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From:	Rafael Vega fliavega@***.net.co
Subject:	SR3 Matrix Question
Date:	Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:38:19 -0500

Message no. 1 What is the cost for persona programs in SR3?
or are they included in the stock cyberdeck types listed on p 207 SR3?

From:	Ken Ken@********.com
Subject:	SR3 Matrix Question
Date:	Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:54:09 -0400

Message no. 2 On Sunday, June 20, 1999 4:38 PM, Rafael Vega [SMTP:fliavega@***.net.co]
wrote:
> What is the cost for persona programs in SR3?
> or are they included in the stock cyberdeck types listed on p 207 SR3?
>
>
>
If memory serves, they are included with the cyberdeck. I didn't see any
provision for creating your own persona but I'm sure its
possible...depending on your GM

Ken

From:	Da Twink Daddy datwinkdaddy@*********.com
Subject:	SR3 Matrix Question
Date:	Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:57:29 -0500

Message no. 3 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ken <Ken@********.com>

> > What is the cost for persona programs in SR3?
> > or are they included in the stock cyberdeck types listed on p 207
SR3?

> If memory serves, they are included with the cyberdeck. I didn't
see any
> provision for creating your own persona but I'm sure its
> possible...depending on your GM

For some quite odd reason, SR3 (as far as I can see, I only got the
book 2 days ago...) left out the multipliers or any real information
about Persona Chips. If I remember my VR2 rules correctly, Persona
chips are bought just like any other program (though, there may
be/should be come cost for burning the chips.) Bod and Evasion have a
multiplier of 4; Masking and Sensor have a multiplier of 3, IIRC.

<Warning: Everything else I say is based on what I remember from VR2,
but may or may not be accurate!>

Also, if a Decker actually buys any program legally at the cost
listed, it includes source. I think you knock of 20% for object only.
Getting this on the street is subject to GMs discretion, but usually I
say that you do get the source if you pay full price, but they
normally offer you the cheap object only code first. Also, any Persona
chips that are bought, are object code only, source code is newer
'hardwired' in this day and age and I don't see a reason for it:
However, when you buy legally, or at full price (IMC), you will get
the program (software) with source. Or w/o source if you take their
'discount.'

<*End Warning*>

If you are going to have any serious Deckers or even non-serious
do-it-yourself-ers, you will greatly enjoy having VR2. Yes, SR3
superceded VR2, but there are a multitude of rules that weren't
carried even mentioned in SR3.

Oh I also have some matrix questions (I haven't played in a while...
these might be easy):
Is ripper damage automatically permanent?
What happens to an icon that has an attribute at zero? I would guess
that depends on the attribute because 'normal' users don't have
masking or evasion. Are you 'autocrashed' if you have sensors/bod of
0?
Can persona chips be run at less than their max rating? I seems to
remember this being a yes by something in VR2...
If above is yes, I assume that the 'effective rating' of the chip
cannot be changed mid-connection?
Also if yes, How would you handle a ripper attack against something
being run at a lower rating... I have some ideas but.. I'll hold them
for later.

Da Twink Daddy
bss03@*******.uark.edu
ICQ# 514984

From:	Oliver McDonald oliver@*********.com
Subject:	SR3 Matrix Question
Date:	Sun, 20 Jun 1999 15:58:43 -0700 (PDT)

Message no. 4 On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 16:54:09 -0400, Ken wrote:

>On Sunday, June 20, 1999 4:38 PM, Rafael Vega [SMTP:fliavega@***.net.co]
>wrote:
>> What is the cost for persona programs in SR3?
>> or are they included in the stock cyberdeck types listed on p 207 SR3?
>>
>If memory serves, they are included with the cyberdeck. I didn't see any
>provision for creating your own persona but I'm sure its
>possible...depending on your GM

According to my BABY you can use everything with a couple of exceptions from VR
2.0, so go by the costs in there.

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From:	Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject:	SR3 Matrix Question
Date:	Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:07:35 +0200

Message no. 5 According to Rafael Vega, at 15:38 on 20 Jun 99, the word on
the street was...

> What is the cost for persona programs in SR3?
> or are they included in the stock cyberdeck types listed on p 207 SR3?

For the decks in the SR3 main rules, the cost is included. I believe it
was Rob Boyle (or perhaps Mongoose) who made a comment to the extent that
FASA calculated the deck costs with the highest possible Persona programs
installed, and then increased the price a bit more.

If you want to calculate the actual costs of Persona programs, you'll need
Virtual Realities 2.0, which has them on page 89 if you want off-the-shelf
costs, or pages 84-85 should you decide to write them yourself.

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