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Message no. 1
From: Lurch lurch@****.net
Subject: SR3 Flavor Suggestion (WAS: insiders: cannon companion due?)
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 13:11:49 -0600
OK, here's a thought (& one that's popped up in some form before IIRC):

Instead of everyone whining about what we don't have (Shadowtalk, item
art, and general setting atmosphere), why not make a coordinated effort
to make our wishes known to FASA as a unified whole? If enough people
showed interest (read: sales potential) to warrant the printing
costs/time involvement, I imagine they could be persuaded to produce one
or more books dealing solely with atmosphere. Such a product could:

a) compile & reprint the "missing" material from older books like FoF,
Shaowtech, etc. (not *too* hard to do IMO, since it all exists already)
so everyone who *really* needs to can see just what their oral dartgun
looks like;

b) add/update artwork, Shadowtalk, etc. for the items recently added or
updated in SR3 (a little more work for those involved, granted, but if
the payoff is happier customers I think it's worth it in the long run);

c) a general flavor/atmosphere overview to set the tone of what its
*really* like to live day-to-day in the Awakened world of the 2060's,
whether you're a wageslave, a runner, a corp exec or a burned-out
chiphead in the gutter.

A book like this could make for a constant reference for players and
GM's alike; players could use it as an easy visual reference ("OK,
that's what a DocWagon ambulance looks like"), while GM's would have a
wealth of plot hooks to throw at players ("So SMG "X" breaks down
completely after 1000 rounds of AP ammo, eh? Interesting...")

As I see it, just about everybody wins this way: players who don't miss
the atmospheric content don't have to buy the book, and players who do
want it only have to purchase one more product (again, possibly more
depending on space) to get it all back and then some. (BTW, I've never
seen a copy of HTLL so I can't comment on how close to the mark it comes
to what I'm suggesting.) The only possible downside I can see at this
time (other than the possibility of buying another book), is you'd have
to look in one book for the description/stats, and another book for the
picture; personally, that's an inconvenience I'm willing to deal with if
it means more usable product overall (not to light fuses, but the
difference between RBB and R2 is a good example of what I mean -- sure,
the pictures in RBB were a nice reference, but I can do more IMC with
the expanded rules on remote rigging in R2 than I can with a picture of
a car. I'm by *no* means rich, but I'm willing to buy [or ignore, at my
option] a separate artbook if it means getting more "meat" in my
rulebook).

Feedback?

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Lurch
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Message no. 2
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: SR3 Flavor Suggestion (WAS: insiders: cannon companion due?)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 14:20:55 -0500
From: "Lurch" <lurch@****.net>
> OK, here's a thought (& one that's popped up in some form before
IIRC):
>
> Instead of everyone whining about what we don't have (Shadowtalk,
item
> art, and general setting atmosphere), why not make a coordinated
effort
> to make our wishes known to FASA as a unified whole? If enough
people
> showed interest (read: sales potential) to warrant the printing
> costs/time involvement, I imagine they could be persuaded to produce
one
> or more books dealing solely with atmosphere. Such a product could:
> <snip>

Excellent idea. Please see "The Visual Guide to the Shadows" on the
Deep Resonance Forums for pros and cons. [In other words, yep, we've
had this discussion, and we all think it's a great idea, come talk
with us about it!]

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mankind." - Marquis de Sade
Message no. 3
From: HHackerH@***.com HHackerH@***.com
Subject: SR3 Flavor Suggestion (WAS: insiders: cannon companion due?)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:48:36 EST
In a message dated 3/1/00 2:10:30 PM US Eastern Standard Time, lurch@****.net
writes:

>
> Feedback?

I snipped the ideas you had here Lurch, and I admit they do seem to be good
ones. What I believe is sad to it is you aren't the first person to try to
do so. Ken/Tzeentch was working on stuff like this IIRC, as was "Subversive
Agent" (what the FRAG ever happened to real names anyway???). Trouble was,
no one wanted to really and truly follow through and support *THEM* in their
efforts either. Too bad really, they wanted to work on change.

But please, if you want to start a petition for just such a thing, I would be
happy to read it and "electronically" sign it if I found I agreed with it.

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-K
-"Just a Bastard"
-Hoosier Hacker House
"Children of the Kernel"
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/index.html]
Message no. 4
From: Rand Ratinac docwagon101@*****.com
Subject: SR3 Flavor Suggestion (WAS: insiders: cannon companion due?)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:03:10 -0800 (PST)
<Snipples(TM)>
> Ken/Tzeentch was working on stuff like this IIRC, as
was "Subversive Agent" (what the FRAG ever happened to
real names anyway???).
<Snippola(TM)>
> -K

Say hoo hah?

Look, everyone!

Hypocrisy in action!

Heh heh heh...

*Doc' pokes K repeatedly with his APM...*

====Doc'
(aka Mr. Freaky Big, Super-Dynamic Troll of Tomorrow, aka Doc'-booner)

S.S. f. P.S.C. & D.J.

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Message no. 5
From: abortion_engine abortion_engine@*******.com
Subject: SR3 Flavor Suggestion (WAS: insiders: cannon companion due?)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:30:14 -0500
From: <HHackerH@***.com>
> I snipped the ideas you had here Lurch, and I admit they do seem to
be good
> ones. What I believe is sad to it is you aren't the first person to
try to
> do so. Ken/Tzeentch was working on stuff like this IIRC, as was
"Subversive
> Agent" (what the FRAG ever happened to real names anyway???).
Trouble was,
> no one wanted to really and truly follow through and support *THEM*
in their
> efforts either. Too bad really, they wanted to work on change.

Hey, don't mind me. I'm just standing here.

By the way, what happened to real names is that some of us respect and
require privacy. After a certain amount of time, you don't need to
call him Subversive Agent, though; once people know who you're talking
about, you can simply call him SA, as people call me Æ. They'll get
the point.

> But please, if you want to start a petition for just such a thing, I
would be
> happy to read it and "electronically" sign it if I found I agreed
with it.

Myself, as well, obviously. In fact, if anyone requires a resource of
ideas and votes on the issue, I am the clearinghouse for all such
e-mails and posts. I'm glad to help.

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"There is no greater sorrow than to recall a happy time in the midst
of wretchedness." - Dante Alighieri : The Inferno
Message no. 6
From: HHackerH@***.com HHackerH@***.com
Subject: SR3 Flavor Suggestion (WAS: insiders: cannon companion due?)
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:48:20 EST
In a message dated 3/2/00 2:03:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
docwagon101@*****.com writes:

> Say hoo hah?
>
> Look, everyone!
>
> Hypocrisy in action!
>
> Heh heh heh...
>
> *Doc' pokes K repeatedly with his APM...*

Smiles at Doc' very strangely ... noting nothing in particular.

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-K
-"Just a Bastard"
-Hoosier Hacker House
"Children of the Kernel"
[http://members.aol.com/hhackerh/index.html]

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