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Message no. 1
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: SR3 Build Point Nuyen Houserule [was: Companion now
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:01:48 -0500
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At 12:02 PM 3/25/99 -0600, Patrick Goodman wrote:
>>And did you happen to see if they expanded the table for Resources
>>Nuyen to include values for a whole range of build points, instead
of
>>just the half dozen options available in the previous companion?
>
>They've rearranged that slightly, but there still aren't very many
options
>there, so your houserule chart should still be more or less accurate.

You
>can't start off flat broke anymore. Here, let me type in that part
and
>appeal to the Copyright Gods not to smite me before my time. <g>
>
>RESOURCES (in nuyen)
>
> 500 - 5
> 5,000 0
> 20,000 5
> 90,000 10
> 200,000 15
> 400,000 20
> 650,000 25
>1,000,000 30
>
>Hope that helps.
>

Great. The one request that I made when Rob Boyle asked the list what
we wanted to see in the new companion, and they didn't even put it in.
:P


For everyone, here's an expanded chart for use with the SR3 Build
Point system:

_______________________
| Resources | Build |
| Nuyen | Points |
|------------+--------|
| 500¥ | - 5 |
| 1,400¥ | - 4 |
| 2,300¥ | - 3 |
| 3,200¥ | - 2 |
| 4,100¥ | - 1 |
| 5,000¥ | 0 |
| 8,000¥ | 1 |
| 11,000¥ | 2 |
| 14,000¥ | 3 |
| 17,000¥ | 4 |
| 20,000¥ | 5 |
| 34,000¥ | 6 |
| 48,000¥ | 7 |
| 62,000¥ | 8 |
| 76,000¥ | 9 |
| 90,000¥ | 10 |
| 112,000¥ | 11 |
| 134,000¥ | 12 |
| 156,000¥ | 13 |
| 178,000¥ | 14 |
| 200,000¥ | 15 |
| 240,000¥ | 16 |
| 280,000¥ | 17 |
| 320,000¥ | 18 |
| 360,000¥ | 19 |
| 400,000¥ | 20 |
| 450,000¥ | 21 |
| 500,000¥ | 22 |
| 550,000¥ | 23 |
| 600,000¥ | 24 |
| 650,000¥ | 25 |
| 720,000¥ | 26 |
| 790,000¥ | 27 |
| 860,000¥ | 28 |
| 930,000¥ | 29 |
| 1,000,000¥ | 30 |
+------------+--------+


One option I'm considering, is an expansion past 30, for use in
creating characters that are above starting level, and particularly
for allowing experienced, mature roleplayers more freedom in choosing
some of the more expensive toys (Especially for riggers and some of
the other nuyen intensive archtypes). One option would be to just
continue the smooth curve set forth by the previous numbers.

On the above chart, steps between 15 and 20 increase by 40,000¥, steps
between 20 and 25 increase by 50,000¥, and steps between 25 and 30
increase by 70,000¥. Comparing the increases, 20-25 increases 10,000¥
more per step than 15-20, and 25-30 increases 20,000¥ more per step
than 20-25. For 30-35, I'd suggesst a 100,000¥ increase per step,
30,000¥ more per step than 25-30. This results in the following chart:

_______________________
| Resources | Build |
| Nuyen | Points |
|------------+--------|
| 1,100,000¥ | 31 |
| 1,200,000¥ | 32 |
| 1,300,000¥ | 33 |
| 1,400,000¥ | 34 |
| 1,500,000¥ | 35 |
+------------+--------+


While these numbers do continue the smooth curve put forth by the
other values, I am downright frightened by these numbers (An extra
half-mil for just 5 more build points?!?), even when put in the hands
of dedicated roleplayers. In the interest of game balance, and
diminishing returns, a better, simpler, and more scaleable solution
might be a flat 25,000¥ for each build point past 30.

Feedback anyone?


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Message no. 2
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: SR3 Build Point Nuyen Houserule [was: Companion now
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:10:37 -0500
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At 03:17 PM 3/25/99 -0600, dghost@****.com wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:01:48 -0500 Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.com>
>writes:
><SNIP>
>>For everyone, here's an expanded chart for use with the SR3 Build
>>Point system:
><SNIP>
>
>Why not make 0 nuyen worth -6 points?
>

I had considered extending the chart in that direction too, but I had
decided that that wasn't worth the trouble. After chargen, any
leftover resources nuyen gets divided by 10, and added to the 3d6
x100¥ of starting cash. If you only have 500 to start with, and you
aren't going to spend any of it anyway, you just get 50 extra nuyen of
starting cred.

If you really want a character to be Flat Broke, go ahead and make a
homebrew Flaw:
Flat Broke (6 pt. Flaw)
The character has no resources nuyen, and does not get to roll 3d6
x100¥ for starting cred. (This flaw may not be combined with spending
negative build points on resources nuyen.)


>>One option I'm considering, is an expansion past 30,
><SNIP>
>
>I would prefer to see a formula, perhaps a power function? The thing
is
>to we want the increase to continue to increase (ie, exponential
growth)
>or just have linear growth after 30 points?
>

The chart that you snipped was my "trial balloon" for continuing to
increase the rate of increase, and quite frankly, I do not think those
numbers would make for good game balance. The numbers just get too big
for two few extra points.

At the very end of the part you had snipped, I had put forth a
proposal for linear growth, but since you want a formula:
Resources ¥=((x-30)*25,000¥)+(1,000,000¥), where x is a number of
build points >= 30. :)

Why 25,000¥ per build point over 30? To go from 500¥ to 1,000,000¥ in
35 build points averages over 28k per build point. I felt growth after
the million should be a little slower in the interest of game balance,
and 25,000¥ is a very nice round number to work with.



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