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Message no. 1
From: danturek@*******.com (D. T)
Subject: SR4 and Beyond
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:52:27 -0500
Gurth once said:

>Huh? IMHO core mechanics of 2nd edition AD&D are rolling 1D20 over your
>THAC0 to attack, rolling 1D20 below your (characteristic + proficiency
>ratings) to do skill checks, and rolling saving throws vs. a
>class-and-level-derived number on 1D20.

>Whereas core mechanics of 3rd edition D&D are to derive modifiers from your
>class, level, characteristics, skills, and other sources, and add them to
>your 1D20 roll vs. a target number.

>I don't see how the core mechanics have been kept. Problems fixed,
>certainly, but about the only core mechanics that WotC kept, were levels
>and hit points :)

Way back when, Len Lekofka (or whatever his name was) in Leomund's Tiny Hut
showed how all the chart progressions could be made more linear - Fighters
effectively get a +1 to hit per level, Mages every other level, etc. and
this was back in 1st Ed. I really liked 3rd Edition because most of the
house rules were now official rules, multi-classing became balanced, and
nearly everything has been streamlined to a d20 + junk roll. All fluffy
stuff got to remain the same, and for my group converting from 2nd to 3rd
was a breeze - they all got Feats and more skills than they had had under
NWP.

I won't see SR4 until Xmas most likely. I'm sure Kori will switch to SR4 -
maybe when SR5 comes out, maybe not until SR7. Since I prefer SR1 and SR2
over SR3 just lurking I've heard SR4 sound pretty good. Rolls are
streamlined, attributes have changed, but not too massively, and for once SR
will be closer to the edge of the latest technology. The most annoying thing
with the old editions were how the latest tech of 2050 would sometimes lag
behind something made more than 40 years earlier. Cell phones? Who isn't
going to have a holo phone chip by 2050? Credstick PIN? Why can't a
credstick shoot out a beam to verify by retina scan at least? Yeah, a bunch
of stuff happens so tech didn't progress as much for a couple decades here
and there, but overall SR didn't think far ahead enough on the tech side.
While I don't want to change the old history (which is the only reason I
ever bought the game in the first place) many things happened where it might
make more sense - like the fall of the Soviet Union happening much earlier
than SR1 predicted.

While D&D needed an update to the system, SR needed an update to the world.
Steamlining the system is nice too, but while World of Greyhawk/Forgotten
Realms can still be used in 2050, SR1-3 feel out of touch already, and by
2020 more of it may be in place than we want. There should be more
advancements, and such things would necessarily change the way many
countries interact.

But I still don't know why California would fall into the ocean. Maybe
underwater houses become the rage and set the new trend towards aquaculture
gardens? I can see buying bottled air if people are so willing to buy
bottled water.
Message no. 2
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: SR4 and Beyond
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:04:16 -0700
On 10/31/05, D. T <danturek@*******.com> wrote:
>
> But I still don't know why California would fall into the ocean. Maybe
> underwater houses become the rage and set the new trend towards aquaculture
> gardens? I can see buying bottled air if people are so willing to buy
> bottled water.

You mean like PerriAir?

;)

--
-Graht
Message no. 3
From: grimjack@******.com (Martin Little)
Subject: SR4 and Beyond
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:00:25 -0500 (EST)
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, Graht wrote:

> On 10/31/05, D. T <danturek@*******.com> wrote:
> >
> > But I still don't know why California would fall into the ocean. Maybe
> > underwater houses become the rage and set the new trend towards aquaculture
> > gardens? I can see buying bottled air if people are so willing to buy
> > bottled water.
>
> You mean like PerriAir?
>
> ;)
>
> --
> -Graht
>

Funny, you didn't look Druish...
Message no. 4
From: marc.renouf@******.com (Renouf, Marc A.)
Subject: SR4 and Beyond
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:13:44 -0500
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com
> [mailto:shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com] On Behalf Of Graht
>
> On 10/31/05, D. T <danturek@*******.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can see buying bottled air if people are so
> > willing to buy bottled water.
>
> You mean like PerriAir?

Because you *richly* deserve it...



TTTTTTTTT HHH HHH WWW WWW AAA PPPPPP !!!
TTTTTTTTT HHH HHH WWW W WWW AAAAA PPPPPPP !!!
TTT HHH HHH WWW WWW WWW AAAAAAA PPP PPP !!!
TTT HHHHHHHHH WWWWWWWWWWWWW AAA AAA PPP PPP !!!
TTT HHHHHHHHH WWWWWWWWWWW AAAAAAAAA PPPPPPP !!!
TTT HHH HHH WWWW WWWW AAAAAAAAA PPPPPP !!!
TTT HHH HHH WW WW AAA AAA PPP
TTT HHH HHH W W AAA AAA PPP !!!


Marc
Message no. 5
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: SR4 and Beyond
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:15:48 -0700
On 10/31/05, Renouf, Marc A. <marc.renouf@******.com> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com
> > [mailto:shadowrn-bounces@*****.dumpshock.com] On Behalf Of Graht
> >
> > On 10/31/05, D. T <danturek@*******.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can see buying bottled air if people are so
> > > willing to buy bottled water.
> >
> > You mean like PerriAir?
>
> Because you *richly* deserve it...
>
>
>
> TTTTTTTTT HHH HHH WWW WWW AAA PPPPPP !!!
> TTTTTTTTT HHH HHH WWW W WWW AAAAA PPPPPPP !!!
> TTT HHH HHH WWW WWW WWW AAAAAAA PPP PPP !!!
> TTT HHHHHHHHH WWWWWWWWWWWWW AAA AAA PPP PPP !!!
> TTT HHHHHHHHH WWWWWWWWWWW AAAAAAAAA PPPPPPP !!!
> TTT HHH HHH WWWW WWWW AAAAAAAAA PPPPPP !!!
> TTT HHH HHH WW WW AAA AAA PPP
> TTT HHH HHH W W AAA AAA PPP !!!

Boo ya!

I'm... I'm so touched that you cared :')

--
-Graht
Message no. 6
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: SR4 and Beyond
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:26:34 -0700
On 10/31/05, Martin Little <grimjack@******.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005, Graht wrote:
>
> > On 10/31/05, D. T <danturek@*******.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > But I still don't know why California would fall into the ocean. Maybe
> > > underwater houses become the rage and set the new trend towards aquaculture
> > > gardens? I can see buying bottled air if people are so willing to buy
> > > bottled water.
> >
> > You mean like PerriAir?
> >
> > ;)
>
> Funny, you didn't look Druish...

That's because "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate."

--
-Graht
Message no. 7
From: KiltedJamesman@***.com (KiltedJamesman@***.com)
Subject: SR4 and Beyond
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:57:09 EST

In a message dated 10/31/2005 12:53:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
danturek@*******.com writes:

I can see buying bottled air if people are so willing to buy
bottled water.



That actually already exists. It's usually sold to mountain climbers.

Just my .02¥
The Mad Kilted Cyberzombie GM
Message no. 8
From: weberm@*******.net (Ubiquitous)
Subject: SR4 and Beyond
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 20:58:14 -0500
At 11:57 AM 11/1/2005 EST, you wrote:

>I can see buying bottled air if people are so willing to buy
>bottled water.
>
>That actually already exists. It's usually sold to mountain climbers.

Or in "Oxygen Bars".
--
"Ted, sweetheart...somebody's left a wicker basket with a little baby in it
on our front doorstep."
"Just leave it out there on the stoop, honey. The cats'll get it."
- Red Meat http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/
Message no. 9
From: sfeley@*****.com (Stephen Eley)
Subject: SR4 and Beyond
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:01:30 -0500
On 11/1/05, Ubiquitous <weberm@*******.net> wrote:
> At 11:57 AM 11/1/2005 EST, you wrote:
>
> >I can see buying bottled air if people are so willing to buy
> >bottled water.
> >
> >That actually already exists. It's usually sold to mountain climbers.
>
> Or in "Oxygen Bars".

When I go scuba diving, I pay good money for air pumped into bottles.
It always seems like a rational investment. >8->


--
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Steve Eley (sfeley@*****.com)
ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
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