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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Hardback debacle
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:27:59 -0600
Dhl9@***.COM wrote:
/
/ ...a number of Shadowrun players in my local area that are
/ not happy about not having a shot at the limited edition books unless they
/ could find some way to get to GenCon. The consensus is that FASA should have
/ held a few back. 10, 100, I won't try to put a number on it, and offered them
/ by lottery or even first come first serve to people who couldn't get there.

>From: FASAMktg@***.com
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:17:42 EDT
>
>FYI: The limited ed. SR3 was sold at GenCon. We have a limited number (72)
>available for sale on-line. We are taking orders beginning at 10:00 am
CDT on
>Monday the 17th. Orders placed prior to 10 CDT will be returned. We are
also
>accepting orders via fax (*312-243-4847) after 10 on Monday. Limit 1 per
>household.
>
>The Limited ed is $30 + shipping & handling (see our web order form).
>
>There are no plans for a regular hardback.
>
>FASA

-David
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Message no. 2
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Hardback debacle
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:10:59 -0400
On 14 Aug 98, at 13:16, Dhl9@***.COM wrote:

> I think that not letting it be known could have caused a bigger problem. I
> have been talking to a number of Shadowrun players in my local area that
> are not happy about not having a shot at the limited edition books unless
> they could find some way to get to GenCon. The consensus is that FASA
> should have held a few back.

Ok, here is my rant against whiney ass complaining, number 2:

The book you refer to is a "Special Limited Edition". Special,
because it was only available at GenCon. Limited, because only 1000
were printed. How could it be any clearer?

Can't make it to GenCon? I'm sorry, but tough cookies. Every game
company (not just FASA) comes up with gimmicks and hooks to get
people to come to conventions and trade shows. Other industries do it
too. Incredibly cool things are sold and/or given away at shows such
as Comdex and E3. It's par for the course, so get over it.

FASA has 72 of the books left over which you can order on Monday, so
you and the "number of Shadowrun players in your area" can have a
shot at them. You can be quiet now.

I don't believe the demand is as high as you seem to indicate. Of the
25,000 or more at GenCon, only a little over 900 books were sold.
That's less than 4%. FASA didn't even sell out, for crying out loud!
Apparently things are not as bad as you indicate. I think this is
just a case of blowing the whole thing out of proportion, and then
whining about it.

Gang, I'm sorry if I seem to be so grumpy, but there seems to be an
increased amount of whining on the list lately, or I am just very
irritable. A good nights sleep should prove which is the case.

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Message no. 3
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Hardback debacle
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:47:20 EST
> > I think that not letting it be known could have caused a bigger problem. I
> > have been talking to a number of Shadowrun players in my local area that
> > are not happy about not having a shot at the limited edition books unless
> > they could find some way to get to GenCon. The consensus is that FASA
> > should have held a few back.
>
> Ok, here is my rant against whiney ass complaining, number 2:
>
> The book you refer to is a "Special Limited Edition". Special,
> because it was only available at GenCon. Limited, because only 1000
> were printed. How could it be any clearer?
>
> Can't make it to GenCon? I'm sorry, but tough cookies. Every game

I think the complaint is (or at least it should be) that we all
expected the Hardbacks to be available in general, with a few rumors
about Special Editions, but even FASA said there was NO such thing.
(Different reps said it different ways, leading to a general "no
special edition" mush, which may not have been exactly what they were
trying to say.

Of course, it could just be that the public is spoiled after NERPS...

-=SwiftOne=-



> company (not just FASA) comes up with gimmicks and hooks to get
> people to come to conventions and trade shows. Other industries do it
> too. Incredibly cool things are sold and/or given away at shows such
> as Comdex and E3. It's par for the course, so get over it.
>
> FASA has 72 of the books left over which you can order on Monday, so
> you and the "number of Shadowrun players in your area" can have a
> shot at them. You can be quiet now.
>
> I don't believe the demand is as high as you seem to indicate. Of the
> 25,000 or more at GenCon, only a little over 900 books were sold.
> That's less than 4%. FASA didn't even sell out, for crying out loud!
> Apparently things are not as bad as you indicate. I think this is
> just a case of blowing the whole thing out of proportion, and then
> whining about it.
>
> Gang, I'm sorry if I seem to be so grumpy, but there seems to be an
> increased amount of whining on the list lately, or I am just very
> irritable. A good nights sleep should prove which is the case.
>
> --
>
> =================================================================
> - Tim Kerby - drekhead@***.net - ICQ-UIN 2883757 -
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> "Reality is the only obstacle to happiness." - Unknown
> =================================================================
>
Message no. 4
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Hardback debacle
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:42:31 -0400
On 14 Aug 98, at 14:47, Brett Borger wrote:

> I think the complaint is (or at least it should be) that we all
> expected the Hardbacks to be available in general, with a few rumors
> about Special Editions, but even FASA said there was NO such thing.
> (Different reps said it different ways, leading to a general "no
> special edition" mush, which may not have been exactly what they were
> trying to say.

Well, don't be too hard on them. Ever tried to throw a suprise party
and invite more than 10 people? Damned hard to keep locked down. I
think many factors played into the "leaks", including sparse
knowledge of FASA's plans, to ad-libbing (however unsuccessful)
information to cover up knowledge.

Hopefully in the future, the tact will be to play "Mum's the word".
If they have to say anything, they should say "Something very special
is coming up. Stay tuned."

Just my two cents.

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Message no. 5
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Hardback debacle
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:06:40 EST
> Well, don't be too hard on them. Ever tried to throw a suprise party
> and invite more than 10 people? Damned hard to keep locked down. I
> think many factors played into the "leaks", including sparse
> knowledge of FASA's plans, to ad-libbing (however unsuccessful)
> information to cover up knowledge.
>
> Hopefully in the future, the tact will be to play "Mum's the word".
> If they have to say anything, they should say "Something very special
> is coming up. Stay tuned."

I'd rather have the full and complete truth, from one central source
that can be easily independently verified. (Such as, say, the FASA
Webpage, where a person could (theoretically) go to find details
about an upcoming release before it happened).

-=SwiftOne=-
Gross! I've got sarcasm dripping down my chin!

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