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Message no. 1
From: Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 09:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
At 05:02 AM 9/21/96 -0500, Steve wrote:

>Enhanced Smell Enhanced Body Odor

Which reminds me. How does a ghoul smell?











TERRIBLE!! :-P

(BTW, love the way the "enhanced body odor" power sounds. How much
would it cost physad to get? ;-)

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Message no. 2
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:59:08 -0500 (EST)
>At 05:02 AM 9/21/96 -0500, Steve wrote:
>
>>Enhanced Smell Enhanced Body Odor
>
>Which reminds me. How does a ghoul smell?
>
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>TERRIBLE!! :-P
>
>(BTW, love the way the "enhanced body odor" power sounds. How much
>would it cost physad to get? ;-)
>
>
<groan>

Well, I guess that depends on how truly offensive the smell is, but probably
pretty cheap... <grin>

By the way, I played once with a guy playing an organ legger (sells "black
market" organs and body parts). He was a dwarf with a mild allergy to
water! Needless to say, he also had this power for free...;)

Thanxgg, see ya:p


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Message no. 3
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 13:24:48 +0100
Steven Ratkovich said on 14:59/21 Sep 96...

> By the way, I played once with a guy playing an organ legger (sells "black
> market" organs and body parts). He was a dwarf with a mild allergy to
> water! Needless to say, he also had this power for free...;)

A mild allergy to water would give him an automatic +1 to all TNs *all the
time*!

Yep, I think this one fits the subject line perfectly :)

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Message no. 4
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:44:22 -0500 (EST)
>> By the way, I played once with a guy playing an organ legger (sells "black
>> market" organs and body parts). He was a dwarf with a mild allergy to
>> water! Needless to say, he also had this power for free...;)
>
>A mild allergy to water would give him an automatic +1 to all TNs *all the
>time*!

Why? Sure, if he's in Seattle, he'll be getting rained on all the time, but
he was based in Cleveland.

>Yep, I think this one fits the subject line perfectly :)

Oh yeah! :-)
This was one of my little brother's characters. He has a penchant for making
real oddballs.
Ask me about his rat catcher/slaver/poacher he ran one time in another game
. . .


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Message no. 5
From: James <james@***.unm.EDU>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:29:22 -0600 (MDT)
On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, Steven A. Tinner wrote:

> >A mild allergy to water would give him an automatic +1 to all TNs *all the
> >time*!
>
> Why? Sure, if he's in Seattle, he'll be getting rained on all the time, but
> he was based in Cleveland.
I think he might be refering to the large amount of water present in the
human body.

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Message no. 6
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:41:44 -0500 (EST)
>On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, Steven A. Tinner wrote:
>
>> >A mild allergy to water would give him an automatic +1 to all TNs *all the
>> >time*!
>>
>> Why? Sure, if he's in Seattle, he'll be getting rained on all the time, but
>> he was based in Cleveland.
>I think he might be refering to the large amount of water present in the
>human body.

Well sure, but very little of that is actually in pure water form, right?

Most of that is in a solution of some sort.

Besides, we ruled that it was mainly a topical, or ingested allergy. So no
bathing or drinking unless it was totally synthetic.
He wore a lot of colonge, and used "Shower in a Can" a lot!


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Message no. 7
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:36:08 +0100
Steven A. Tinner said on 12:44/22 Sep 96...

> >A mild allergy to water would give him an automatic +1 to all TNs *all the
> >time*!
>
> Why? Sure, if he's in Seattle, he'll be getting rained on all the time, but
> he was based in Cleveland.

With something like 70% (I think) of the human body consisting of water,
he'd be allergic to himself. Large, transparent, flying discs anyone? :)

> This was one of my little brother's characters. He has a penchant for making
> real oddballs.
> Ask me about his rat catcher/slaver/poacher he ran one time in another game
> . . .

What about your brother's rat catcher/slaver/poacher from another game?

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Message no. 8
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:36:08 +0100
Steven A. Tinner said on 0:41/23 Sep 96...

> >I think he might be refering to the large amount of water present in the
> >human body.
>
> Well sure, but very little of that is actually in pure water form, right?
>
> Most of that is in a solution of some sort.

A water molecule is a water molecule, I'd say. Not that I'd let characters
have allergic reactions from a single molecule, but something with a high
water content (whether there's lots of stuff dissolved in it or not) would
trigger the allergy in my game. If you're looking for pure water, about
the only place you'll find something that comes close, is in a laboratory.

> Besides, we ruled that it was mainly a topical, or ingested allergy. So no
> bathing or drinking unless it was totally synthetic.

Synthetic water? Or do you mean synthetic drinks? Most of them contain
water as well, if you ask me -- after all it's a very easy to come by
resource. On top of that, no water = you die.

All in all, I think it's a very silly idea, giving a character a water
allergy.

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Message no. 9
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:00:30 -0500 (EST)
>Steven A. Tinner said on 12:44/22 Sep 96...
>
>> >A mild allergy to water would give him an automatic +1 to all TNs *all the
>> >time*!
>>
>> Why? Sure, if he's in Seattle, he'll be getting rained on all the time, but
>> he was based in Cleveland.
>
>With something like 70% (I think) of the human body consisting of water,
>he'd be allergic to himself. Large, transparent, flying discs anyone? :)
>
>> This was one of my little brother's characters. He has a penchant for making
>> real oddballs.
>> Ask me about his rat catcher/slaver/poacher he ran one time in another game
>> . . .
>
>What about your brother's rat catcher/slaver/poacher from another game?
>
<groan> Why do they always fall for that...:)


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Message no. 10
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 08:32:58 -0500 (EST)
>All in all, I think it's a very silly idea, giving a character a water
>allergy.
>
>
That was the whole idea, Gurth...:)


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-David Eddings, "Demon Lord of Karanda
Message no. 11
From: "Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:01:16 +0000
On 23 Sep 96 at 12:36, Gurth wrote:
[snip]
> All in all, I think it's a very silly idea, giving a character a water
> allergy.
Although I have to agree, I just imagined a workaround: Make it psychological.
And let the GM decide when the allergy effects start.

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Message no. 12
From: bluewizard@*****.com (Steven A. Tinner)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:02:08 -0500 (EST)
>A water molecule is a water molecule, I'd say. Not that I'd let characters
>have allergic reactions from a single molecule, but something with a high
>water content (whether there's lots of stuff dissolved in it or not) would
>trigger the allergy in my game. If you're looking for pure water, about
>the only place you'll find something that comes close, is in a laboratory.

We ruled that only a high conecntration of free water would induce the
allergic reaction.

>> Besides, we ruled that it was mainly a topical, or ingested allergy. So no
>> bathing or drinking unless it was totally synthetic.
>
>Synthetic water? Or do you mean synthetic drinks? Most of them contain
>water as well, if you ask me -- after all it's a very easy to come by
>resource. On top of that, no water = you die.

Synthetic drinks actually. By 2057 there has got to be something he can
drink that isn't made with water. Probably along the lines of Paranoia's
Bouncy Bubble Beverage.
I further decided that the stuff tasted terrible, and was most likely
carcinogenic!

>All in all, I think it's a very silly idea, giving a character a water
>allergy.

Well . . .DUH! :-)
Of course it's silly. He's a silly character, being played by a silly player.
When you get right down to it though, which is really sillier?
A water allergy, or a sunlight allergy?
I'd say that's about the same level of silliness. Only thing is one's been
published in "Official" SR materials.
The allergy system is based on myths anyway, and there were planty of
critters in mythology who hated water as much as they hated sunlight!
Plus, keep in mind that it was just a mild allergy. We decided that he
could, and did occaisonally have to drink water, he just became quite sick
from it.
He could take a shower too, he just came out looking sunburned afterwards. :-)


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Message no. 13
From: Loki <loki@*******.com>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:29:47 -0700
Steven A. Tinner wrote:
<SNIP commentary on silly water allergy>
> When you get right down to it though, which is really sillier?
> A water allergy, or a sunlight allergy?
> I'd say that's about the same level of silliness. Only thing is one's been
> published in "Official" SR materials.

Actually I liked how they explained the sunlight allergy in 1st edition,
based off x-rays and such. Which also gave modifiers to medical healing
that they then left out of 2nd edition (and I've added back in). My
opinion is a water allergy is still silly, maybe I'd by an allergy to a
substance in the water: chlorine, flouride, lead...but an allergy to the
chemical bonding of H2O is just silly. :o)

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Message no. 14
From: chaos@*****.com (Steven Ratkovich)
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 05:09:50 -0500 (EST)
>Steven A. Tinner wrote:
><SNIP commentary on silly water allergy>
>> When you get right down to it though, which is really sillier?
>> A water allergy, or a sunlight allergy?
>> I'd say that's about the same level of silliness. Only thing is one's been
>> published in "Official" SR materials.
>
>Actually I liked how they explained the sunlight allergy in 1st edition,
>based off x-rays and such. Which also gave modifiers to medical healing
>that they then left out of 2nd edition (and I've added back in). My
>opinion is a water allergy is still silly, maybe I'd by an allergy to a
>substance in the water: chlorine, flouride, lead...but an allergy to the
>chemical bonding of H2O is just silly. :o)
>
>
Agreed, Loki, it's very silly. I had a thought, however, that could explain
it...:)

Maybe his allerggy is simply psychosomatic... He doesn't realize his body
is made of water (after all, if I recall, the dwarf had an intelligence of
2, maybe...). If you could ever convince him it IS made up of water, then
he'd be in serious pain for a long time (ie, constantly), or he'd learn to
beat the psycho whatchits and no longer be allergic.

Well, that's just my rambling idiocy, hope it made sense...:)


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Message no. 15
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:22:52 +0100
Steven A. Tinner said on 11:02/23 Sep 96...

> When you get right down to it though, which is really sillier?
> A water allergy, or a sunlight allergy?
> I'd say that's about the same level of silliness. Only thing is one's been
> published in "Official" SR materials.

I have to argue about this, I just _have_ to :) Sunlight allergies I can
buy, not because they're official or anything, but because many people
nowadays get sunburned a lot easier and/or faster than others. You could
just say that an allergy for sunlight is just a more severe (magic-
induced) form of that, but an allergy to water is something that seems
very weird for a living creature -- never mind myths, lots of what they
say isn't true simply because the truth couldn't be discovered at the
time they were first thought up.

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Message no. 16
From: The Jestyr <s421539@*******.gu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [SR2] Re: Stupid Characters
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:14:17 +1000 (EST)
> > When you get right down to it though, which is really sillier?
> > A water allergy, or a sunlight allergy?
> > I'd say that's about the same level of silliness. Only thing is one's been
> > published in "Official" SR materials.
>
> I have to argue about this, I just _have_ to :)

Arguing's fun, innit? :)

> Sunlight allergies I can
> buy, not because they're official or anything, but because many people
> nowadays get sunburned a lot easier and/or faster than others. You could
> just say that an allergy for sunlight is just a more severe (magic-
> induced) form of that, but an allergy to water is something that seems
> very weird for a living creature

You've heard of rabies, haven't you? Maybe the dwarf was rabid... *rofl*




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