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Message no. 1
From: Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
Subject: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:08:22 -0400
Hi, folks, another SR3 idea to knock around:

What about calling physical adepts by another name? I know it might cause
compatibility problems and I'm not incredibly fond of changing an existing
game-term, but in the processing of re-defining elements of the magic system
to help clarify and clean up the terminology it stikes me that physical
adepts are unlike all other adepts in that their abilities are not a subset
of the abilities of magicians, but unique unto themselves. Physical adepts
also differ from other adepts in that they do not follow either the hermetic
or shamanic tradition, but are in many ways a magical tradition unto
themselves.

It seems it would be simpler to redefine "adept" as "a character with a
subset of the abilities of a magician" and come up with another name for
physical adepts so when the rules say "adept" you know they mean characters
like shamanic adepts, sorcery adepts, etc. and not physical adepts.

That, and the name "physical adept" just doesn't really say Shadowrun to me.
I can see a character in the Sixth World using the term "mage,"
"shaman," or
even "adept." But I have a tough time thinking anyone on the street calls
someone a "physical adept," except perhaps to use the common-parlance term
"physad."

Any thoughts on this?
Steve K.
Message no. 2
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:17:44 -0700
Steve Kenson wrote:

> Hi, folks, another SR3 idea to knock around:

> What about calling physical adepts by another name?

Sure. (Not meant to be snide: can we call a shadowrun something else,
too?)

> I know it might cause compatibility problems and I'm not incredibly fond of changing
an existing
> game-term,

I don't see this as a big issue: players from previous versions will
probably *still* call them physads. And the newer players will stare at
us like we're talking about Moxen.

> but in the processing of re-defining elements of the magic system
> to help clarify and clean up the terminology it stikes me that physical
> adepts are unlike all other adepts in that their abilities are not a subset
> of the abilities of magicians, but unique unto themselves. Physical adepts
> also differ from other adepts in that they do not follow either the hermetic
> or shamanic tradition, but are in many ways a magical tradition unto
> themselves.

Until you come to the physical mage and shamanic physical adepts, that
is...
Both of which, if kept, desperately need expanding on.

> It seems it would be simpler to redefine "adept" as "a character with
a
> subset of the abilities of a magician" and come up with another name for
> physical adepts so when the rules say "adept" you know they mean characters
> like shamanic adepts, sorcery adepts, etc. and not physical adepts.

This I can see.

> That, and the name "physical adept" just doesn't really say Shadowrun to
me.
> I can see a character in the Sixth World using the term "mage,"
"shaman," or
> even "adept." But I have a tough time thinking anyone on the street calls
> someone a "physical adept," except perhaps to use the common-parlance term
> "physad."

> Any thoughts on this?

It is, however, the best explanation for what a "martial arts mage" is:
physical. And street names for them.. are probably along lines of
"Slugger." Fraid I don't have any better suggestions.

Worst case scenario: The Immortal Elves come up with their own unique
martial arts form (which, to follow the pattern, sounds a lot like
Tao). Either that, or call them Akashics (and why WW went with *that*
name is beyond me.)

> Steve K.
Message no. 3
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:17:34 -0500
How about "The Gifted"?
"Master"?
Unfortunately, "Adept" is probably the best, with
what are currently called Adepts being called
"Partial Magicians" or something. After all,
doesn't Adept mean "good at something"?

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 4
From: Matb <mbreton@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:34:25 -0700
Mike Elkins wrote:
>
> How about "The Gifted"?
> "Master"?
> Unfortunately, "Adept" is probably the best, with
> what are currently called Adepts being called
> "Partial Magicians" or something. After all,
> doesn't Adept mean "good at something"?
>
> Double-Domed Mike

OR.. (big drumroll for a lousy joke)

All Physads are true-meld insect spirits..

...called Grasshoppers!


Well, dammit, someone was going to use that one someday...
Message no. 5
From: Daniel Gelinsky <dunkelzahn@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad Name?
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:29:34 -0700
> Worst case scenario: The Immortal Elves come up with their own unique
> martial arts form (which, to follow the pattern, sounds a lot like
> Tao). Either that, or call them Akashics (and why WW went with *that*
> name is beyond me.)

In the Tir Tairngire Sourcebook it talks of an elven martial art that is
similar to Ninjitsu called Carromeleg... (don'tcha just hate them IE's?)

---Daniel Gelinske
Message no. 6
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:17:27 -0600
At 17:08 8/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi, folks, another SR3 idea to knock around:
>
>What about calling physical adepts by another name? I know it might cause
<Snipped>

All of that sounds like valid reasons for changing the name of a Physical
Adept, however, I can't think of anything better to call it off the top of
my head..

-Adam

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Message no. 7
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:44:01 EDT
On Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:08:22 -0400 Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
writes:

>Any thoughts on this?


Well, it wouldn't be a totally off idea to create a term for physical
adepts, not unlike how Conjuring Adepts are called Conjurors, Sorcery
Adepts are Sorcerors, etc. Another name for the Shamanic Adepts
(Shamanists?) wouldn't be totally out of line, either.


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Message no. 8
From: Lorden <westln@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:10:10 -0400
It's a good idea if you can find a good name. After 5 minutes of
thinking I drew a blank on a good one.

The other choice would be to classify adepts into two
catagories.

Physical Adepts- physads
Magacian Adepts- everyone else

This would require that you never use the word adept without the
qualifier. Given FASA's record on wording things clearly, I'd
say your idea is better.

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Message no. 9
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:20:15 -0400
Greetings!!!

How about Techno-Ninjas or Street Ninjas?

(I know, somewhat generic)

-bandit
Message no. 10
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:26:50 -0600
At 22:20 8/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Greetings!!!
>
>How about Techno-Ninjas or Street Ninjas?
>
>(I know, somewhat generic)

And very misleading, since most Physads aren't really Ninja types, as far
as I see..

-Adam

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Message no. 11
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:27:10 -0400
M. Sean Martinez once dared to write,

>Greetings!!!
>
>How about Techno-Ninjas or Street Ninjas?
>
>(I know, somewhat generic)

And culture restricted... of course we got the Street Samurai
though. Even though the powers are not limited to certain cultures the
physical adept concept to me seems more centered in China and not Japan
so a Japanese reference feels way off for me. Any new name should be
Chinese in origin or non-cultural all together. Don't forget it's the
Hermetic colleges that like to do this labeling for the 6th world.

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Message no. 12
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:17:26 +0500
On 20 Aug 97 at 17:08, Steve Kenson wrote:

> Hi, folks, another SR3 idea to knock around:
> What about calling physical adepts by another name?

Seeing as how physical adepts channel their magic into their bodies
to get their powers, how about calling them "channelers"? Or how
about "mystics", as their magic is mysterious, and not understood by
hermetics, or shamans, or even mundanes for that matter. They are
unique.

Just my two nuyen.

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Message no. 13
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:07:47 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-20 22:26:32 EDT, you write:

<< And very misleading, since most Physads aren't really Ninja types, as far
as I see.. >>

Well, yeah.

It was just a thought.

-Bandit
Message no. 14
From: Steve Kenson <TalonMail@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 01:30:14 -0400
Nigel <westln@***.EDU> wrote:
>It's a good idea if you can find a good name. After 5 minutes of
>thinking I drew a blank on a good one.

Same here so far : )

>The other choice would be to classify adepts into two
>catagories.
>
>Physical Adepts- physads
>Magacian Adepts- everyone else
>
>This would require that you never use the word adept without the
>qualifier. Given FASA's record on wording things clearly, I'd
>say your idea is better.

This is actually what I've done so far in my SR3 proposals and outlines
(using Physical Adept and Magical Adept to divide the two). Having something
distinctive to call a physical adept along the same lines of "mage" for
hermetic magician and "shaman" for shamanic magician would be nice, though.

Steve K.
Message no. 15
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 05:22:14 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-20 17:20:37 EDT, you write:

> I can see a character in the Sixth World using the term "mage,"
"shaman,"
> or
> even "adept." But I have a tough time thinking anyone on the street calls
> someone a "physical adept," except perhaps to use the common-parlance term
> "physad."
>
> Any thoughts on this?

Personally, while changing the name does cause some logistical problems, you
have a good point. I've noticed in the (relatively few) novels I read that
physical adepts are the only ones not called by the archetype name on the
streets, and I don't think it's just due to lack of noticeability. OTOH, I
can't come up with a single decent idea for WHAT to change it to. Physical
Masters are the only thing that comes to mind, but that's really bad.

Wolfstar
Message no. 16
From: Technomancer <arvanit@***.UCH.GR>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:46:59 +0300
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, George Metz wrote:

> Personally, while changing the name does cause some logistical problems, you
> have a good point. I've noticed in the (relatively few) novels I read that
> physical adepts are the only ones not called by the archetype name on the
> streets, and I don't think it's just due to lack of noticeability. OTOH, I
> can't come up with a single decent idea for WHAT to change it to. Physical
> Masters are the only thing that comes to mind, but that's really bad.

How about 'Enchanced' or 'Bodily Focused'?

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Message no. 17
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:41:08 +0100
Steve Kenson said on 17:08/20 Aug 97...

> What about calling physical adepts by another name? [snip]

Not one of the best ideas you've come up with, IMHO. Like you said it
would create an easy way of keeping track of the kind of adept (physical
or other) that's meant by any given rule, but it will conflict with the
past 8 years of SR. Bound to cause a lot of confusion, I think, mostly to
new players since most of the older books that mention physads will be
misunderstood.

"I found thic 'Corporate Security Handbook' in my game store, and it
gives some 'phyical adept abilities' on page 104. Are these similar to
[insert new name here]???"

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Message no. 18
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:44:32 +1000
> >It's a good idea if you can find a good name. After 5 minutes of
> >thinking I drew a blank on a good one.
>
> Same here so far : )
>

The other question is what you're going to call a Physical Mage.

> >The other choice would be to classify adepts into two
> >catagories.
> >
> >Physical Adepts- physads
> >Magacian Adepts- everyone else
> >
> >This would require that you never use the word adept without the
> >qualifier. Given FASA's record on wording things clearly, I'd
> >say your idea is better.
>
> This is actually what I've done so far in my SR3 proposals and outlines
> (using Physical Adept and Magical Adept to divide the two). Having something
> distinctive to call a physical adept along the same lines of "mage" for
> hermetic magician and "shaman" for shamanic magician would be nice, though.
>

All mages and shamans are are two different variations on the 'Magical
Adept'... They have their rules developed a bit more than the other adepts,
but you could quite easily sub-classify the Physcial Adept into titles
like 'Ninja', 'Martial Artist' 'Athlete', etc based upon the type of
enhancements chosen.

I can't think of a suitable replacement term either.


BTW (On the subject of Phys Ads); I'd like to see some from of Reflex Boost
power included in 3rd ed, sort of equivalent to the other Attribute
Boost powers already in the game. (Sample rules can be found in the
vicinity of http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1503/sr if you're
interested) A reflex boost power would go a long way to making it
possible for a physical adept to compete with a samurai on intiative


Cheers
Marty
Message no. 19
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 06:58:17 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-21 03:25:15 EDT, Steve Kenson wrote:

> This is actually what I've done so far in my SR3 proposals and outlines
> (using Physical Adept and Magical Adept to divide the two). Having
something
> distinctive to call a physical adept along the same lines of "mage" for
> hermetic magician and "shaman" for shamanic magician would be nice,
though.

Here's a wacky thought. How about more than one type of Physical Adept? You
could have sensory adepts, gymnastic adepts, etc. Granted, it's much more
limiting than your standard Physical Adept, but if character generation for
SR3 is going to be utilizing the point-based system, you could work something
along the lines of your magical ability breakdown list.

Wolfstar - Thinking about calling them Physicians.... =)
Message no. 20
From: Mike Bobroff <AirWisp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 07:21:11 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-21 07:17:07 EDT, you write:

>This is actually what I've done so far in my SR3 proposals and outlines
(using Physical Adept and Magical Adept to divide the two). Having something
distinctive to call a physical adept along the same lines of "mage" for
hermetic magician and "shaman" for shamanic magician would be nice, though.

> Here's a wacky thought. How about more than one type of Physical Adept?
You could have sensory adepts, gymnastic adepts, etc. Granted, it's much
more limiting than your standard Physical Adept, but if character generation
for SR3 is going to be utilizing the point-based system, you could work
something along the lines of your magical ability breakdown list.

Guys, how about just sticking with 'Physical Adept', as adding so many more
names will become confusing, and it is rather apparent to me that a physical
adept is someone whos magic has manifested in superior (hopefully) physical
talents and abilities.

Mike
Message no. 21
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:17:31 -0400
MARTIN E. GOTTHARD once dared to write,

>All mages and shamans are are two different variations on the 'Magical
>Adept'... They have their rules developed a bit more than the other adepts,
>but you could quite easily sub-classify the Physcial Adept into titles
>like 'Ninja', 'Martial Artist' 'Athlete', etc based upon the type of
>enhancements chosen.

Or a simple Athletic Adept for the name. It's PC (politically
correct sounding) enough and close to the physical adept name. Although
an entry like "Athletic Adepts (formerly known as Physical Adepts)..."
will probably be overlooked it might be understood.

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 22
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:14:56 -0600
Mike Elkins wrote:
|
| How about "The Gifted"?
| "Master"?
| Unfortunately, "Adept" is probably the best, with
| what are currently called Adepts being called
| "Partial Magicians" or something. After all,
| doesn't Adept mean "good at something"?

I spent some time trying to come up with a new name for the Physad,
and couldn't do it. Then I read Mike's post and got a better idea.

Change the names of the other magicians that currently have the word
"Adept" in them. There should be more than enough options available
in the various mythologies and legends.

Then you'll have your Physical Adept all by his lonesome :)

-David
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Message no. 23
From: "Steven A. Tinner" <bluewizard@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:51:51 -0400
>> What about calling physical adepts by another name? [snip]
>
>Not one of the best ideas you've come up with, IMHO. Like you said it
>would create an easy way of keeping track of the kind of adept (physical
>or other) that's meant by any given rule, but it will conflict with the
>past 8 years of SR. Bound to cause a lot of confusion, I think, mostly to
>new players since most of the older books that mention physads will be
>misunderstood.

I have to agree with Gurth here.
This just sounds like a poor idea all around.
Although, I will admit that IMO physad is as descriptive a term as samurai.
It's more of a class name than anything else.
In our games physads usually call themselves something else anyway -
Blademasters, Martial Artists, Ninjas, Gifted, Talented, Lucky SOB, etc.

Leave the name physad alone.
It's just broad enough to cover what it needs to cover.

Steven A. Tinner
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Message no. 24
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:42:53 EDT
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:46:59 +0300 Technomancer <arvanit@***.UCH.GR>
writes:

>How about 'Enchanced' or 'Bodily Focused'?


I thought we were looking for a street-type name, as opposed to something
that would be 'politically correct' :) Something like the Spirit Warrior
from Awakenings, though that would only really apply to a particular
subset of the physad population:) Shamanic Physads could easily become
'Totem Warriors' or something similar. Hmm...

In any case, we should keep 'physical adept' as the official 'game term',
though a slang term, something equivalent to the way street samurai would
*really* be used:), would be helpful.


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Message no. 25
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:34:32 -0500
At 12:41 PM 8/21/97 +0100, Gurth wrote:
#Steve Kenson said on 17:08/20 Aug 97...
#
#> What about calling physical adepts by another name? [snip]
#
#Not one of the best ideas you've come up with, IMHO. Like you said it
#would create an easy way of keeping track of the kind of adept (physical
#or other) that's meant by any given rule, but it will conflict with the
#past 8 years of SR. Bound to cause a lot of confusion, I think, mostly to
#new players since most of the older books that mention physads will be
#misunderstood.
#
#"I found thic 'Corporate Security Handbook' in my game store, and it
#gives some 'phyical adept abilities' on page 104. Are these similar to
#[insert new name here]???"

Or Awakenings for that matter
;)
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Message no. 26
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:29:58 +0100
David Buehrer said on 8:14/21 Aug 97...

> Change the names of the other magicians that currently have the word
> "Adept" in them. There should be more than enough options available
> in the various mythologies and legends.

This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The only
one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
already in use.

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Message no. 27
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:33:00 -0500
At 10:29 PM 8/21/97 +0100, Gurth wrote:
#David Buehrer said on 8:14/21 Aug 97...
#
#> Change the names of the other magicians that currently have the word
#> "Adept" in them. There should be more than enough options available
#> in the various mythologies and legends.
#
#This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
#becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The only
#one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
#already in use.

Elemental adpets would also cause problems, Earther, Waterer, Firer, Airer?

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Message no. 28
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:48:29 -0600
Gurth wrote:
|
| David Buehrer said on 8:14/21 Aug 97...
|
| > Change the names of the other magicians that currently have the word
| > "Adept" in them. There should be more than enough options available
| > in the various mythologies and legends.
|
| This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
| becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The only
| one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
| already in use.

Witch.

-David
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Message no. 29
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:49:30 -0600
Jaymz wrote:
|
| At 10:29 PM 8/21/97 +0100, Gurth wrote:
| #David Buehrer said on 8:14/21 Aug 97...
| #
| #> Change the names of the other magicians that currently have the word
| #> "Adept" in them. There should be more than enough options available
| #> in the various mythologies and legends.
| #
| #This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
| #becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The only
| #one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
| #already in use.
|
| Elemental adpets would also cause problems, Earther, Waterer, Firer, Airer?

Elementalists. Earth Elementalist, Water Elementalist, Fire Elementalist,
Air Elementalist.

-David
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Message no. 30
From: John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:42:37 -0500
>Not one of the best ideas you've come up with, IMHO. Like you said it
>would create an easy way of keeping track of the kind of adept (physical
>or other) that's meant by any given rule, but it will conflict with the
>past 8 years of SR. Bound to cause a lot of confusion, I think, mostly to
>new players since most of the older books that mention physads will be
>misunderstood.

I think Gurth is probably right here. It would cause more confusion than its
worth. *shrug* Just my opinion.

John
Message no. 31
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:55:07 EDT
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:14:56 -0600 David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
writes:

>I spent some time trying to come up with a new name for the Physad,
>and couldn't do it. Then I read Mike's post and got a better idea.
>
>Change the names of the other magicians that currently have the word
>"Adept" in them. There should be more than enough options available
>in the various mythologies and legends.


Shouldn't be too hard, since:

Sorcery Adept=Sorceror
Conjuring Adept=Conjuror
Enchanting Adept=Enchanter
Elemental Adept=Elementalist
Shamanic Adept=uh-oh...
Astral Adept=double uh-oh

Well, with the exception of the Shamanic and Astral Adept, alternate
names exist for all the adepts I can recall.


--
-Canthros
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and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
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Message no. 32
From: John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:32:13 -0500
>This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
>becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The only
>one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
>already in use.

How about "Demi-Shaman" or somesuch?

John
Message no. 33
From: John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:33:19 -0500
>Elemental adpets would also cause problems, Earther, Waterer, Firer, Airer?

How about "Elementalist"? There are Elementalists in Earthdawn. Dont know if
they are the same thing or not though.

John
Message no. 34
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 18:37:59 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-21 16:48:13 EDT, you write:

> | This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
> | becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The
only
> | one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
> | already in use.
>
> Witch.

Nice thought, but it won't work. Witches have nothing resembling the
restrictions of a Shamanic Adept. In fact, if you were to make a Witch/Wiccan
variant of Shamans & Shamanic Adepts, they'd probably have two totems(Moon
and Sun, Earth Mother and Creator, Horned God and Moon Maiden, etc.)

Wolfstar
Message no. 35
From: John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:38:15 -0500
>Astral Adept=double uh-oh

Perhaps "seer" or "oracle"
Message no. 36
From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:25:41 EDT
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:38:15 -0500 John Dukes <dukes@*******.NET> writes:
>>Astral Adept=double uh-oh
>
>Perhaps "seer" or "oracle"


Actually, I was thinking of something along the lines of 'ether-boy' ;)
Also: 'seer' and 'oracle' are terms usually associated with someone who
sees the future, is clairvoyant, etc. Not just with someone who can read
auras.


--
-Canthros
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and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
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Message no. 37
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:00:44 -0600
John Dukes wrote:
|
| >Astral Adept=double uh-oh
|
| Perhaps "seer" or "oracle"

Hows about "Spiritualist"?

-David
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Message no. 38
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 21:07:38 -0600
George Metz wrote:
|
| In a message dated 97-08-21 16:48:13 EDT, you write:
|
| > | This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
| > | becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The
| only
| > | one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
| > | already in use.
| >
| > Witch.
|
| Nice thought, but it won't work. Witches have nothing resembling the
| restrictions of a Shamanic Adept. In fact, if you were to make a Witch/Wiccan
| variant of Shamans & Shamanic Adepts, they'd probably have two totems(Moon
| and Sun, Earth Mother and Creator, Horned God and Moon Maiden, etc.)

Sure, Wiccan Shamans might be offended, but an uninformed reporter
during the early days of magic might've coined the phrase and it
could've stuck. Missunderstanding is 9/10ths of perception. And it
adds some color. It might also be used as a derogetory term by full
hermetic mages. I'm just throwing out ideas here :)

-David
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which ones to keep."
Message no. 39
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:45:47 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-21 05:23:16 EDT, W0lfstar@***.COM (George Metz)
writes:

>
> > I can see a character in the Sixth World using the term "mage,"
"shaman,"
> > or
> > even "adept." But I have a tough time thinking anyone on the street
calls
> > someone a "physical adept," except perhaps to use the
common-parlance
> term
> > "physad."
> >
> > Any thoughts on this?
>
I -JUST- had one. It's a butchering of their "formal name in the book",
what's wrong with a "PAD" ?!? They always tippy-toe around on them (the
pads of their feet), you need lots of note "pads" to keep track of the
character options...

I am being both serious and sarcastic here...it's something the "Street
Slang" could also easily pick up with...

-K
Message no. 40
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:52:08 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-21 06:57:01 EDT, s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU writes:

> > >It's a good idea if you can find a good name. After 5 minutes of
> > >thinking I drew a blank on a good one.
> >
> > Same here so far : )
> >
>
> The other question is what you're going to call a Physical Mage.
>
In response to the Physical Mage, and drawing on my previous article for the
Physical Adept's new name, how about a "PAG" or "PAM" or
"PAGE" and NO, I
won't go into the other more eschew variations using the "H"....
-K
Message no. 41
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 23:53:12 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-21 07:03:18 EDT, W0lfstar@***.COM writes:

>
> Wolfstar - Thinking about calling them Physicians.... =)
>
>
Hey, given Enhanced Centering (Technical) or (Medicine), I think I would
prefer it...
-K
Message no. 42
From: "J. Keith Henry" <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 00:22:01 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-21 16:38:48 EDT, justin@******.NET writes:

> #This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
> #becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The only
> #one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
> #already in use.
>
> Elemental adpets would also cause problems, Earther, Waterer, Firer,
Airer?
>
How about Dig, Drown, Burn, Blow????

Sorry, I don't know why I'm in this mood tonight...
-K
Message no. 43
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 03:41:37 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-21 20:28:48 EDT, you write:

> Seeing as how physical adepts channel their magic into their bodies
> to get their powers, how about calling them "channelers"? Or how
> about "mystics", as their magic is mysterious, and not understood by
> hermetics, or shamans, or even mundanes for that matter. They are
> unique.

I dunno about Mystics for physads, it may be too mysterious for them. And I
also get the impression that half the physads out there don't even realize
that they're magically active. They just believe in training the natural body
to as close to perfection as is possible. Channelers wouldn't work either,
first thing that comes to mind is Madame Zelda, Medium and Psychic. =)
OTOH, Mystics could work well as a new title for Shamanic Adepts....

Wolfstar
Message no. 44
From: "MARTIN E. GOTTHARD" <s457033@*******.GU.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 18:52:10 +1000
> | #This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
> | #becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The only
> | #one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
> | #already in use.
> |
> | Elemental adpets would also cause problems, Earther, Waterer, Firer, Airer?
>
> Elementalists. Earth Elementalist, Water Elementalist, Fire Elementalist,
> Air Elementalist.
>

(c) Earthdawn.... not that that's entirely bad, but the next item on the
cards is a Nethermancer. *grin*

Marty
Message no. 45
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:43:19 +0100
Jaymz said on 15:33/21 Aug 97...

> Elemental adpets would also cause problems, Earther, Waterer, Firer, Airer?

"Elementalist" would do nicely, I think. The exact orientation of the
elemental adept doesn't matter all that much. Shamanic and astral adepts
pose the real problems with new names ATM -- "shamanicist" doesn't sound
quite right :)

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Message no. 46
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:43:19 +0100
John Dukes said on 17:33/21 Aug 97...

> >Elemental adpets would also cause problems, Earther, Waterer, Firer, Airer?
>
> How about "Elementalist"? There are Elementalists in Earthdawn. Dont know
if
> they are the same thing or not though.

They're not; elementalists are what in Shadowrun would be full magicians,
except most of their spells and abilities somehow involve one of the five
elements. For comparison, in SR an elemental adept can only deal with
_one_ element.

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Message no. 47
From: Quickfix dive <eazy@*****.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:50:14 +1000
At 07:58 AM 22/08/97 -0500, Canthros wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:14:56 -0600 David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
>writes:
>
>>I spent some time trying to come up with a new name for the Physad,
>>and couldn't do it. Then I read Mike's post and got a better idea.
>>
>>Change the names of the other magicians that currently have the word
>>"Adept" in them. There should be more than enough options available
>>in the various mythologies and legends.
>
>
>Shouldn't be too hard, since:
>
>Sorcery Adept=Sorceror
>Conjuring Adept=Conjuror
>Enchanting Adept=Enchanter
>Elemental Adept=Elementalist
>Shamanic Adept=uh-oh...
>Astral Adept=double uh-oh
>
>Well, with the exception of the Shamanic and Astral Adept, alternate
>names exist for all the adepts I can recall.

The trouble with this direction is that although you distinguish between
these adepts and physads it is not in a way easy to refer to when singling
out physads. This is not to say I'm against dropping the adept from their
archetype just that it doesn't help singling out physads.

As far as renaming Physical adepts why not physad? It's just a name. It
doesn't really matter what it is or how the name came about. As David
pointed out it is usually the media that ends up coining these terms. Just
call 'em Physads - no explanation to the name it's just what they're called.

QuickFix

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The man who bought it did not use it;
The man who used it did not know it.
Message no. 48
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:02:43 -0600
Quickfix dive wrote:
|
| >Sorcery Adept=Sorceror
| >Conjuring Adept=Conjuror
| >Enchanting Adept=Enchanter
| >Elemental Adept=Elementalist
| >Shamanic Adept=uh-oh...
| >Astral Adept=double uh-oh
| >
| >Well, with the exception of the Shamanic and Astral Adept, alternate
| >names exist for all the adepts I can recall.
|
| The trouble with this direction is that although you distinguish between
| these adepts and physads it is not in a way easy to refer to when singling
| out physads. This is not to say I'm against dropping the adept from their
| archetype just that it doesn't help singling out physads.
|
| As far as renaming Physical adepts why not physad? It's just a name. It
| doesn't really matter what it is or how the name came about. As David
| pointed out it is usually the media that ends up coining these terms. Just
| call 'em Physads - no explanation to the name it's just what they're called.

Actually, that's what I was condoning in the first place. Continue to
refer to PAs as Physical Adepts (Physad on the street). To eliminate
confusion remove the word "Adept" from the names of the other adepts, or
change *their* name.

-David
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which ones to keep."
Message no. 49
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:36:35 EDT
In a message dated 97-08-22 05:48:38 EDT, gurth@******.NL writes:

> > How about "Elementalist"? There are Elementalists in Earthdawn. Dont
know
if
> > they are the same thing or not though.
>
> They're not; elementalists are what in Shadowrun would be full magicians,
> except most of their spells and abilities somehow involve one of the five
> elements. For comparison, in SR an elemental adept can only deal with
> _one_ element.
>
At home here, Elementalists are what we would call the "personified
elementals", or "Elemental Totems", going on an old idea....
-K
Message no. 50
From: Quickfix dive <eazy@*****.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 02:45:28 +1000
At 01:35 AM 23/08/97 -0500, you wrote:

>| As far as renaming Physical adepts why not physad? It's just a name. It
>| doesn't really matter what it is or how the name came about. As David
>| pointed out it is usually the media that ends up coining these terms. Just
>| call 'em Physads - no explanation to the name it's just what they're
called.
>
>Actually, that's what I was condoning in the first place. Continue to
>refer to PAs as Physical Adepts (Physad on the street). To eliminate
>confusion remove the word "Adept" from the names of the other adepts, or
>change *their* name.
>

I think you missed what I was saying David. I was saying rename Physical
Adepts to Physads with no mention of 'Physical Adepts' as the source of the
term Physad. Then you can group all the other adepts as adepts and leave
physads seperate. Steve wanted a way to refer to Physads without including
other adepts. You've dropped adept from what they call themslves but left
them as part of the adept magical sub-group which leaves the confusion. To
avoid this you could rename the sub-group specialist magicians or something
leaving physical adepts as the only adept. Or you could have physads (no
mention of physical adept) and the rest as part of the adept grouping.

hope that is clearer

QuickFix

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Message no. 51
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:40:57 -0600
Quickfix dive wrote:
|
[snip: Physical Adept to Physad]
|
| hope that is clearer

doh. I got it :) Okay, so now we've got Mages, Shamans, Physads,
Sorcerers, Elementalists, Conjurers, Mystics, Spiritualists, and
Physical Mages. Sound good?

-David
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Message no. 52
From: "Joshua M. Kanapkey" <Wakabout@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:04:42 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-22 03:45:05 EDT, David wrote:

<< The only
| one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
| already in use.

Witch. >>

How about changing Shamanic Adept to a "Totemic Adept" or "Totemist"
if we're
going to change the titles? I think Totemic Adept is a better fit, neh?
Superficial, yes, but still better, IMHO. I haven't been able to come up with
a decent new title for Physical Adepts, either, and I think shortening the
titles of Conjuring, Sorcery and Enchanting Adepts is a good idea.

Adieu,
Wakabout {{@***.com}}
Message no. 53
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:08:11 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-22 05:46:15 EDT, you write:

> > Elemental adpets would also cause problems, Earther, Waterer, Firer,
> Airer?
>
> "Elementalist" would do nicely, I think. The exact orientation of the
> elemental adept doesn't matter all that much. Shamanic and astral adepts
> pose the real problems with new names ATM -- "shamanicist" doesn't sound
> quite right :)

Ummm, why not Shamanist or Mystic? Throwing that C in there IS really
awkward.
Waitasec. How about changing the name of all the magical adepts to focalists?
It accurately describes the style of magic. Then you've got Shamanic
Focalist, Elemental Focalist, Conjuring Focalist, Sorceror Focalist, Astral
Focalist, Enchanter Focalist, and Physical Adept. I personally, upon
reflection, think that Adept is one of the best terms for physads. No one
who's pure meat can be anywhere near as good as a physad in quite a lot of
things.

Wolfstar
Message no. 54
From: Shaun Hall <Hard.master@********.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:38:56 -0700
----------
> From: John E Pederson <lobo1@****.COM>
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 2:55 PM
>
> On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 08:14:56 -0600 David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
> writes:
>
> >I spent some time trying to come up with a new name for the Physad,
> >and couldn't do it. Then I read Mike's post and got a better idea.
> >
> >Change the names of the other magicians that currently have the word
> >"Adept" in them. There should be more than enough options available
> >in the various mythologies and legends.
>
>
> Shouldn't be too hard, since:
>
> Sorcery Adept=Sorceror
> Conjuring Adept=Conjuror
> Enchanting Adept=Enchanter
> Elemental Adept=Elementalist
> Shamanic Adept=uh-oh...
> Astral Adept=double uh-oh
>
> Well, with the exception of the Shamanic and Astral Adept, alternate
> names exist for all the adepts I can recall.
>
>
> --
> -Canthros
> I had rather believe all the fables in the legends and the Talmud
> and the Alcoran, than that this universal frame is without a mind.
> --Francis Bacon
> Warning: Home Page in Transit

Why not call a shamanic adept a lesser shaman? An astral adept could be
called a sensitive, or a seer since their specialty seems to be astral
awareness and combat.
Message no. 55
From: Shaun Hall <Hard.master@********.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:35:02 -0700
----------
> From: J. Keith Henry <Ereskanti@***.COM>
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name?
> Date: Thursday, August 21, 1997 8:53 PM
>
> In a message dated 97-08-21 07:03:18 EDT, W0lfstar@***.COM writes:
>
> >
> > Wolfstar - Thinking about calling them Physicians.... =)
> >
> >
> Hey, given Enhanced Centering (Technical) or (Medicine), I think I would
> prefer it...
> -K

Why not just call them monks, ninjas, green berets, mojo warriors
etc?
Message no. 56
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:10:32 -0400
Shaun Hall once dared to write,

> Why not call a shamanic adept a lesser shaman? An astral adept could be
>called a sensitive, or a seer since their specialty seems to be astral
>awareness and combat.

I've considered the lesser shaman as well but decided against it on
the basis as too derivative. Sensitive is a good name. Consider it in use
here.

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Message no. 57
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:32:00 GMT
on 21.08.97 justin@******.NET wrote:

j> #This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
j> #becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The only
j> #one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
j> #already in use.
j>
j> Elemental adpets would also cause problems, Earther, Waterer, Firer, Airer?

Elementalist? Wasn't that how they were called? Fire-elementalist, etc.

Tobias
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Message no. 58
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:35:00 GMT
on 21.08.97 dbuehrer@****.ORG wrote:

d> | This is much easier: sorcery adept becomes sorcerer, conjuring adept
d> | becomes conjurer, enchanting adept becomes enchanter, and so on. The only
d> | one causing problems is the shamanic adept, I think, since shaman is
d> | already in use.
d>
d> Witch.

Nah. We already have wicca-cults (Wolfstar's gonna kill me for that) in SR
(I think it was somewhere in the Germany-sourcebook). They already use
witch as their name. I also don't remember any amerindian nearly-shamen
being called witch somewhere...

Tobias
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Message no. 59
From: George Metz <W0lfstar@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 16:28:35 -0400
In a message dated 97-08-26 19:33:07 EDT, you write:

> Nah. We already have wicca-cults (Wolfstar's gonna kill me for that) in SR
> (I think it was somewhere in the Germany-sourcebook). They already use
> witch as their name. I also don't remember any amerindian nearly-shamen
> being called witch somewhere...

I'll only kill you if you ask nicely, Tobias. =) The only mention of a group
of Wiccans that I've seen was in Grimoire II under magical groups, and they
were Dianic Femin--- Overly Feminocentric. =)

Wolfstar
Message no. 60
From: Tobias Berghoff <Zixx@*****.TEUTO.DE>
Subject: Re: [SR3] New Physad name? -Reply
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:25:00 GMT
on 27.08.97 W0lfstar@***.COM wrote:

W> > Nah. We already have wicca-cults (Wolfstar's gonna kill me for that) in
W> > SR (I think it was somewhere in the Germany-sourcebook). They already
W> > use witch as their name. I also don't remember any amerindian
W> > nearly-shamen being called witch somewhere...
W>
W> I'll only kill you if you ask nicely, Tobias. =)

Asking *nice*? Me? Never! :))

W> The only mention of a
W> group of Wiccans that I've seen was in Grimoire II under magical groups,
W> and they were Dianic Femin--- Overly Feminocentric. =)

Then it *was* in the Germany sourcebook (Well, it was in Deutschland in
den Schatten, so I'm not sure that it made it into the translation). They
were pretty powerful, IIRC.

Tobias

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