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Message no. 1
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: [SR3] Page 273, Col. 2, Line 23.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:33:18 -0400
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It's the trendy thing to do, on the list, to post one's first
impressions of SR3.

Here's mine.

If anyone ever doubts that SR3 captures the true spirit of all things
Shadowrun, I will refer them to the second column of page 273 of the
hardback.

On that page, they will find a page reference, for "p. XX."

I have lost count of how many different times, in the various
Shadowrun sourcebooks I own, there have been references for "p. XX";
perhaps this simply means I've gotten the early editions of the
sourcebooks.

To me, to be able to find a reference to p. XX, in my first reading --
in the product that is supposed to be _THE_ uberbook for Shadowrun in
the years to come, to me, that lets me know that even with all the
changes made, some things will never change.

For better or for worse, with all of it's touches of inspiration, and
all the oh-so-human smudges of mistakes, SR3 is worthy of claiming its
position as the flagship book of the Shadowrun line.

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Message no. 2
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Page 273, Col. 2, Line 23.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:40:24 +1000
> On that page, they will find a page reference, for "p. XX."

They don't happen to have twenty pages for the preliminary stuff, like the
Table of Contents, at all, do they? :)

Anyway, you should do the SR community a favour and post what page it's
meant to be.

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Message no. 3
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Page 273, Col. 2, Line 23.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:56:09 EDT
White Wolf actually went ahead and put a page XX in a book (clanbook
Malkavian if ya care :-), as a joke.
WW does have it decent side,
(hell, I thought the "vampires" in that plate were ghouls anyway)
Message no. 4
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Page 273, Col. 2, Line 23.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:58:42 -0500
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> From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>

> White Wolf actually went ahead and put a page XX in a book (clanbook
> Malkavian if ya care :-), as a joke.

So _that's_ what that was about!!! It confused the hell out of me for
years!

***************
Rev. Mark Hall, Bard to the Lady Mari
aka Pope Nexx Many-Scars
"The Kelti said of themselves that they did not lie, but they sometimes
took a very long way around in getting to the truth, with frequent stops
at interesting spots along the way."
-Morgan Llywelyn "The Horse Goddess"

Now who is really surprised that I own Clanbook: Malkvaian?
Message no. 5
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Page 273, Col. 2, Line 23.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:13:52 -0400
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At 11:40 AM 8/26/98 +1000, you wrote:
>> On that page, they will find a page reference, for "p. XX."
>
>They don't happen to have twenty pages for the preliminary stuff,
like the
>Table of Contents, at all, do they? :)

No, they do not. :)

>Anyway, you should do the SR community a favour and post what page
it's
>meant to be.

Oddly enough, the begining of the section refered to by the p. XX
reference occurs at the very bottom of the same page, p. 273. The bulk
of the section occurs on 274 though.

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Message no. 6
From: David Blank <XRacer8654@***.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Page 273, Col. 2, Line 23.
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:18:04 EDT
In a message dated 8/25/98 8:43:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
robert.watkins@******.COM writes:

> On that page, they will find a page reference, for "p. XX


Since SR3 isn't any form of software, I'm glad they got it out for Gencon.
This allowed them to have a big release during the con and got it in my hot
little hands that much faster. Waiting a few weeks for an Errata sheet is a
small price to pay.
Message no. 7
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: [SR3] Page 273, Col. 2, Line 23.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:45:43 -0400
> If anyone ever doubts that SR3 captures the true spirit of all things
> Shadowrun, I will refer them to the second column of page 273 of the
> hardback.
>
> On that page, they will find a page reference, for "p. XX."
>
> I have lost count of how many different times, in the various
> Shadowrun sourcebooks I own, there have been references for "p. XX";
> perhaps this simply means I've gotten the early editions of the
> sourcebooks.
>
> To me, to be able to find a reference to p. XX, in my first reading --
> in the product that is supposed to be _THE_ uberbook for Shadowrun in
> the years to come, to me, that lets me know that even with all the
> changes made, some things will never change.
>
Actually one of the first things I noticed was that
there were lots of accurate page references in the book. VERY impressive
for me. Having read White Wolf for so many years and seen "see pg. XX"
throughout a book the fact that they got even one of these right was
awesome.
This is the sort of improvement that SR REALLY needed.
It makes it pretty easy to find things in the book (a big annoyance for
me with SRI & II). If you get a related topic it'll point you to the
right section sooner or later.
They actually got rather silly with it from time to time
though. Several references are for the same page, a paragraph or two
above the reference.

All in all, good work.
Message no. 8
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Page 273, Col. 2, Line 23.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:24:16 +0000
bryan.covington@****.COM wrote:

> > To me, to be able to find a reference to p. XX, in my first reading --
> > in the product that is supposed to be _THE_ uberbook for Shadowrun in
> > the years to come, to me, that lets me know that even with all the
> > changes made, some things will never change.

> Actually one of the first things I noticed was that
> there were lots of accurate page references in the book. VERY impressive
> for me. Having read White Wolf for so many years and seen "see pg. XX"
> throughout a book the fact that they got even one of these right was
> awesome.
> This is the sort of improvement that SR REALLY needed.
> It makes it pretty easy to find things in the book (a big annoyance for
> me with SRI & II). If you get a related topic it'll point you to the
> right section sooner or later.
> They actually got rather silly with it from time to time
> though. Several references are for the same page, a paragraph or two
> above the reference.

In the SR seminars at Gencon one of the first things Mike asked us to look
for were incorrect references and the dreaded p.XX reference. The one we
have been talking about was the only one mentioned IIRC, and Mike thought
it was poetic that it referred to itself as well. They really tried to get
all the references correct and make everything easy to find. Nice work
Rob! :)

Caric

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