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Message no. 1
From: 00DNA <mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:20:16 -0400
Maybe I missed it, but I was surprised to see that the costs of surgery for
Cyberware was not included in SR3.
There was a list in Cybertechnology was there not? Could someone send that
to me?
What do other people do about the cost of Cyberware surgery?


--00DNA
"The Matrix patterns itself on Nature" <<Replication Terminated>>
Message no. 2
From: Drew Curtis <dcurtis@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:02:26 -0400
On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, 00DNA wrote:

> Maybe I missed it, but I was surprised to see that the costs of surgery for
> Cyberware was not included in SR3.
> There was a list in Cybertechnology was there not? Could someone send that
> to me?
> What do other people do about the cost of Cyberware surgery?
>

I treat it as a package deal. Cost includes installation.

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Message no. 3
From: 00DNA <mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:39:43 -0400
>> What do other people do about the cost of Cyberware surgery?

>I treat it as a package deal. Cost includes installation.

When I first started GMing, I never really had any "down time" all our time
was committed to running. So, we never did buy gear and negotiating and
all that. If they wanted something they just bought and had it...including
cyberware. And so back then I didn't charge any extra to actually put the
gear in either. But...that was a long time ago...and I do it right now. (:
So, what happens now though is that they go to the fixer and ask for the
cyberware...I use the price in the book...and then they take that to a
Street Doc...who won't do it for free...so that's why I need a cost.

Do you have all of the Cyberware coming from the Street Docs?


--00DNA
"The Matrix patterns itself on Nature" <<Replication Terminated>>
Message no. 4
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:02:16 -0600
/ > Maybe I missed it, but I was surprised to see that the costs of surgery for
/ > Cyberware was not included in SR3.

They leave it up to the GM.

/ > What do other people do about the cost of Cyberware surgery?

If you want to charge for implantation of cyberware, here's what I
would suggest.

For 1 point of essence or less charge them for a Light Wound.
up to 2 points: Moderate Wound.
up to 3 points: Serious Wound.
More than 3 points: Deadly Wound.

I'd use this once the game has started (don't apply it during character
creation).

-David
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Message no. 5
From: Kaptiv Audienz <G8TWAY@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:22:35 EDT
In a message dated 9/4/1998 10:44:22 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU writes:

> Do you have all of the Cyberware coming from the Street Docs?
>
In the few games I have played, any cyberware that was in the possession of
the Street Doctors was second hand, using those optional rules in the street
samurai catalog. If as a pc, we wanted cyberware upgrades, and wanted to make
certain it was new or proper material, we had to entail the assistance of a
Corporate Johnson or the Fixer who specialized in obtaining those materials.

I believe in the more recent source material, it mentions the Tamanous gangs
as dealing in second hand cyberware, but I could be mistaken. Perhaps a gang
contact could be an alternate source of such in those circumstances?
Message no. 6
From: Kaptiv Audienz <G8TWAY@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:30:38 EDT
In a message dated 9/4/1998 12:02:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG writes:

> For 1 point of essence or less charge them for a Light Wound.
> up to 2 points: Moderate Wound.
> up to 3 points: Serious Wound.
> More than 3 points: Deadly Wound.
>
> I'd use this once the game has started (don't apply it during character
> creation).

I have always perceived the level of wound done by a surgical procedure as
drastically invasive, as per Shadowtech and Street Samurai. Am I wrong in
this?
Message no. 7
From: Tarek Okail <Tarek_Okail@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:06:18 -0400
Kaptive--

>I have always perceived the level of wound done by a surgical procedure
>as drastically invasive, as per Shadowtech and Street Samurai. Am I
>wrong in this?

The trend in medical surgery nowadays is "minimally invasive"
surgery, also known as endoscopic surgery.
Basically, the surgeon finds a big vein or artery, depending on
what he needs to do, and sticks a tube into it. A long, flexible, narrow
tube. He then spends several minutes threading the tube to its destinatio=
n,
and then puts the appropriate surgical instrument through the tube. Once =
at
the other end, he uses a videocam mounted in the instrument to do what he=

needs to do, which can be anything from cauterizing internal bleeding to
cutting away a tumor.
Now, this type of procedure doesn't work for every type of surger=
y,
but the general attitude these days is "Let's not do as much damage while=

correcting the problem. That way we avoid complications and get the patie=
nt
out of the hospital faster."

Shadowmage
Message no. 8
From: Death Imp <leprekhorn@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:07:02 PDT
>
>In a message dated 9/4/1998 10:44:22 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU writes:
>
>> Do you have all of the Cyberware coming from the Street Docs?
>>
>In the few games I have played, any cyberware that was in the
possession of
>the Street Doctors was second hand, using those optional rules in the
street
>samurai catalog. If as a pc, we wanted cyberware upgrades, and wanted
to make
>certain it was new or proper material, we had to entail the assistance
of a
>Corporate Johnson or the Fixer who specialized in obtaining those
materials.
>
>I believe in the more recent source material, it mentions the Tamanous
gangs
>as dealing in second hand cyberware, but I could be mistaken. Perhaps
a gang
>contact could be an alternate source of such in those circumstances?
>

I'll have to advise caution on contacting Street Docs for any cyber
though. My gang character, Mayhem, recently had a botched set of Wired 1
installed (much to the great amusment of my GM) and it's led to all
sorts of problems, e.g. starting to run and not stopping, and we won't
mention the uncontrolled twitching......




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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:40:18 +0200
David Buehrer said on 11:02/4 Sep 98,...

> / > What do other people do about the cost of Cyberware surgery?
>
> If you want to charge for implantation of cyberware, here's what I
> would suggest.
>
> For 1 point of essence or less charge them for a Light Wound.
> up to 2 points: Moderate Wound.
> up to 3 points: Serious Wound.
> More than 3 points: Deadly Wound.

Do you realize that would allow someone to get a cyberlimb but only take a
Light wound from surgery?

The figures from SRII (and SR1) might be a bit more useful, IMO:

No Essence cost: Light wound (Cosmetic surgery, 1,000 nuyen)
Up to 0.4: Moderate (Minor invasive, 5,000 nuyen)
Up to (but not including) 1: Serious (Major invasive, 25,000 nuyen)
1 or higher: Deadly (Drastic invasive, 250,000 nuyen)

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Message no. 10
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:04:03 -0600
Gurth wrote:
/
/ David Buehrer said on 11:02/4 Sep 98,...
/
/ > / > What do other people do about the cost of Cyberware surgery?
/ >
/ > If you want to charge for implantation of cyberware, here's what I
/ > would suggest.
/ >
/ > For 1 point of essence or less charge them for a Light Wound.
/ > up to 2 points: Moderate Wound.
/ > up to 3 points: Serious Wound.
/ > More than 3 points: Deadly Wound.
/
/ Do you realize that would allow someone to get a cyberlimb but only take a
/ Light wound from surgery?
/
/ The figures from SRII (and SR1) might be a bit more useful, IMO:
/
/ No Essence cost: Light wound (Cosmetic surgery, 1,000 nuyen)
/ Up to 0.4: Moderate (Minor invasive, 5,000 nuyen)
/ Up to (but not including) 1: Serious (Major invasive, 25,000 nuyen)
/ 1 or higher: Deadly (Drastic invasive, 250,000 nuyen)

That's what I get for shooting from the hip. Sorry bout that.

I wonder why they left that out of SR3? Maybe they've got plans to put it
in Man and Machine...

-David
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Message no. 11
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: SR3 Cyberware Surgery Costs
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 11:36:47 -0700
+AD4-I wonder why they left that out of SR3? Maybe they've got plans to put
it
+AD4-in Man and Machine...


That and more. The figures as given in Cybertechnology have some
problems+ADs- some things are WAY to expensive, much more than the cyber.
Also, good surgery and wares reduce essence loss, but should not be
cheaper to implant+ACE- If surgical cost is based on essence loss, and price
levels are so staggered, it can lead to some funny results.

Mongoose

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