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From:	00DNA <mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject:	SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 09:50:01 -0400

Message no. 1 Seeing as I got SO much info on the SR3 book before it came in, I was
wondering what's going to be in the other books. I've heard lot's of
speculations about the bigger ones MitS, CC, and MaM...but it's too early
to get detailed info on these books.
Since the GM Screen is geared to come out soon (anyone heard an estimated
date?), I was wondering what's going to be in it.
The old GM screen came with the Contacts book. I know that this one is
suppose to come out with Critters, but is that it?

--00DNA
<<Replication Terminated>>

From:	Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 08:56:52 -0600

Message no. 2 At 09:50 9/9/98 -0400, 00DNA wrote

>Since the GM Screen is geared to come out soon (anyone heard an estimated
>date?)

Well, they said September at Gencon..

>The old GM screen came with the Contacts book. I know that this one is
>suppose to come out with Critters, but is that it?

It's a 48 page book with all the critters published in SR so far, "Except
for the lame ones" (Is that an exact quote?:)

-Adam J

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From:	David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:38:38 -0400

Message no. 3 On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Adam J wrote:

->It's a 48 page book with all the critters published in SR so far, "Except
->for the lame ones" (Is that an exact quote?:)

Ok, votes for the "lamest critter" in Shadowrun!
I vote for the century ferret. I've never found a really good
reason to ever use this critter.

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From:	Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:09:30 -0500

Message no. 4 > Ok, votes for the "lamest critter" in Shadowrun!
> I vote for the century ferret. I've never found a really good
>reason to ever use this critter.

We had century ferrets like the Earthdawn tourney at GenCon had raccoons.
Why? we dutifully asked our GM. Why were we seeing this same critter over
and over and over again? "They're cute," she dutifully replied as we hurled
dice at her.

My vote for the lamest critter is the greater armadillo, though now that I'm
building up the Texas campaign I might actually have a few walking around,
being generally stupid.

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:40:28 +0200

Message no. 5 According to 00DNA, at 9:50 on 9 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> Since the GM Screen is geared to come out soon (anyone heard an estimated
> date?), I was wondering what's going to be in it.
> The old GM screen came with the Contacts book. I know that this one is
> suppose to come out with Critters, but is that it?

And more contacts, AFAIK. According to the 1998 FASA catalog, it has
"information for the gamemaster: new creatures and creature powers, new
contacts and information on movers and shakers in the Shadowrun world."
However, this is the same catalog that says Target: Smuggler Havens has
ship construction rules... :)

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:40:28 +0200

Message no. 6 According to Adam J, at 8:56 on 9 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> It's a 48 page book with all the critters published in SR so far, "Except
> for the lame ones" (Is that an exact quote?:)

Yes, that's exactly what I remember FASAMike saying... Expect about 10 or
12 critters to be deleted from the ones in the two existing Paranormal
Animal books, going by the SR Q&A seminar at GenCon. Among these are,
IIRC, the bombardier and the hoop snake.

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:40:29 +0200

Message no. 7 According to David Foster, at 11:38 on 9 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> Ok, votes for the "lamest critter" in Shadowrun!
> I vote for the century ferret. I've never found a really good
> reason to ever use this critter.

I did -- it came running out of a forest during Harlequin's Back when the
PCs were hunting for food using bows and swords. One of the players ad
just decided it would be more efficient to catch the next animal in his
bare hands, so he grabbed hold of the century ferret and strangled it,
rather than try and hit it with his sword :)

Apart from that, they might make good pets, I don't know...

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From:	David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:57:04 -0400

Message no. 8 On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Patrick Goodman wrote:

->> Ok, votes for the "lamest critter" in Shadowrun!
->> I vote for the century ferret. I've never found a really good
->>reason to ever use this critter.
->
->We had century ferrets like the Earthdawn tourney at GenCon had raccoons.
->Why? we dutifully asked our GM. Why were we seeing this same critter over
->and over and over again? "They're cute," she dutifully replied as we
hurled
->dice at her.
->
->My vote for the lamest critter is the greater armadillo, though now that I'm
->building up the Texas campaign I might actually have a few walking around,
->being generally stupid.

I've used greater armadillo's though. They make great attack
critters in low-ceiling areas (like, drainage culverts) and when I've done
the Devil Rats thing to death.

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the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

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From:	00DNA <mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:50:02 -0400

Message no. 9 At 07:40 PM 9/9/98 +0200, Gurth wrote:

<snip GM Screen contains Critters and...?>

>And more contacts, AFAIK. According to the 1998 FASA catalog, it has
>"information for the gamemaster: new creatures and creature powers, new
>contacts and information on movers and shakers in the Shadowrun world."
>However, this is the same catalog that says Target: Smuggler Havens has
>ship construction rules... :)

So, I'll look forward to the Creatures...and mightly loosly expect more.
Thanks.
BTW, creature powers...I was surprised to see that Flame Projection is not
in SR3. Fire Elementals and Dragons can't do that any more? Seems
surprising.

--00DNA
<<Replication Terminated>>

From:	Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 13:43:17 -0700

Message no. 10 :->It's a 48 page book with all the critters published in SR so far,
"Except
:->for the lame ones" (Is that an exact quote?:)
:
: Ok, votes for the "lamest critter" in Shadowrun!
: I vote for the century ferret. I've never found a really good
:reason to ever use this critter.

We actually had one in game (or maybe it was a quicksilver mongoose)-
we had a rigger who also had Panormal Animal Training as a skill- he owned
two hellhounds and a ferret. (GM winged the cost, the player was a newby,
so DON'T ask how to do it)
The ferret got used a a "carrier pigion" in the Double Exposure
modual. The ferret died. HMM, maybe it is kinda lame.

Mongoose

From:	K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:46:15 EDT

Message no. 11 In a message dated 9/9/1998 9:58:32 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
adamj@*********.HTML.COM writes:

> It's a 48 page book with all the critters published in SR so far, "Except
> for the lame ones" (Is that an exact quote?:)
>
> -Adam J
>
In a word, -YES-

:P

-K

From:	Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:18:07 -0500

Message no. 12 ----------
> From: 00DNA <mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU>

> BTW, creature powers...I was surprised to see that Flame Projection is
not
> in SR3. Fire Elementals and Dragons can't do that any more? Seems
> surprising.

Try "innate spell ability: Flamethrower"

From:	00DNA <mcmanus@******.ALBANY.EDU>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:50:45 -0400

Message no. 13 At 03:18 PM 9/9/98 -0500, Nexx wrote:

>> BTW, creature powers...I was surprised to see that Flame Projection is
>not
>> in SR3. Fire Elementals and Dragons can't do that any more? Seems
>> surprising.
>
>Try "innate spell ability: Flamethrower"

Ah...that makes some sense. I wasn't looking at the book when I wrote it
and I didn't remember seeing anything "wrong" with the Fire Elementals. It
was just when late last night I was trying to convert a run into SR3, that
I was looking up Flame Projection because of a dragon and didn't see it
listed.
Thanks though.

--00DNA
<<Replication Terminated>>

From:	Danyel N Woods <9604801@********.AC.NZ>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:49:09 +1200

Message no. 14 Quoth Gurth (0540 10-09-98 NZT):

>> It's a 48 page book with all the critters published in SR so far, "Except
>> for the lame ones" (Is that an exact quote?:)
>
>Yes, that's exactly what I remember FASAMike saying... Expect about 10 or
>12 critters to be deleted from the ones in the two existing Paranormal
>Animal books, going by the SR Q&A seminar at GenCon. Among these are,
>IIRC, the bombardier and the hoop snake.

Now, the bombardier I could understand dropping (I mean, apart from being
Rocky on steroids, it isn't really dangerous anyway) but c'mon, the hoop
snake is a fun concept - hell, I'm fairly sure it even ties in with the
local legends.

Danyel Woods - <mailto:9604801@********.ac.nz>
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From:	bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:07:35 -0400

Message no. 15 > >> It's a 48 page book with all the critters published in SR so far,
> "Except
> >> for the lame ones" (Is that an exact quote?:)
> >
> >Yes, that's exactly what I remember FASAMike saying... Expect about
> 10 or
> >12 critters to be deleted from the ones in the two existing
> Paranormal
> >Animal books, going by the SR Q&A seminar at GenCon. Among these are,
> >IIRC, the bombardier and the hoop snake.
>
Please tell me they are leaving out that damn goofy
looking deer thing. Does anyone know what this thing is called?

From:	Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Wed, 9 Sep 1998 23:26:50 -0400

Message no. 16 At 02:46 PM 9/9/98 EDT, K in the Shadows wrote these timeless words:
>In a message dated 9/9/1998 9:58:32 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
>adamj@*********.HTML.COM writes:
>
>> It's a 48 page book with all the critters published in SR so far, "Except
>> for the lame ones" (Is that an exact quote?:)
>>
>> -Adam J
>>
>In a word, -YES-
>
WHy do I have a wierd image of The Brain (From Pinky and the Brain) here?

<grin>

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From:	Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:56:01 +0200

Message no. 17 According to 00DNA, at 13:50 on 9 Sep 98, the word on the street was...

> BTW, creature powers...I was surprised to see that Flame Projection is not
> in SR3. Fire Elementals and Dragons can't do that any more? Seems
> surprising.

They've replaced it by the power Innate Spell (Flamethrower), as you can
see in the description for the fire elemental on page 266 and the generic
dragon description on page 268. This does seem an easier way of doing it,
because in the game world the spell and the critter power had much the
same effect, but they had separate rules behind the scenes.

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From:	David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:40:29 -0400

Message no. 18 On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, 00DNA wrote:

->At 03:18 PM 9/9/98 -0500, Nexx wrote:
->
->>> BTW, creature powers...I was surprised to see that Flame Projection is
->>>not in SR3. Fire Elementals and Dragons can't do that any more?
->>>Seems surprising.
->>
->>Try "innate spell ability: Flamethrower"
->
->Ah...that makes some sense. I wasn't looking at the book when I wrote it
->and I didn't remember seeing anything "wrong" with the Fire Elementals. It
->was just when late last night I was trying to convert a run into SR3, that
->I was looking up Flame Projection because of a dragon and didn't see it
->listed.

Anyone has proposed changes on how innate spell abilities work, or
are they described in the SR3 book as well? I was putting together a
physad with the innate spell ability to Heal, but then I realized that the
description in SRComp says the spell has a force equal to the magic
attribute of the individual - 1. That's all fine and dandy but how many
dice are you supposed to roll (since you don't roll Force dice in SR3).
My idea was just to use his Magic Rating as the skill rating but I wanted
to hear if any of you had already come up with a better method.

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the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
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From:	"M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:20:35 EDT

Message no. 19 In a message dated 9/10/98 7:32:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US writes:

> Anyone has proposed changes on how innate spell abilities work, or
> are they described in the SR3 book as well? I was putting together a
> physad with the innate spell ability to Heal, but then I realized that the
> description in SRComp says the spell has a force equal to the magic
> attribute of the individual - 1.

Actually the magical abilities in the Shadowrun companion were designed to
create a new form of magical adept, one with very focused abilities and not to
give those who already have magical abilities more of them.

The editing job hacked the rules to pieces, but that's FASA for you.

The full version of the rules can be found at

http://www.arc.unm.edu/~james/skenson/magic_edges.html

and most likely at Kenson's home page located at

http://members.aol.com/talonmail/

Enjoy!

-Bandit

From:	David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Thu, 10 Sep 1998 10:16:57 -0400

Message no. 20 On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, M. Sean Martinez wrote:

->In a message dated 9/10/98 7:32:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
->fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US writes:
->
->> Anyone has proposed changes on how innate spell abilities work, or
->> are they described in the SR3 book as well? I was putting together a
->> physad with the innate spell ability to Heal, but then I realized that the
->> description in SRComp says the spell has a force equal to the magic
->> attribute of the individual - 1.
->
->Actually the magical abilities in the Shadowrun companion were designed to
->create a new form of magical adept, one with very focused abilities and not to
->give those who already have magical abilities more of them.
<snip remainder>

Well, I was thinking "Paladin's laying on hands" for a physad.
Are you telling me to forget it? I thought it would be a great idea.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
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From:	"D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Thu, 10 Sep 1998 16:45:48 -0500

Message no. 21 On Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:40:29 -0400 David Foster <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
writes:
<SNIP>
> Anyone has proposed changes on how innate spell abilities work,
or
>are they described in the SR3 book as well? I was putting together a
>physad with the innate spell ability to Heal, but then I realized that
the
>description in SRComp says the spell has a force equal to the magic
>attribute of the individual - 1. That's all fine and dandy but how many
>dice are you supposed to roll (since you don't roll Force dice in SR3).
>My idea was just to use his Magic Rating as the skill rating but I
wanted
>to hear if any of you had already come up with a better method.
>
>Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
<SNIP Sig>

If you want to treat that ability as a critter ability, that'd work. If
not, then buying that edge would, IMO, make the char eligible to learn
Sorcery.

D. Ghost
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From:	"M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject:	Re: SR3 GM Screen Info?
Date:	Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:09:09 EDT

Message no. 22 In a message dated 9/10/98 10:08:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US writes:

> Well, I was thinking "Paladin's laying on hands" for a physad.
> Are you telling me to forget it? I thought it would be a great idea.

Actually no, I was letting you know how the powers/rules are supposed to work
so that down the road your GM does not surprise you with it.

However, utilzing the ability in that way could make for some intreasting
characters. Imagine an adept that could turn invisible, or one with a fire
ball spell.

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