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Message no. 1
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Playtesting
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:01:56 -0600
Rookie wrote:
/
/ > To preempt a possible backlash on some to the listmembers who
/ > playtested SR3 I would like to make it clear that it was the _Magic_
/ > rules that were playtested. I do not care to hear any criticism of
/ > playtesters on matters they had nothing to do with.
/
/ Actually MC23 Loki's group play tested more than the Magic rules...

Well, we all got the complete Magic chapter. Then there was the email
mess for the Character Creation rules (sans Skills and Equipment), and
the test of the initiative and dice pool use rules (which Mike emailed
as an attachement from a Mac and none of us PC users could read the
thing, thank god someone converted it :)

-David
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Message no. 2
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Playtesting
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:18:29 -0400
Once upon a time, David Buehrer wrote;

>Well, we all got the complete Magic chapter. Then there was the email
>mess for the Character Creation rules (sans Skills and Equipment), and
>the test of the initiative and dice pool use rules (which Mike emailed
>as an attachement from a Mac and none of us PC users could read the
>thing, thank god someone converted it :)

Like it was any easier for us Mac user's to uncode.

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Message no. 3
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Playtesting
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:45:21 -0400
At 07:01 AM 8/10/98 -0600, David Buehrer wrote these timeless words:
>Rookie wrote:
>/
>/ > To preempt a possible backlash on some to the listmembers who
>/ > playtested SR3 I would like to make it clear that it was the _Magic_
>/ > rules that were playtested. I do not care to hear any criticism of
>/ > playtesters on matters they had nothing to do with.
>/
>/ Actually MC23 Loki's group play tested more than the Magic rules...
>
>Well, we all got the complete Magic chapter. Then there was the email
>mess for the Character Creation rules (sans Skills and Equipment), and
>the test of the initiative and dice pool use rules (which Mike emailed
>as an attachement from a Mac and none of us PC users could read the
>thing, thank god someone converted it :)
>
Just to finish up the playtest list, Myself, Loki, Caric, and Dvixen (Along
with Randall Bills from FASA) were all asked at GC97 to work on ideas for
various new initiative systems...

I also was asked for ideas about the VR2 stuff and what needed erratta'd or
distlled for SR3. Sadly, it ended up a bit more complicated than my ideas,
but such is life :]

Outside of that, I don;t know if anything else got playtested outside of
the writers and FASA...

Time limitations really prevented much more playtesting...

Bull
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Message no. 4
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Playtesting
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:52:09 +1000
On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Bull wrote:

> Outside of that, I don;t know if anything else got playtested outside of
> the writers and FASA...
>
> Time limitations really prevented much more playtesting...

Hmm. Much as I have a distressing tendency to be a complete fangirl when
it comes to FASA, I think this is a mistake. The SR3 launch is one of
the two biggest events in the history of Shadowrun (the SR2 launch being
the other ;) and I think rushing it just to release it in time for a con
is a mistake.

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Playtesting
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:57:05 +0100
And verily, did Lady Jestyr hastily scribble thusly...
|Hmm. Much as I have a distressing tendency to be a complete fangirl when
|it comes to FASA, I think this is a mistake. The SR3 launch is one of
|the two biggest events in the history of Shadowrun (the SR2 launch being
|the other ;) and I think rushing it just to release it in time for a con
|is a mistake.

Hmmmm....
I think you're forgetting something....
There were 3 "Biggest events in the history of shadowrun".
ANd you missed the Biggest one of them all.
The release of Shadowrun 1st Edition, for without it, we wouldn't be here
now.
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Message no. 6
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Playtesting
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:50:09 -0700
>Just to finish up the playtest list, Myself, Loki, Caric, and Dvixen (Along
>with Randall Bills from FASA) were all asked at GC97 to work on ideas for
>various new initiative systems...
>

Ah, well, kudo's. I sent my own system to Mike, but parts of it were
(are) convoluted. One idea that was in playtest (reducing intitative between
action by 10+injuries) was all that made it to playtest, and that got dropped
for SR3.

Mongoose
Message no. 7
From: Mongoose <evamarie@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Playtesting
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:59:37 -0700
>Hmm. Much as I have a distressing tendency to be a complete fangirl when
>it comes to FASA, I think this is a mistake. The SR3 launch is one of
>the two biggest events in the history of Shadowrun (the SR2 launch being
>the other ;) and I think rushing it just to release it in time for a con
>is a mistake.


Given circumstances, I doubt a longer development would have been fiscally
sound. As it is, the release of several products was pushed back in order to
focus on SR3.

Mongoose
Message no. 8
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Playtesting
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:13:58 -0400
Once upon a time, Mongoose wrote;

> Ah, well, kudo's. I sent my own system to Mike, but parts of it were
>(are) convoluted. One idea that was in playtest (reducing intitative between
>action by 10+injuries) was all that made it to playtest, and that got dropped
>for SR3.

Damn, I still haven't finished my Speed vs. Skill thread to continue
reading. I hate that is was dropped. I'm keeping it. B>P#
It's just such a negligible penalty otherwise.

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Message no. 9
From: Tim Kerby <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: [SR3] Playtesting
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:06:27 -0400
On 11 Aug 98, at 15:52, Lady Jestyr wrote:

> Hmm. Much as I have a distressing tendency to be a complete fangirl when
> it comes to FASA, I think this is a mistake. The SR3 launch is one of the
> two biggest events in the history of Shadowrun (the SR2 launch being the
> other ;) and I think rushing it just to release it in time for a con is a
> mistake.

It may have been rushed, but you sure couldn't tell it. It looks
great, and is much improved. I haven't read it all yet, but so far I
am very impressed.

Keep the faith, LadyJ. When you see it, you'll understand. :)

More on SR3 and FASA later.

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