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Message no. 1
From: Rich Willoughby <rwilloug@********.COM>
Subject: [SR3] Cyberlimbs and Quickness enhancements
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:00:08 -0400
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Anyone have know why the Quickness enhancements for cyberlimbs presented in
CT are not in SR3. It seems to me like such an enhancement would be a
fairly standard. I'd also be interested in hearing what people think the
stats (cost, essence, conceal, etc.) of such enhancements under SR3.

Thanks,

Rich
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Message no. 2
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Cyberlimbs and Quickness enhancements
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:34:30 -0600
Rich Willoughby wrote:
/
/ Oops. Helps if you type your message before hitting send...
/
/ Yes, I am a first time poster. Please be merciful. ;)

Welcome to ShadowRN! :)

If you haven't allready (and any other newbies) please read the ShadowRN
FAQ (the URL is in my .sig).

/ Anyone have know why the Quickness enhancements for cyberlimbs presented in
/ CT are not in SR3. It seems to me like such an enhancement would be a
/ fairly standard. I'd also be interested in hearing what people think the
/ stats (cost, essence, conceal, etc.) of such enhancements under SR3.

I would suspect it's going to be in the upcoming supplement tentitively
titled Man and Machine.

SR3 was written to be a core book with everything that FASA felt was
necessary for new players. I guess that didn't include quickness
enhancements for cyberlimbs. All the icing-on-the-cake stuff will be
in upcoming sourcebooks (Man and Machine (cyberware), Cannon Companion
(guns n ammo), and Magic in the Shadows)

-David
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Message no. 3
From: Chris <chris_hayes@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Cyberlimbs and Quickness enhancements
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:42:50 -0700
> SR3 was written to be a core book with everything that FASA felt was
> necessary for new players. I guess that didn't include quickness
> enhancements for cyberlimbs. All the icing-on-the-cake stuff will be
> in upcoming sourcebooks (Man and Machine (cyberware), Cannon Companion
> (guns n ammo), and Magic in the Shadows)
>
> -David
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>

Any date on when these books will be out. I heard the Magic in the Shadows
should be out around the first of the year. What about the others?

Christopher Hayes
"Who put their hoo-hoo dilly in your cha-cha?" - Cartman
Message no. 4
From: Rich Willoughby <rwilloug@********.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Cyberlimbs and Quickness enhancements
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:47:46 -0400
> / Anyone have know why the Quickness enhancements for cyberlimbs
> presented in
> / CT are not in SR3. It seems to me like such an enhancement would be a
> / fairly standard. I'd also be interested in hearing what people
> think the
> / stats (cost, essence, conceal, etc.) of such enhancements under SR3.
>
> I would suspect it's going to be in the upcoming supplement tentitively
> titled Man and Machine.
>
> SR3 was written to be a core book with everything that FASA felt was
> necessary for new players. I guess that didn't include quickness
> enhancements for cyberlimbs. All the icing-on-the-cake stuff will be
> in upcoming sourcebooks (Man and Machine (cyberware), Cannon Companion
> (guns n ammo), and Magic in the Shadows)
>
> -David

Understood. Still, I have some PCs and NPCs who have Cyberlimb Quickness
enhancements that I'm translating up from SR2 to SR3 and was hoping to get
some guesses as to what changes, if any, would probably be made to those
enhancements. I noticed that the cost of Strentgh enhancements went down
100,000 nuyen from CT to SR3 (unless there is an errata I don't know about).
I'd be interested in hearing from anyone willing to throw in their two
cents.

Thanks in advance,

Rich

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Message no. 5
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Cyberlimbs and Quickness enhancements
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:04:21 -0700
>Understood. Still, I have some PCs and NPCs who have Cyberlimb
Quickness
>enhancements that I'm translating up from SR2 to SR3 and was hoping
to get
>some guesses as to what changes, if any, would probably be made to
those
>enhancements. I noticed that the cost of Strentgh enhancements went
down
>100,000 nuyen from CT to SR3 (unless there is an errata I don't know
about).
>I'd be interested in hearing from anyone willing to throw in their
two
>cents.


My personal opinion (an I had some input into SR3's cyberlimbs) is
that almost any mechanical system that uses leverage (cyber limbs AND
flesh limbs fall in this category) trades off between quickness and
strength (assuming the control sytems are adequate for the quickness,
and the substructure can handle the exertion of strength).

The rules skinny? I would guess you could buy quickness
enhancements AS strength enhancements, and apply the bonus to
quickness. That could cut into your essence pretty fast if you wanted
to pump strength AND quickness, but it is "realistic", as far as SR
cyberlimb rules go.

The "body rating" enhancements should, IMO, be much cheaper, but
involve some heavy duty re-sizing of the user. Full body replacements
need a big overhaul, IMO, in light of anthroform drone rules...

Mongoose
Message no. 6
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Cyberlimbs and Quickness enhancements
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:07:28 +0100
Rich Willoughby said on 15:00/31 Aug 98,...

> Anyone have know why the Quickness enhancements for cyberlimbs presented in
> CT are not in SR3.

No idea, sorry.

> It seems to me like such an enhancement would be a
> fairly standard. I'd also be interested in hearing what people think the
> stats (cost, essence, conceal, etc.) of such enhancements under SR3.

Same as in Cybertechnoloy, I'd say. In general, a good rule of
thumb is that if something doesn't change in a new book, the
stuff from the older book still applies. Unless the cost for Strength
enhancements has altered radically between CT and SR3 (I
haven't checked this), I'd say Quickness enhancements use the
costs from CT. If the cost for Strength enhancements _has_
changed, I suggest changing the Quickness boost costs by the
same percentage.

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Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Cyberlimbs and Quickness enhancements
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:07:29 +0100
Chris said on 13:42/31 Aug 98,...

> Any date on when these books will be out. I heard the Magic in the Shadows
> should be out around the first of the year. What about the others?

Early to mid next year, AFAIK.

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Message no. 8
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Cyberlimbs and Quickness enhancements
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 09:07:42 -0600
Chris wrote:
/
/ > SR3 was written to be a core book with everything that FASA felt was
/ > necessary for new players. I guess that didn't include quickness
/ > enhancements for cyberlimbs. All the icing-on-the-cake stuff will be
/ > in upcoming sourcebooks (Man and Machine (cyberware), Cannon Companion
/ > (guns n ammo), and Magic in the Shadows)
/
/ Any date on when these books will be out. I heard the Magic in the Shadows
/ should be out around the first of the year. What about the others?

http://www.fasa.com

Even tho the Shadowrun page is lacking in many areas, their release
schedule of upcoming products is usually up to date.

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