totem modifiers, nor is it possible with
a totem such as owl whose spells recieve a modifier based on time or
place but not on purpose."
They can oly cast spells based on the totem modifiers and recieve NO
totem modifiers (same goes for spirits). I.e. Bear shamanic adept = cast
only health spells and summon only forest spirits.
As for the disadantages sections? It only says that "Note that shamanic
adepts do not recieve totem modifiers for these activities. They are
subject to all the usual requirements for their totem."

BTW, you can cast spells in combat, just at a a -1 die modifier. In out
group, we would rule You could make the Snake shaman adept, cast ONLY
helaing, illusion and detection spells, conjure either spirit of man or
land , and recieve a -1 die modifier casting spells in combat.

Pathfinder

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Message no. 4
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:43:28 -0500
On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:18:45 +0200 Anjo Verde <Chant_Obscur@*******.FR>
writes:
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : Chameleon <cham@***.BIGPOND.NET.AU>

>>Quick question about the meditation ordeal:
>>What about the un-initiated or the grade 0ers? is their base time 0
days?

>No, they simply can't take this ordeal yet. you could let them do so
with
>the base time of a grade 1 initiate, but they're better off waiting.

Or you could let them have it at a base time of 2 days. :)

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Message no. 5
From: Chameleon <cham@***.BIGPOND.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:08:56 GMT
And so, on Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:22:32 PDT did Royce Cetlin
<rcetlin@*******.COM> quoth merrily:

>>From: Chameleon <cham@***.BIGPOND.NET.AU>
>>Subject: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
>>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>>
>>Quick question about the meditation ordeal:
>>For each test, it says the base time is equal to his current initiate
>>grade rating times 4 days. What about the un-initiated (going for
>>grade 0) or the grade 0ers? is their base time 0 days?
>>
>We in our group wold rule it as more of a base time of 4 days then
>multiplied by grade if it is for grade 1 and up, i.e. 4 = 0, 4 = 1, =
8 =
>2, 12 = 3, etc., etc.
>
>>Quick question about the shaman geasa:
>>It says that the shaman can only cast spells that they get a totem
>>advantage. I have a snake shaman player, does this mean he can't cast
>>any spells in combat?
>>
>I'm assuming You mean shamanic adepts.

No, I'm talking about the "Shaman's Geas" listed on page 53 of
Grimoire

Chameleon,

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Message no. 6
From: Royce Cetlin <rcetlin@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:47:37 PDT
>
>And so, on Fri, 18 Sep 1998 10:22:32 PDT did Royce Cetlin
><rcetlin@*******.COM> quoth merrily:
>
>>>From: Chameleon <cham@***.BIGPOND.NET.AU>
>>>Subject: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
>>>To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
>>>
>>
>>>Quick question about the shaman geasa:
>>>It says that the shaman can only cast spells that they get a totem
>>>advantage. I have a snake shaman player, does this mean he can't cast
>>>any spells in combat?
>>>
>>I'm assuming You mean shamanic adepts.
>
>No, I'm talking about the "Shaman's Geas" listed on page 53 of
>Grimoire
>
>Chameleon,
>
I goofed, sorry...I read the rule and it pretty much adds up to turning
a decent shaman into a shamanic adept. There's much better geasa to
take..... If you tke this he can only cast spells for which he gets a
totem modifier for. He'd still most likely get the -1 die modifier for
casting spells in combat, but still be able to cast them.

Pathfinder


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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:36:40 +0200
According to Chameleon, at 10:35 on 18 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> Quick question about the meditation ordeal:
> For each test, it says the base time is equal to his current initiate
> grade rating times 4 days. What about the un-initiated (going for
> grade 0) or the grade 0ers? is their base time 0 days?

How about saying the minimum time is 4 days? Usually, when FASA gives
rules like this they add on a rule involving time and successes, no
successes means you spend the base time (and then fail, but that's not
relevant here). Slightly modifying that, you can say that the minimum time
is four days, even if you're going for Grade 0.

BTW, I've long ago done away with grade 0 in my game, instead making a
character agter first initiation a grade 1.

> Quick question about the shaman geasa:
> It says that the shaman can only cast spells that they get a totem
> advantage. I have a snake shaman player, does this mean he can't cast
> any spells in combat?

I'd say yes, because you get a totem disadvantage for spells cast during
combat. You're safe as long as you cast detection, health, or illusion
spells outside of combat situations, though. The moral of the story: avoid
combat if you possibly can.

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Message no. 8
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Ordeals & Geasa
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:02:29 -0500
On Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:36:40 +0200 Gurth <gurth@******.NL> writes:
>According to Chameleon, at 10:35 on 18 Sep 98, the word on the street
was...
>> Quick question about the meditation ordeal:
>> For each test, it says the base time is equal to his current initiate
>> grade rating times 4 days. What about the un-initiated (going for
>> grade 0) or the grade 0ers? is their base time 0 days?

>How about saying the minimum time is 4 days? Usually, when FASA gives
>rules like this they add on a rule involving time and successes, no
>successes means you spend the base time (and then fail, but that's not
>relevant here). Slightly modifying that, you can say that the minimum
time
>is four days, even if you're going for Grade 0.

Actually, I thought the standard way for FASA to handle time if you don't
fail for rolling 0 successes was 0 successes meant that you spent double
the base time.

D. Ghost
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