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Message no. 1
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:31:46 -0500
>It will only be at GenCon or as a promotional item to retails order 24
copies.
>
>FASA

I just got this fron Fasa Marketing themselves
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Message no. 2
From: Grahamdrew <mnemonic25@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:02:25 -0400
> >It will only be at GenCon or as a promotional item to retails order 24
> copies.
> >
> >FASA
>
> I just got this fron Fasa Marketing themselves

That's really wierd, becuase he dude at the hobby shot said they were
going to be getting 2 or three hardbacks, and there was no way they
would order 48-72 softcovers, it's kinda small....

Gunna have to call back tomarrow
Message no. 3
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:26:10 -0500
At 12:02 AM 7/14/98 -0400, Grahamdrew wrote:
# > >It will only be at GenCon or as a promotional item to retails order 24
# > copies.
# > >
# > >FASA
# >
# > I just got this fron Fasa Marketing themselves
#
# That's really wierd, becuase he dude at the hobby shot said they were
# going to be getting 2 or three hardbacks, and there was no way they
# would order 48-72 softcovers, it's kinda small....

well, I am NOT the kind of person to make up this email, I can send anyone
that doubts me a copy.

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Message no. 4
From: Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:34:06 -0400
At 12:02 AM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> >It will only be at GenCon or as a promotional item to retails order 24
>> copies.
>> >
>> >FASA
>>
>> I just got this fron Fasa Marketing themselves
>
>That's really wierd, becuase he dude at the hobby shot said they were
>going to be getting 2 or three hardbacks, and there was no way they
>would order 48-72 softcovers, it's kinda small....
>
>Gunna have to call back tomarrow
>

I talked to the 2 hobby stores in town here about the hard cover last
night. The one didn't know about it, but said they were sending people to
GenCon and that they would try to pick up a few. The other one said that
the distributor had both of them listed in the book and he cold just order
some. BUT, he said that the price that they listed gave retail as $30 for
the softcover and $50 for the hardcover! I saw on FASA's page, and in
emails from FASA posted here that the softcover was going for $25 on first
printing before being bumped up to $30 for all others. I don't think
anyones said anything about price.

So has anyone heard how much they're going to cost? I'm trying to figure
out if this guy's distributer is wrong, the guy's wrong or he's just trying
to gougue me of some extra cash.

Any help?

Sommers
"Damn #@%@#$%ing hardcover, make it so damn @^%#^&%ing hard to get..."
Message no. 5
From: Grahamdrew <mnemonic25@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:00:14 -0400
> well, I am NOT the kind of person to make up this email, I can send anyone
> that doubts me a copy.
>

I'm sorry, I don't doubt that this is what happened. I'm more concerneed
that the guy's distributer may be giving out false info. I called him
and he said he's gunna be contacting his distributer to find out what
the problem is, I should have the word in by 1 EST
Message no. 6
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:50:16 +0100
In article <3.0.5.32.19980713203146.007a2260@***.43.20.203>, Justin Bell
<justin@******.NET> writes
>>It will only be at GenCon or as a promotional item to retails order 24
>copies.
>>
>>FASA
>
>I just got this fron Fasa Marketing themselves

I can confirm that. I got the same reply. Bloody promotional only.
Great.


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Message no. 7
From: Steven McCormick <stardust@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:52:29 -0500
At 08:34 AM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Sommers
>"Damn #@%@#$%ing hardcover, make it so damn @^%#^&%ing hard to get..."
>
>

I agree.
<begin rant>
This marketing ploy by FASA is a load of bullshit. I personally have been
waiting a long time for the opportunity to get a harcover SR core rulebook
(for the obvious reason that a core rulebook gets so much use) and I had
thought that my chance had come with the publication of SR3. Not so it
seems.
I have been playing Shadowrun since shortly after SR2 came out and have
bought just about every SR rulebook and adventure I could get my hands on
since that time (I even have a couple of SR1 rulebooks), some of them I
haven't even read yet. That's a LOT of money going into FASA's coffers
from one individual. But I can tell you right now, if FASA can't make a
product, that they know will be highly desirable, available to me and a
great many other people, then I can and will take my money someplace else,
there are plenty of other RPG's out there that interest me.
I certainly can't blame the list members that are going to GenCon for not
wanting to buy 10 or 15 copies (even if they can) of the book for us
diehard SR players and lug them around for several days, this is a
ridiculous request, and what if the books get stolen?
I know I'm being selfish in the fact that I really don't care what FASA's
reasons are for this extreme limitation of the SR3 hardbound edition, but I
do know that one of the basic rules of a successful business is customer
satisfaction (keep those people coming back for more) and frankly, I'm not
satisfied.
<end rant>
For those of you that read this to the end, thanks for listening. :)

BlueMule
Ah, I feel better now.
Message no. 8
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:51:40 +0100
In article <3.0.5.32.19980714083406.008044a0@*****.engin.umich.edu>,
Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU> writes
>So has anyone heard how much they're going to cost? I'm trying to figure
>out if this guy's distributer is wrong, the guy's wrong or he's just trying
>to gougue me of some extra cash.
>
>Any help?

According to Fasa Mktg the soft will be $25 and Hardback $30


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Message no. 9
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:13:34 -0500
On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:52:29 -0500 Steven McCormick <stardust@***.NET>
writes:
>At 08:34 AM 7/14/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Sommers
>>"Damn #@%@#$%ing hardcover, make it so damn @^%#^&%ing hard to
get..."

>I agree.
><begin rant>
<SNIP>
><end rant>
>For those of you that read this to the end, thanks for listening. :)

Hunh? Did you say something? ;) Actually, whilst I am not dissatidfied
to such a degree that I would consider diverting my funds from FASA, I
*am* dissatisfied enough to get grumpy if I can't get a hardback... I
NEED a hardback ... my softbacks are in crappy shape ... I know some of
the other listmembers' books are probably in worst shape but my 1rst
edition has its binding held together with electrical tape (And is coming
close to being the BWB - Big White Book, the Blue is rubbing off) and my
2nd Ed has 30 or so loose pages. This is all without much actually use
of the books until recently ... I don't want this to happen with my 3rd
Edition as well. Hmmmm ... Actually ICE did something interesting with
their RMSS books (most of them anyway) All the pages are preforated and
have holes for a 3 ring binder ... FASA could probably do that too ...
now that I think about it ... none of my RMSS books have loose pages but
then again it's too early to tell if that's because their bindings are
better or because I just haven't used them enough :)

>BlueMule
>Ah, I feel better now.

Good. :) The bill is $99.95 or one SR3 Hardback, please.

D.Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, and RuPixel)
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Message no. 10
From: Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 08:31:40 -0400
At 01:51 AM 7/15/98 +0100, you wrote:
>In article <3.0.5.32.19980714083406.008044a0@*****.engin.umich.edu>,
>Sommers <sommers@*****.UMICH.EDU> writes
>>So has anyone heard how much they're going to cost? I'm trying to figure
>>out if this guy's distributer is wrong, the guy's wrong or he's just trying
>>to gougue me of some extra cash.
>>
>>Any help?
>
>According to Fasa Mktg the soft will be $25 and Hardback $30
>

That's what I thought someone said. So if I take your word for it (and you
seem an honest fellow;), either he's wrong, his supplier is trying to screw
him or he's trying to screw me. I think its one of the first 2, since
generally he's a nice guy.

Great, it looks like I can get one, but no idea how much I should set aside
for it!

>Avenger

Sommers
"Its only a book. Go to the happy place..."
Message no. 11
From: Randy Nickel <RANNIC@****.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 10:08:48 -0700
D.Ghost wrote:

>Good. :) The bill is $99.95 or one SR3 Hardback, please.

I know that I am getting in late on this, since I just got back from
camping, but I was wondering if anyone is going to pick up hardbacks at
GenCon if we give them money?

Anyone, Bueller....Bueller????

Otter
Message no. 12
From: peterottwell <peterottwell@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:39:47 -0700
>
> Hunh? Did you say something? ;) Actually, whilst I am not dissatidfied
> to such a degree that I would consider diverting my funds from FASA, I
> *am* dissatisfied enough to get grumpy if I can't get a hardback... I
> NEED a hardback ... my softbacks are in crappy shape ... I know some of
> the other listmembers' books are probably in worst shape but my 1rst
> edition has its binding held together with electrical tape (And is coming
> close to being the BWB - Big White Book, the Blue is rubbing off) and my
> 2nd Ed has 30 or so loose pages. This is all without much actually use
> of the books until recently ... I don't want this to happen with my 3rd
> Edition as well. Hmmmm ... Actually ICE did something interesting with
> their RMSS books (most of them anyway) All the pages are preforated and
> have holes for a 3 ring binder ... FASA could probably do that too ...
> now that I think about it ... none of my RMSS books have loose pages but
> then again it's too early to tell if that's because their bindings are
> better or because I just haven't used them enough :)
>
> >BlueMule
> >Ah, I feel better now.
>
> Good. :) The bill is $99.95 or one SR3 Hardback, please.

Hay, I got an idea. Take all the pages out of the SR 1 and 2 books and
holepunch them, then put time into binders!!!

p.s. Try not to rip the pages!
Message no. 13
From: Philippe Garneau <pgarneau@****.ULAVAL.CA>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:46:00 -0400
-----Message d'origine-----
De : peterottwell <peterottwell@*******.COM>
À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date : 15 juillet, 1998 15:30
Objet : Re: SR3 Hardback


>>
>> Hunh? Did you say something? ;) Actually, whilst I am not dissatidfied
>> to such a degree that I would consider diverting my funds from FASA, I
>> *am* dissatisfied enough to get grumpy if I can't get a hardback... I
>> NEED a hardback ... my softbacks are in crappy shape ... I know some of
>> the other listmembers' books are probably in worst shape but my 1rst
>> edition has its binding held together with electrical tape (And is coming
>> close to being the BWB - Big White Book, the Blue is rubbing off) and my
>> 2nd Ed has 30 or so loose pages. This is all without much actually use
>> of the books until recently ... I don't want this to happen with my 3rd
>> Edition as well. Hmmmm ... Actually ICE did something interesting with
>> their RMSS books (most of them anyway) All the pages are preforated and
>> have holes for a 3 ring binder ... FASA could probably do that too ...
>> now that I think about it ... none of my RMSS books have loose pages but
>> then again it's too early to tell if that's because their bindings are
>> better or because I just haven't used them enough :)
>>
>> >BlueMule
>> >Ah, I feel better now.
>>
>> Good. :) The bill is $99.95 or one SR3 Hardback, please.
>
>Hay, I got an idea. Take all the pages out of the SR 1 and 2 books and
>holepunch them, then put time into binders!!!
>
> p.s. Try not to rip the pages!
>

My experience with binders was very very bad (remember the first
incarnation of TSR's Monstrous Compendium anyone?), and I found out that
they had an even shorter œ-life than softbacks with bad glue in the binding.
The pages have a tendancy to break out of the rings when you turn them.
And the rings of the binder develop gaps after a lot of opening/closing, and
become hazardous to the pages. Further, binders takes more space than
books, with a lot less page capacity. One costly solution to preserve
pages in a binders are those plastic sheaths.

Just my very very humble opinion on the subject, expressed as a mini-rant.

Phil

"If it's ok to use oil-drillers as astronauts, it should be
ok to sign up computer technicians to defuse a nuclear
bomb."

- an Hollywood producer brainstorming on the next year's
summer hit movie.
Message no. 14
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 21:26:24 EDT
In a message dated 7/15/98 3:30:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
peterottwell@*******.COM writes:

> Hay, I got an idea. Take all the pages out of the SR 1 and 2 books and
> holepunch them, then put time into binders!!!

Actually Knko's used to do that for you at only a slight charge.They copuld
even rebind the book into a hardcover format.

-El Bandit

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Message no. 15
From: Justin Bell <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:11:26 -0500
>Delivered-To: justin@******.net
>From: <FASAMktg@***.com>
>Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:44:41 EDT
>To: justin@******.net
>Subject: Re: Re: SR3 Hardback
>X-Mailer: AOL 2.7 for Mac sub 3
>
>Keep checking the web site for future details.
>
>FASA
>
>
>
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Message no. 16
From: Robert Nesius <nesius@******.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:37:22 -0700
A quick word on alternative form factors for books losing pages.

One of my players has taken every one of his books to Kinko's, had the
spine cut, the pages punched with those skinyy flat holes all the way
up, and then bound with those plastic circular spines. He had
the covers laminated.

I have to say this is probably the best functional form factor I've
seen for rpg books. When you open them, they open out flat, and
stay open. The laminated covers hold up. The pages don't tear out
(none of his have over a lot of years of use).

It is the /least/ attractive packaging I've seen, and the books will never
stack perfectly nicely, but in terms of using the books, it's the
best way to go that I've seen. As a GM, when I start to get into
more than a few books during a combat scene or something (using archetypes
or referencing rules or whatnot), it starts to get messy and I need a
lot of space. With the books chopped like my player, I can just
plop them in front of me, they stay open, lay flat, and don't take up
space.

Just an FYI for those with damaged books, or otherwise interested. Try
it with one of your beat up books. You may not like the way it looks,
but you'll love it when you actually use it during a game.

-Rob

At 7:45 PM -0000 7/15/98, Philippe Garneau wrote:
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : peterottwell <peterottwell@*******.COM>
>À : SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
>Date : 15 juillet, 1998 15:30
>Objet : Re: SR3 Hardback
>
>
>>>
>>> Hunh? Did you say something? ;) Actually, whilst I am not dissatidfied
>>> to such a degree that I would consider diverting my funds from FASA, I
>>> *am* dissatisfied enough to get grumpy if I can't get a hardback... I
>>> NEED a hardback ... my softbacks are in crappy shape ... I know some of
>>> the other listmembers' books are probably in worst shape but my 1rst
>>> edition has its binding held together with electrical tape (And is comin=
g
>>> close to being the BWB - Big White Book, the Blue is rubbing off) and my
>>> 2nd Ed has 30 or so loose pages. This is all without much actually use
>>> of the books until recently ... I don't want this to happen with my 3rd
>>> Edition as well. Hmmmm ... Actually ICE did something interesting with
>>> their RMSS books (most of them anyway) All the pages are preforated and
>>> have holes for a 3 ring binder ... FASA could probably do that too ...
>>> now that I think about it ... none of my RMSS books have loose pages but
>>> then again it's too early to tell if that's because their bindings are
>>> better or because I just haven't used them enough :)
>>>
>>> >BlueMule
>>> >Ah, I feel better now.
>>>
>>> Good. :) The bill is $99.95 or one SR3 Hardback, please.
>>
>>Hay, I got an idea. Take all the pages out of the SR 1 and 2 books and
>>holepunch them, then put time into binders!!!
>>
>> p.s. Try not to rip the pages!
>>
>
> My experience with binders was very very bad (remember the first
>incarnation of TSR's Monstrous Compendium anyone?), and I found out that
>they had an even shorter ½-life than softbacks with bad glue in the bindi=
ng.
>The pages have a tendancy to break out of the rings when you turn them.
>And the rings of the binder develop gaps after a lot of opening/closing, an=
d
>become hazardous to the pages. Further, binders takes more space than
>books, with a lot less page capacity. One costly solution to preserve
>pages in a binders are those plastic sheaths.
>
>Just my very very humble opinion on the subject, expressed as a mini-rant.
>
>Phil
>
>"If it's ok to use oil-drillers as astronauts, it should be
>ok to sign up computer technicians to defuse a nuclear
>bomb."
>
>- an Hollywood producer brainstorming on the next year's
>summer hit movie.
Message no. 17
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:15:59 +0100
Robert Nesius said on 0:37/16 Jul 98,...

> One of my players has taken every one of his books to Kinko's, had the
> spine cut, the pages punched with those skinyy flat holes all the way
> up, and then bound with those plastic circular spines. He had
> the covers laminated.
>
> I have to say this is probably the best functional form factor I've
> seen for rpg books. When you open them, they open out flat, and
> stay open. The laminated covers hold up. The pages don't tear out
> (none of his have over a lot of years of use).

I've used this for most of my net.sourcebooks collection (16
books out of 20), and I agree with Robert in that the books stay
nice and flat when you open them. OTOH, the rings and/or plastic
spine tend to break after some time; nearly all of them are
missing rings, except for the latest acquisitions, and some even
miss parts of the spine itself.

<GridSec>
BTW, Robert, could you place your reply _after_ the message you
quote, and delete unnecessary parts of that message? Thanks.
</GridSec>

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Message no. 18
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hardback
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:05:56 -0300
At 11:15 16/07/98 +0100, you wrote:
>Robert Nesius said on 0:37/16 Jul 98,...
>
>I've used this for most of my net.sourcebooks collection (16
>books out of 20), and I agree with Robert in that the books stay
>nice and flat when you open them. OTOH, the rings and/or plastic
>spine tend to break after some time; nearly all of them are
>missing rings, except for the latest acquisitions, and some even
>miss parts of the spine itself.

You can use a metal spine (you know, that semi-flexible wire?).

Bira
Message no. 19
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 15:53:43 EDT
Greetings!!

I just got off the phone with my game distributor (I am a retailer) and I
asked them about the situation with the SR3 Hard Back. He said that game
stores will be able to order any amount of the HardCover version.

The 1 in 24 off is for a limited "gold" edition of the book that will be
signed by the authors and game designers.

I hope this helps to clear everything up. If someone has already posted this,
I apologize for the repeat.

-El Bandit
Message no. 20
From: roun <roun@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 13:17:13 PDT
el bandit wrote:
| Greetings!!
|
| I just got off the phone with my game distributor (I am a retailer) and I
| asked them about the situation with the SR3 Hard Back. He said that game
| stores will be able to order any amount of the HardCover version.
|
| The 1 in 24 off is for a limited "gold" edition of the book that will be
| signed by the authors and game designers.
|
| I hope this helps to clear everything up. If someone has already posted
this,
| I apologize for the repeat.
|
| -El Bandit

WOOHOO!!! this is very good news as my sr2 book is falling apart and i
don't want to get another softcover. thanks for the info.

roun aka david
roun@***.net

<<please direct all flames to my email address above, NOT the list>>
Message no. 21
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:10:33 -0400
At 01:17 PM 7/22/98 PDT, roun wrote these timeless words:

off is for a limited "gold" edition of the book that will be
>| signed by the authors and game designers.
>|
>| I hope this helps to clear everything up. If someone has already posted
>this,
>| I apologize for the repeat.
>|
>| -El Bandit
>
>WOOHOO!!! this is very good news as my sr2 book is falling apart and i
>don't want to get another softcover. thanks for the info.
>
Don;t rejoice too much yet...

There is a LOT of speculation and debate over just what is getting shipped
where, and in what condition. And beware Distributors blowing smoke out of
their asses... They do it all the time...

Up till this point, FASA has denied having a "Limited EDition" other than
the standard Hardback, which is a limited edition in that it's a limited
print run. And this is the first I think ANYONE'S heard of a Gold Edition...

Bull
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Message no. 22
From: K is the Symbol <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 02:42:59 EDT
In a message dated 7/22/1998 2:55:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
ElBandit@***.COM writes:

> The 1 in 24 off is for a limited "gold" edition of the book that will be
> signed by the authors and game designers.
>
> I hope this helps to clear everything up. If someone has already posted
this,
>
> I apologize for the repeat.
>
This is interesting, yet another variation on the story theme....

=K
Message no. 23
From: Martin Steffens <chimerae@***.IE>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 12:34:04 +0000
and thus did M. Sean Martinez speak on 22 Jul 98 at 15:53:

> The 1 in 24 off is for a limited "gold" edition of the book that will be
> signed by the authors and game designers.

Oh gods, now we get the whole thread all over again, but now with
people who want the special gold version...


Martin Steffens
chimerae@***.ie
Message no. 24
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:38:30 EDT
In a message dated 7/22/98 7:02:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chaos@*****.COM
writes:

> There is a LOT of speculation and debate over just what is getting shipped
> where, and in what condition. And beware Distributors blowing smoke out of
> their asses... They do it all the time...

While I can agree with you that Distributors have said untrue things, I am
inclinded to believe this particular one, since I was talking to the head of
trade sales. Generally they know what is going on.

> Up till this point, FASA has denied having a "Limited EDition" other than
> the standard Hardback, which is a limited edition in that it's a limited
> print run. And this is the first I think ANYONE'S heard of a Gold
Edition...

Actually this is the second I have heard of a Gold Edition. I plan on calling
FASA and at least trying to get some sort of answer out of them.

-Bandit
Message no. 25
From: Tim Burke <ranger@********.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:27:57 +1000
>> The 1 in 24 off is for a limited "gold" edition of the book that will
be
>> signed by the authors and game designers.
>
>Oh gods, now we get the whole thread all over again, but now with
>people who want the special gold version...
>

I'll have my SR3 with a gold edition limited print run hardbacked
book signed by everyone who'e ever played Shadowrun
.....with a twist of lemon.

:)

Tim Burke
ranger@********.com.au

"Cocaine is God's way of saying you're making too much money."
-Robin Williams
15 Dec 1990
Message no. 26
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 14:47:44 -0400
At 07:10 PM 7/22/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 01:17 PM 7/22/98 PDT, roun wrote these timeless words:
>
>off is for a limited "gold" edition of the book that will be
>>| signed by the authors and game designers.
>>|
>>| I hope this helps to clear everything up. If someone has already posted
>>this,
>>| I apologize for the repeat.
>>|
>>| -El Bandit
>>
>Up till this point, FASA has denied having a "Limited EDition" other than
>the standard Hardback, which is a limited edition in that it's a limited
>print run. And this is the first I think ANYONE'S heard of a Gold Edition...

Which they have done so again.

I just got an e-mail from Rett in which he reiterated their position that
there is only one edition/version of the hardback and that there is no
truth to that particular rumor.

I strongly suspect El Bandit that this is your distributor either not
telling the truth or being misinformed. I'll let you decide which.

Erik J.


http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
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Message no. 27
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:02:17 EDT
In a message dated 7/23/98 2:54:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, erikj@****.COM
writes:

> I strongly suspect El Bandit that this is your distributor either not
> telling the truth or being misinformed. I'll let you decide which.

I do intend to find out which and how he came to this particular conclusion.

-Bandit
Message no. 28
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 17:07:09 -0400
At 03:02 PM 7/23/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 7/23/98 2:54:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, erikj@****.COM
>writes:
>
>> I strongly suspect El Bandit that this is your distributor either not
>> telling the truth or being misinformed. I'll let you decide which.
>
>I do intend to find out which and how he came to this particular conclusion.

In all fairness, he's probably a victim of the same rumors that the rest of
us are.

Damn but RPGers are a rumormongering lot!

I've asked FASA, from a PR counsel perspective, to hasten their posting of
their decision and what they are going to really do, even if it is doing
nothing different.

As for my source, it, as usual, was Rett Kipp, FASA Marketing. If needed,
I can forward individual e-mails from him to the list or privately if a
point needs to be proven, by me or someone else.

Erik J.


http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/dungeon/480/index.html
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Message no. 29
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 22:12:58 +0100
And verily, did Erik Jameson hastily scribble thusly...
|I strongly suspect El Bandit that this is your distributor either not
|telling the truth or being misinformed. I'll let you decide which.

Hehehehe...

I can just picture it now. A small room in the back of the distributors
stacked full of Hardbacks, and a bunch of teenagers with writers cramp
trying to sign them all in different handwriting....

:)
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Message no. 30
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR3 Hard Back
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:11:18 EDT
In a message dated 7/23/98 5:16:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

> I can just picture it now. A small room in the back of the distributors
> stacked full of Hardbacks, and a bunch of teenagers with writers cramp
> trying to sign them all in different handwriting....

Don't forget painting the books gold and binding them in leather!

LOL

-Bandit

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