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From:	Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net>
Subject:	[SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Tue, 28 May 1996 21:34:29 -0400 (EDT)

Message no. 1 At 10:15 PM 5/28/96 +0000, Paolo wrote:

>I find this ruling silly... If magic and astral space are
>connected to life, why shouldn't a kind of astral space be
>present "around" colonized space? I therefore have ruled for my
>campaign that ANY place inhabited by life has the equivalent of
>astral space, obviously, when you are in orbit, you can't exit
>the station astrally or you'd go *poof*. I think the book you
>want is Neo Anarchist Guide To Real Life, section on planes.
>This way, mages can go orbital and still retain their sanity, if
>they only stay indoors...

Hmmm, I recall saving a thread on this very topic somewhere.
Shall I look for it?

>AND; how common are orbital objects in SR? I found nothing apart
>vague references to "Geneva orbital"... Anyone ever wrote rules,
>things, characters, stations? I'd love to see a thing like the
>CP sourcebook "Zero G" for SR... Providing you agree with me
>over mages, of course! :)

I'm not sure if space exploration was considered very important after the
Awakening, so I'd say it'd be minimal. Has NASA or a similar space agency
been mentioned anywhere?

--
"I remember my first sexual encounter because I kept the recipe."
- Jeff Dahmer

From:	Ken <kwhorner@*******.edu>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Tue, 28 May 1996 20:50:22 -0700 (PDT)

Message no. 2 On Tue, 28 May 1996, Ubiquitous wrote:

> At 10:15 PM 5/28/96 +0000, Paolo wrote:
>
> >I find this ruling silly... If magic and astral space are
> >connected to life, why shouldn't a kind of astral space be
> >present "around" colonized space? I therefore have ruled for my
> >campaign that ANY place inhabited by life has the equivalent of
> >astral space, obviously, when you are in orbit, you can't exit
> >the station astrally or you'd go *poof*. I think the book you
> >want is Neo Anarchist Guide To Real Life, section on planes.
> >This way, mages can go orbital and still retain their sanity, if
> >they only stay indoors...
>
> Hmmm, I recall saving a thread on this very topic somewhere.
> Shall I look for it?

Please.
>
> >AND; how common are orbital objects in SR? I found nothing apart
> >vague references to "Geneva orbital"... Anyone ever wrote rules,
> >things, characters, stations? I'd love to see a thing like the
> >CP sourcebook "Zero G" for SR... Providing you agree with me
> >over mages, of course! :)
>
> I'm not sure if space exploration was considered very important after the
> Awakening, so I'd say it'd be minimal. Has NASA or a similar space agency
> been mentioned anywhere?
>
Kindof. I believe that Ares bought it up, in the Corps book?

Nutcracker

From:	Fro <fro@***.ab.ca>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Tue, 28 May 1996 21:55:30 -0600

Message no. 3 At 20:50 28/05/96 -0700, Nutcracker wrote:

>Kindof. I believe that Ares bought it up, in the Corps book?
>
>Nutcracker

*lugs stack of books to computer* Corporate Shadowfiles, pages 87-107 has a
bunch of stuff about Zurich Orbital, and I believe some general info about
orbitals as well.

Fro

From:	acgetchell@*******.edu (Adam Getchell)
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Wed, 29 May 1996 04:13:17 -0700

Message no. 4 >>AND; how common are orbital objects in SR? I found nothing apart
>>vague references to "Geneva orbital"... Anyone ever wrote rules,
>>things, characters, stations? I'd love to see a thing like the
>>CP sourcebook "Zero G" for SR... Providing you agree with me
>>over mages, of course! :)

I once ran something off the Daedalus, and considered writing source
material for Shadowrun in space. I like having orbital weaponry, hotels,
skyhooks, powersats, and national and corporate places like G-O rubbing
shoulders. Notes are somewhere if people are interested.

>I'm not sure if space exploration was considered very important after the
>Awakening, so I'd say it'd be minimal. Has NASA or a similar space agency
>been mentioned anywhere?

NASA facilities got bought out by Ares: another company bought up the CIS
Mir station. Of course, that still leaves out national military launch
facilities, which today are possessed by U.S., France (Ariane corp),
Brazil, India, China, Russia, Japan; I'm not positive but I expect the
Brits and Germans don't have trouble either.

So, re: Shadowrun I'd expect the Big 8 megacorps, Fed-Boeing, whatever corp
owns Ariane, all the suborbital carriers, UCAS, Japan, C.I.S., U.K.,
France, larger German states, possibly Italy, India, larger Chinese states,
elven South Africa (favorable location), Amazonia (though they may have
dismantled Brazil's operation), Argentina (if it's still around) and
Australia to be rubbing shoulders up there.
>
>--
>"I remember my first sexual encounter because I kept the recipe."
> - Jeff Dahmer

=================================================================
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acgetchell@*******.edu
http://www.engr.ucdavis.edu/~acgetche/
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-- Sun Tzu

From:	Joel Nesbitt <joel.nesbitt@******.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Wed, 29 May 1996 14:09:52 +0100 (BST)

Message no. 5 On Wed, 29 May 1996, Adam Getchell wrote:

> >>AND; how common are orbital objects in SR? I found nothing apart
> >>vague references to "Geneva orbital"... Anyone ever wrote rules,
> >>things, characters, stations? I'd love to see a thing like the
> >>CP sourcebook "Zero G" for SR... Providing you agree with me
> >>over mages, of course! :)
>
> I once ran something off the Daedalus, and considered writing source
> material for Shadowrun in space. I like having orbital weaponry, hotels,
> skyhooks, powersats, and national and corporate places like G-O rubbing
> shoulders. Notes are somewhere if people are interested.
>
Hey, all this talk about space and in particular the discussion on magic
Up There gave me an idea. According to the Z-O section in Corp
Shadowfiles, there are a few rich tycoons living in Z-O trying to extend
their lifespan. Weeeelllll.... what if the reason it works is something
to do with this oh-so-gradual drain that the mana around the earth has on
the life in it when it is used for sorcery, conjuring, UGE, etc. But I
suppose that doesn't necessarily answer why lifespan before the Awakening
was still 'normal' - if this (almost entirely speculative) theory has
anything to it it would necessitate the dropping of life expectancy as
the mana moved closer to the physical again. Or wouldn't the
life-force of the folks in space be more prone to draining away
into the nothingness? Just a thought.

* Joel Nesbitt, Exeter College, Oxford *
* "I hummed this tune to all the girls I'd known, *
* Should I care about the chances I've blown?" *

From:	"Paolo Marcucci" <paolo@*********.it>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Wed, 29 May 1996 15:36:56 +0200

Message no. 6 I think this could be on the line of that guy in the tank in Aztlan...
tech, not magic.

> According to the Z-O section in Corp
> Shadowfiles, there are a few rich tycoons living in Z-O trying to extend

> their lifespan. Weeeelllll.... what if the reason it works is something

> to do with this oh-so-gradual drain that the mana around the earth has
on
> the life in it when it is used for sorcery, conjuring, UGE, etc.

Bye, Paolo

From:	Tim Serpas <wretch@**.COM>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Wed, 29 May 1996 10:27:46 -0500 (CDT)

Message no. 7 On Wed, 29 May 1996, Adam Getchell wrote:

> NASA facilities got bought out by Ares: another company bought up the CIS
> Mir station. Of course, that still leaves out national military launch
> facilities, which today are possessed by U.S., France (Ariane corp),
> Brazil, India, China, Russia, Japan; I'm not positive but I expect the
> Brits and Germans don't have trouble either.
>
And don't forget Israel: I remember that they put a satelite into
orbit a bit ahead of schedule to show the Iraqis that if they can do
that, then surely they can put missiles into Bagdad with the same
accuracy. That sort of thing.

Peace, Love and Artichokes.
Tim Serpas
wretch@**.com

From:	Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.net>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Wed, 29 May 1996 13:06:45 -0500

Message no. 8 At 08:50 PM 5/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
>> I'm not sure if space exploration was considered very important after the
>> Awakening, so I'd say it'd be minimal. Has NASA or a similar space agency
>> been mentioned anywhere?
>>
>Kindof. I believe that Ares bought it up, in the Corps book?
>
Ares Macrotechnology did buy NASA according to the NAGNA, page 50. Also in
Corp Shadowfiles (good for only the last 24 pages), AresSpace was formed
after Ares Macrotech purchased NASA in 2016. AresSpace is headquartered in
Houston, CAS, and is said to be international and operates "regional and
functional subdivisions [whatever that means], such as AresSpace CommSat and
AresSpace Lifters UCAS."

According to a post datestamped 4-10-54 by a decker calling herself Double
Janet, "Ares based its vast aerospace holdings around the old NASA
facilities that Ares Industries acquired from the U.S. government back in
2019. According to the provisions of that deal, Ares agreed to return
elements of the facilities to the U.S. government in 2055. Course, the U.S.
government doesn't exist anymore ..." One of those facilities is the NASA
Bullet Train that makes the Houston-Dallas/Fort Worth-Oklahoma City route.
UniOil is a co-manager of the bullet train along with AresSpace. As far as
I know, Ares still runs the Bullet Train (my game is set in Spring, 2056).

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Maybe, just maybe, my boys'll hold 'em off. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese
jet pilot."
-Ash, _[Bruce Campbell vs.] The Army Of Darkness [The Ultimate Adventure in
Medieval Horror]_

From:	Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Thu, 30 May 1996 00:11:21 -0500 (CDT)

Message no. 9 On Wed, 29 May 1996, Joel Nesbitt wrote:

> to do with this oh-so-gradual drain that the mana around the earth has on
> the life in it when it is used for sorcery, conjuring, UGE, etc. But I

You know if UGE is a magical in nature in there's no magic in space then
won't it hold to reason that some one wouldn't mutate until reentering
the atmosphere. I also seem to remember seeing something in never deal
with a dragon about a test being possible if to see if some one would
goblinize. So what are you going to do if your the head of one of the
big 8 megacorps and your son or daughter tests positive for UGE...
Just a nasty thought for those GM's out there.

Stephen

>
>
> * Joel Nesbitt, Exeter College, Oxford *
> * "I hummed this tune to all the girls I'd known, *
> * Should I care about the chances I've blown?" *
>

From:	"Paolo Falco" <Falco@****.it>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Thu, 30 May 1996 01:42:02 +0000

Message no. 10 On 28 May 96, Ubiquitous wrote:

> At 10:15 PM 5/28/96 +0000, Paolo wrote:
>
> >I find this ruling silly... If magic and astral space are
> >connected to life, why shouldn't a kind of astral space be
> >present "around" colonized space? I therefore have ruled for
> >my campaign that ANY place inhabited by life has the
> >equivalent of astral space, obviously, when you are in orbit,
> >you can't exit the station astrally or you'd go *poof*. I
> >think the book you want is Neo Anarchist Guide To Real Life,
> >section on planes. This way, mages can go orbital and still
> >retain their sanity, if they only stay indoors...
>
> Hmmm, I recall saving a thread on this very topic somewhere.
> Shall I look for it?

Yep, but email it to me only, or everybody's gonna hate me! :)

> >AND; how common are orbital objects in SR? I found nothing
> >apart vague references to "Geneva orbital"... Anyone ever
> >wrote rules, things, characters, stations? I'd love to see a
> >thing like the CP sourcebook "Zero G" for SR... Providing you
> >agree with me over mages, of course! :)
>
> I'm not sure if space exploration was considered very important
> after the Awakening, so I'd say it'd be minimal. Has NASA or a
> similar space agency been mentioned anywhere?

Paolo Falco [Falco@****.it] Ironbound Section (Near Avenue L)
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From:	"Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Thu, 30 May 1996 19:36:14 +0200

Message no. 11 At 3:42 Uhr 30.05.96, Paolo Falco wrote:
[snip of 14 lines]
>Yep, but email it to me only, or everybody's gonna hate me! :)
[snip 11 lines of someone else]

Naaa... No, Paolo, we gonna hate you for haveing game materials
posted to the list.
Indeed, I'd be interested, also.
Oh... and maybe we gonna start to hate you for quoting 25 lines and
adding just one of your own! :-)

Sascha

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From:	Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.net>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Thu, 30 May 1996 15:17:49 -0500

Message no. 12 At 12:11 AM 5/30/96 -0500, you wrote:

>the atmosphere. I also seem to remember seeing something in never deal
>with a dragon about a test being possible if to see if some one would
>goblinize.

I think what you're referring to is a test to determine magical ability, not
goblinization.

-Thomas Deeny
Cartoonist At Large

"Maybe, just maybe, my boys'll hold 'em off. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese
jet pilot."
-Ash, _[Bruce Campbell vs.] The Army Of Darkness [The Ultimate Adventure in
Medieval Horror]_

From:	Stephen Delear <shadow@***.com>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Thu, 30 May 1996 16:53:48 -0500 (CDT)

Message no. 13 On Thu, 30 May 1996, Faux Pas wrote:

> At 12:11 AM 5/30/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >the atmosphere. I also seem to remember seeing something in never deal
> >with a dragon about a test being possible if to see if some one would
> >goblinize.
>
> I think what you're referring to is a test to determine magical ability, not
> goblinization.

"The best we can do is identify those who MIGHT change. And even then
only after lengthy genetic testing." Never Deal with a Dragon pg 8.

Stephen

>
> -Thomas Deeny
> Cartoonist At Large
>
> "Maybe, just maybe, my boys'll hold 'em off. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese
> jet pilot."
> -Ash, _[Bruce Campbell vs.] The Army Of Darkness [The Ultimate Adventure in
> Medieval Horror]_
>
>

From:	"Paolo Falco" <Falco@****.it>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Fri, 31 May 1996 18:37:36 +0000

Message no. 14 On 30 May 96, Sascha Pabst wrote:
> At 3:42 Uhr 30.05.96, Paolo Falco wrote:
> [snip of 14 lines]
> >Yep, but email it to me only, or everybody's gonna hate me! :)
> [snip 11 lines of someone else]
>
> Naaa... No, Paolo, we gonna hate you for haveing game materials
> posted to the list. Indeed, I'd be interested, also. Oh... and
> maybe we gonna start to hate you for quoting 25 lines and
> adding just one of your own! :-)

Aaout the material: I thought everyone else had already seen it
50-60 times! :)

About the quoting: I'm sorry, I went quoting-frenzy after
having written more than 200 lines of the next part of PuWa's
guide without quoting even one from someone else! :)

Send your scuba material and ideas to me for PuWa's part 3&1/2!
You're still in time!!! (OH, heck, why do I bother? I just
*know* I'm gonna do it all by myself...:)
--------------------------------------------------------------
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Ironbound Section | Justice is blind, but she has a GUN !!!
(Near Avenue L) |
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The Above Web Page Contains Gory Graphics And Fun For Skaters!
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From:	"Sascha Pabst" <Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.DE>
Subject:	Re: [SR2] Runners...in...spaaaaaaace!
Date:	Sat, 1 Jun 1996 15:00:56 +0200

Message no. 15 At 20:37 Uhr 31.05.96, Paolo Falco wrote:
[snipchen]
>Send your scuba material and ideas to me for PuWa's part 3&1/2!
>You're still in time!!! (OH, heck, why do I bother? I just
>*know* I'm gonna do it all by myself...:)
Sure... I am still busy with writing the mainframe-thingy V2.0 :-)

Sascha

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+---___---------+----------------------------------------+--------------------+
| / / _______ | Jhary-a-Conel aka Sascha Pabst |The one who does not|
| / /_/ ____/ |Sascha.Pabst@**********.Uni-Oldenburg.de| learn from history |
| \___ __/ | | is bound to live |
|==== \_/ ======| *Wearing hats is just a way of life* | through it again. |
|LOGOUT FASCISM!| - Me | |
+------------- http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~jhary -----------------+

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