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Message no. 1
From: lists@*******.com (Wordman)
Subject: SR4 character sheets
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 19:12:30 -0400
On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Matthäus Cebulla wrote:

> So... Is anyone here already toying around with a new character sheet
> for SR4?

> Are there any chance for Wordman going at it again, for the new
> edition?

I hadn't planned on it. I didn't actually even use the SR3 versions.
These days, I've grown addicted to doing XSLT transformations into PDFs.

> (I would pay you, actually.)

Hmm. Tempting.

Tell you what. If someone can organize a US$2,000 donation to a
worthy charity (say, the Red Cross, for flood victims) by the end of
October, I'll update the sheets by the end of the year. That's 100
people donating $20 each (or some variation of that). That's a lot,
but I was always told to aim high.

Any takers?

Wordman
Message no. 2
From: zebulingod@*******.net (Zebulin)
Subject: SR4 character sheets
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:50:17 -0700
Wordman wrote:
#
#Tell you what. If someone can organize a US$2,000 donation to
#a worthy charity (say, the Red Cross, for flood victims) by
#the end of October, I'll update the sheets by the end of the
#year. That's 100 people donating $20 each (or some variation
#of that). That's a lot, but I was always told to aim high.
#
#Any takers?
#

I'll go one better! I convinced our marketing guy to donate 5% of all our
sales for this month to Red Cross. (In theory, that should be about $1200.)
Does that count?

Zebulin

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Message no. 3
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 character sheets
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:49:51 -0700
On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 19:12:30 -0400
Wordman <lists@*******.com> wrote:
>
>> Tell you what. If someone can organize a US$2,000 donation to a worthy
> charity (say, the Red Cross, for flood victims) by the end of October,
> I'll update the sheets by the end of the year. That's 100 people donating
> $20 each (or some variation of that). That's a lot, but I was always told
> to aim high.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Wordman

Some genius organize it, I'll donate, even though I usually make my own
sheets!
--Anders
Message no. 4
From: jon.gilmour@*****.com (Jon Gilmour)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:43:38 -0400
What are some of the best char sheets you have found so far for SR4?
What are some other good resources you have found so far for 4th edition?
Have any of you that hated it, played it and started coming around to it?
Message no. 5
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:48:36 -0700
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:43:38 -0400
"Jon Gilmour" <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
> What are some of the best char sheets you have found so far for SR4?
> What are some other good resources you have found so far for 4th edition?
> Have any of you that hated it, played it and started coming around to it?

I'm afraid I use homebrew Word sheets. I calculate the character using a free
form Excel sheet, then transfer the values to the word document. Then I print
out the revised sheet for each game and feel free to write all over it.
--Anders
Message no. 6
From: grant.woodward@*****.com (Grant Woodward)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:57:11 -0400
I've been meaning to create a SR4 sheet but frankly haven't had the time.
I'm GMing a game that starts up next week, however, and will almost
certainly be forced to create my own sheets for each player. Once those are
made, I'll happily share them.

(Incidentally, if you want to make your own, a great way to do it is to take
a spreadsheet and reduce its cells to 10pt x 10pt squares. That way you have
a grid of cells you can draw borders around, space evenly and consistently,
merge together, and the like without resorting to document-creation software
that's less universally accepted. I use Open Office, which provides the
extra benefit of being able to save the document as a PDF.)

Grant Woodward


On 7/11/06, Anders Swenson <anders@**********.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:43:38 -0400
> "Jon Gilmour" <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
> > What are some of the best char sheets you have found so far for SR4?
> > What are some other good resources you have found so far for 4th
> edition?
> > Have any of you that hated it, played it and started coming around to
> it?
>
> I'm afraid I use homebrew Word sheets. I calculate the character using a
> free
> form Excel sheet, then transfer the values to the word document. Then I
> print
> out the revised sheet for each game and feel free to write all over it.
> --Anders
>
>
Message no. 7
From: jon.gilmour@*****.com (Jon Gilmour)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:09:48 -0400
I'm looking more for nice looking printable char sheets. Not so much
Character generators.



On 7/11/06, Anders Swenson <anders@**********.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:43:38 -0400
> "Jon Gilmour" <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
> > What are some of the best char sheets you have found so far for SR4?
> > What are some other good resources you have found so far for 4th
> edition?
> > Have any of you that hated it, played it and started coming around to
> it?
>
> I'm afraid I use homebrew Word sheets. I calculate the character using a
> free
> form Excel sheet, then transfer the values to the word document. Then I
> print
> out the revised sheet for each game and feel free to write all over it.
> --Anders
>
>
Message no. 8
From: jon.gilmour@*****.com (Jon Gilmour)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:12:44 -0400
Grant. I like that process. I was thinking of brewing one up in excel
myself.
I just figured if someone had one allready done that was totally kick ass I
would spare myself the effort and put the energy into my campaign.

Offtopic : OOo be the bomb yo!
Message no. 9
From: davek@***.lonestar.org (David Kettler)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:37:35 +0000
I always make my with LaTex, but I'm psychotic ;)

--
Dave Kettler
davek@***.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Message no. 10
From: ajainshadow@*****.com (Aja In Shadow)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:16:10 -0500
There's a decent Excel sheet out there but I suppose it depends on what your
definition of "totally kick ass" really is :)
It's still a little buggy in places, I'm not a wiz when it comes to working
with Excel files, but I can get it to those that are interested.

On 7/11/06, Jon Gilmour <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:

> I just figured if someone had one allready done that was totally kick ass
> I
> would spare myself the effort and put the energy into my campaign.
>

--
Welcome, enter nightmare center. Darkness falls, now I surrender.
Hateful dreaming, self-demeaning. Running from faith where void has meaning.
Search for light in the endless night. Make the choice, it's black or
white...
---A'ja Rose - http://www.shadowland.org
Message no. 11
From: jon.gilmour@*****.com (Jon Gilmour)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:28:24 -0400
I would be interested in it, but what I am truely looking for is Nice
looking sheets to print out for my players. Lots of usefuly bits to fill out
and stuff. Something like the multi page SR3 sheets that are out there.
Maybe something like wordmans
http://rpg.divnull.com/srun/srunsheets.html Sheets,
but updated for SR4.




On 7/11/06, Aja In Shadow <ajainshadow@*****.com> wrote:
>
> There's a decent Excel sheet out there but I suppose it depends on what
> your
> definition of "totally kick ass" really is :)
> It's still a little buggy in places, I'm not a wiz when it comes to
> working
> with Excel files, but I can get it to those that are interested.
>
> On 7/11/06, Jon Gilmour <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
>
> > I just figured if someone had one allready done that was totally kick
> ass
> > I
> > would spare myself the effort and put the energy into my campaign.
> >
>
> --
> Welcome, enter nightmare center. Darkness falls, now I surrender.
> Hateful dreaming, self-demeaning. Running from faith where void has
> meaning.
> Search for light in the endless night. Make the choice, it's black or
> white...
> ---A'ja Rose - http://www.shadowland.org
>
Message no. 12
From: navahl@*****.com (Mark)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:04:02 -0700
I would like to see a editable pdf of a character sheets so you can fill in
the blanks on your computer and save and print.

mark

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Subject: Re: SR4 Character sheets

I would be interested in it, but what I am truely looking for is Nice
looking sheets to print out for my players. Lots of usefuly bits to fill out
and stuff. Something like the multi page SR3 sheets that are out there.
Maybe something like wordmans
http://rpg.divnull.com/srun/srunsheets.html Sheets,
but updated for SR4.




On 7/11/06, Aja In Shadow <ajainshadow@*****.com> wrote:
>
> There's a decent Excel sheet out there but I suppose it depends on what
> your
> definition of "totally kick ass" really is :)
> It's still a little buggy in places, I'm not a wiz when it comes to
> working
> with Excel files, but I can get it to those that are interested.
>
> On 7/11/06, Jon Gilmour <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
>
> > I just figured if someone had one allready done that was totally kick
> ass
> > I
> > would spare myself the effort and put the energy into my campaign.
> >
>
> --
> Welcome, enter nightmare center. Darkness falls, now I surrender.
> Hateful dreaming, self-demeaning. Running from faith where void has
> meaning.
> Search for light in the endless night. Make the choice, it's black or
> white...
> ---A'ja Rose - http://www.shadowland.org
>

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Message no. 13
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:15:10 -0600
On 7/11/06, Mark <navahl@*****.com> wrote:
> I would like to see a editable pdf of a character sheets so you can fill in
> the blanks on your computer and save and print.

The problem with that is that very few gamers own the full version of
Adobe Acrobat (required to make PDF forms), and of those that do not
many are inclined to make character sheets :/

<quick general Admin message for all>

Please place replies below/after quoted posts. Thank you :)

</quick general Admin message for all>

--
-Graht
Message no. 14
From: ajainshadow@*****.com (Aja In Shadow)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:14:13 -0500
This does actually have a tab that ports all the data into an actual printed
sheet that doesn't look too shabby.
The only downsides are there aren't huge amounts of space for stuff,
especially in the gear section and it's easy to overrun the formatting on
the printable sheet but usually if you change the font size on it you can
cram it all in there :)

I'll try to shoot it your way later this afternoon as I'm running out the
door right now.

On 7/11/06, Jon Gilmour <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
>
> I would be interested in it, but what I am truely looking for is Nice
> looking sheets to print out for my players. Lots of usefuly bits to fill
> out
> and stuff.


--
Welcome, enter nightmare center. Darkness falls, now I surrender.
Hateful dreaming, self-demeaning. Running from faith where void has meaning.
Search for light in the endless night. Make the choice, it's black or
white...
---A'ja Rose - http://www.shadowland.org
Message no. 15
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:04:38 -0700
What happened to replying below the post?
--Anders
Message no. 16
From: jon.gilmour@*****.com (Jon Gilmour)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:10:43 -0400
On 7/11/06, Anders Swenson <anders@**********.com> wrote:
>
>
> What happened to replying below the post?
> --Anders
>

I wish I could force Gmail to do that.
Message no. 17
From: swiftone@********.org (Brett Sanger)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 16:40:50 -0400
On 7/11/06, Jon Gilmour <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
> I wish I could force Gmail to do that.

Gmail does it correctly -- Your sig is below, and the cursor starts at
the top so you can trim the quote on your way down. (in other words,
Gmail is NOT trying to top post)

Compare to Outlook, which places the cursor AND the sig above the quote.

(IMNSHO)
--
Brett Sanger / SwiftOne
swiftone@********.org
Message no. 18
From: n.kobschaetzki@**********.com (Niels Kobschaetzki)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:48:42 +0200
On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:40 PM, Brett Sanger wrote:

> On 7/11/06, Jon Gilmour <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
>> I wish I could force Gmail to do that.
>
> Gmail does it correctly -- Your sig is below, and the cursor starts at
> the top so you can trim the quote on your way down. (in other words,
> Gmail is NOT trying to top post)
>
> Compare to Outlook, which places the cursor AND the sig above the
> quote.

Apple Mail places the cursor on top as well. Anyway, it isn't that
hard to move the cursor down - either by mouse or by the cursor-key.
If someone starts with TOFU-posts than there should be electrical
shocks from the keyboard (same with reply on a mail, change a subject
and the body and kill this way any threading based on message-ids)

Niels
Message no. 19
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 14:23:07 -0700
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:04:38 -0700
"Anders Swenson" <anders@**********.com> wrote:
>
> What happened to replying below the post?


> --Anders

I don't use google, I just make sure my cursor is at the end of the post
before I start typing. Does your mail editor make this hard? I don't do it in
Outlook because I only use it for company email, and the stardard here is top
reply; I'll play around with it. I don't see that OL makes it impossible to
bottom reply, it just makes you conciously do it, which I see as no problem.
--Anders
Message no. 20
From: jgilmour@*****.com (Jonathan and Jamie Gilmour)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:36:01 -0400
> I don't use google, I just make sure my cursor is at the end of the post
> before I start typing. Does your mail editor make this hard? I don't do it in
> Outlook because I only use it for company email, and the stardard here is top
> reply; I'll play around with it. I don't see that OL makes it impossible to
> bottom reply, it just makes you conciously do it, which I see as no problem.
> --Anders
>
>
No, its not hard.
But to me its not standard.
In my business emails I reply on top of the replied to email.
Its just the way I roll I guess. This is the only place I have to try
to remember to post on bottom, and my memory is crap.
I just wish it had the option to start my cursor below the quoted
text, as this is one of the few things I use this email address for.
Message no. 21
From: cmdjackryan@**********.com (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:56:58 +0200
On 7/11/06, Jonathan and Jamie Gilmour <jgilmour@*****.com> wrote:

> No, its not hard.
> But to me its not standard.
> In my business emails I reply on top of the replied to email.
> Its just the way I roll I guess. This is the only place I have to try
> to remember to post on bottom, and my memory is crap.
> I just wish it had the option to start my cursor below the quoted
> text, as this is one of the few things I use this email address for.

A help for the memoy of yours: Create a filter + lable, telling you to
scroll to the end of the post.

Just my 0.02 Nuyen.

--
Phillip "Setso" Gawlowski
Message no. 22
From: n.kobschaetzki@**********.com (Niels Kobschaetzki)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:41:22 +0200
On Jul 11, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Jonathan and Jamie Gilmour wrote:

>> I don't use google, I just make sure my cursor is at the end of
>> the post
>> before I start typing. Does your mail editor make this hard? I
>> don't do it in
>> Outlook because I only use it for company email, and the stardard
>> here is top
>> reply; I'll play around with it. I don't see that OL makes it
>> impossible to
>> bottom reply, it just makes you conciously do it, which I see as
>> no problem.
>> --Anders
>>
>>
> No, its not hard.
> But to me its not standard.
> In my business emails I reply on top of the replied to email.
> Its just the way I roll I guess. This is the only place I have to try
> to remember to post on bottom, and my memory is crap.
> I just wish it had the option to start my cursor below the quoted
> text, as this is one of the few things I use this email address for.

In my business it's standard, too.
Although in the internet I know that it's bad style as long as I am
online (and that's since 1995 or 1996)

Niels
Message no. 23
From: pb3209@****.utah.edu (Jamison Cooper-Leavitt)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:01:41 -0600
I am a psycho too when it comes to LaTex. ;) What packages do you use
when you make your sheets? I made up some L5R 3ed sheets with LaTex but
I just used the native picture environment for mine. I am thinking of
using pict2e or pstricks to do some a little more fancier next time.

David Kettler wrote:
> I always make my with LaTex, but I'm psychotic ;)
>
>
Message no. 24
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:22:04 -0700
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 17:01:41 -0600
Jamison Cooper-Leavitt <pb3209@****.utah.edu> wrote:
> I am a psycho too when it comes to LaTex. ;) What packages do you use when
> you make your sheets? I made up some L5R 3ed sheets with LaTex but I just
> used the native picture environment for mine. I am thinking of using
> pict2e or pstricks to do some a little more fancier next time.
>
> David Kettler wrote:
> > I always make my with LaTex, but I'm psychotic ;)
> >
> >
I suppose Latex files are not particularaly sharable, the original intent of
this thread. Can you import a .pdf into open office, mess with it, and then
save it?

Once again, please reply below.
--Anders
Message no. 25
From: jeremie.bouillon@****.fr (Jérémie_Bouillon)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:35:33 +0200
Anders Swenson wrote:
> I suppose Latex files are not particularaly sharable, the original intent of
> this thread. Can you import a .pdf into open office, mess with it, and then
> save it?

Nope, you need the full paid Acrobat to do this.

What I did with SR3 was creating a text sheet (using MS Word, and later
Open Office) that can be both filled electronically or by pen.

The purpose was to save in it the major things (atts, skills, powers,
etc.), save it so you won't lose it or you could email it to your GM,
and update the session details on the sheet with a pen. And anyone can
edit it, tweak it to fit his needs, especially since I'm using oOo.

If I'm not satisfied with Adam version of the SR4 "Character Dossier"
and I can't publish a more personal (better in my point of view) version
of it, I may do the same for SR4. But it will be in French, sorry mate :)
Message no. 26
From: rob@*********************.com (Robert Edgar)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:43:51 -0400
On 7/11/06, Jon Gilmour <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
> What are some of the best char sheets you have found so far for SR4?

Here are some that look pretty nice.
http://sr.superspystudios.com/files/sr4cs03.pdf

There are others that can be found if you search around the Dumpshock forums.
--
Message no. 27
From: jgilmour@*****.com (Jonathan and Jamie Gilmour)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:31:18 -0400
On 7/11/06, Robert Edgar <rob@*********************.com> wrote:
> On 7/11/06, Jon Gilmour <jon.gilmour@*****.com> wrote:
> > What are some of the best char sheets you have found so far for SR4?
>
> Here are some that look pretty nice.
> http://sr.superspystudios.com/files/sr4cs03.pdf
>
> There are others that can be found if you search around the Dumpshock forums.
> --
>
I like that one. I will post any other nice looking ones I find.
Thats the kind of stuff I am looking for though! thanks!
Message no. 28
From: navahl@*****.com (Mark)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 23:27:28 -0700
Hey Aja I would like to get that sheet too if you can send it my way.
Thanks.

mark

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Message no. 29
From: davek@***.lonestar.org (David Kettler)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:14:51 +0000
On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 05:22:04PM -0700, Anders Swenson wrote:
> I suppose Latex files are not particularaly sharable, the original intent of
> this thread. Can you import a .pdf into open office, mess with it, and then
> save it?
>
> Once again, please reply below.
> --Anders
>

Not sharable?! What kind of twisted world do we live in where a format that requires a
completely proprietary, $300 program that changes the file format every version and
doesn't even run on any of the platforms I use is considered 'sharable' while a totally
free, totally multi-platform, human readable format that hasn't changed significantly in
20 years is 'not sharable'?! It's that kind of thinking that leads to top posting!

--
Dave Kettler
davek@***.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Message no. 30
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:19:54 -0600
On 7/12/06, David Kettler <davek@***.lonestar.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 05:22:04PM -0700, Anders Swenson wrote:
> > I suppose Latex files are not particularaly sharable, the original intent of
> > this thread. Can you import a .pdf into open office, mess with it, and then
> > save it?
>
> Not sharable?! What kind of twisted world do we live in where a format that requires
a completely proprietary, $300 program that changes the file format every version and
doesn't even run on any of the platforms I use is considered 'sharable' while a totally
free, totally multi-platform, human readable format that hasn't changed significantly in
20 years is 'not sharable'?! It's that kind of thinking that leads to top posting!

Heh. True.

There's always HTML, CSS, and Javascript. As far as I know those are
sharable (as long as the creator doesn't use something like IE
specific code ;).

I ran across TiddlyWiki (http://www.tiddlywiki.com/) about half a year
ago but haven't gotten around to experimenting with it. One should be
able to use it to make a character sheet on their own machine, and
then share it as a TiddlyWiki pluggin.

--
-Graht
Message no. 31
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 08:27:40 -0700
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:14:51 +0000
David Kettler <davek@***.lonestar.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 05:22:04PM -0700, Anders Swenson wrote:
> > I suppose Latex files are not particularaly sharable, the original intent
> of
> > this thread. Can you import a .pdf into open office, mess with it, and
> then
> > save it?
> >
> > Once again, please reply below.
> > --Anders
> >
>
> Not sharable?! What kind of twisted world do we live in where a format
> that requires a completely proprietary, $300 program that changes the file
> format every version and doesn't even run on any of the platforms I use is
> considered 'sharable' while a totally free, totally multi-platform, human
> readable format that hasn't changed significantly in 20 years is 'not
> sharable'?! It's that kind of thinking that leads to top posting!
>
> --
Well, I never heard of Latex, and when I looked at the site it appeared to be
a high end professional application that looked expensive, and no one has
told me how to use the files, and particularly no one has offered to share
something in Latex. And I bottom post most when I'm really fragged, which,
happily, I'm not at the moment!

So what's the word on Latex? And are there any good SR apps in it?

--Anders
Message no. 32
From: swiftone@********.org (Brett Sanger)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 13:50:59 -0400
On 7/12/06, Anders Swenson <anders@**********.com> wrote:
> Well, I never heard of Latex, and when I looked at the site it appeared to be
> a high end professional application that looked expensive, and no one has

It's a document formatting language. It's been around for a good long
while, and it's free. (though programs to write it might cost more,
you can pound it out with any text editor).

The results can be exported into postscript or pdf without trouble,
but that's for printing purposes, not the "fill-in" variety.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX

> So what's the word on Latex? And are there any good SR apps in it?

Since it's not supposed to be a general purpose language, no. (There
are tales of Tetris in postscript and other abuses, but really...no)

--
Brett Sanger / SwiftOne
swiftone@********.org
Message no. 33
From: n.kobschaetzki@**********.com (Niels Kobschaetzki)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:19:53 +0200
On Jul 12, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Anders Swenson wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 09:14:51 +0000
> David Kettler <davek@***.lonestar.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2006 at 05:22:04PM -0700, Anders Swenson wrote:
>>> I suppose Latex files are not particularaly sharable, the
>>> original intent
>> of
>>> this thread. Can you import a .pdf into open office, mess with
>>> it, and
>> then
>>> save it?
>>>
>>> Once again, please reply below.
>>> --Anders
>>>
>>
>> Not sharable?! What kind of twisted world do we live in where a
>> format
>> that requires a completely proprietary, $300 program that changes
>> the file
>> format every version and doesn't even run on any of the platforms
>> I use is
>> considered 'sharable' while a totally free, totally multi-
>> platform, human
>> readable format that hasn't changed significantly in 20 years is 'not
>> sharable'?! It's that kind of thinking that leads to top posting!
>>
>> --
> Well, I never heard of Latex, and when I looked at the site it
> appeared to be
> a high end professional application that looked expensive, and no
> one has
> told me how to use the files, and particularly no one has offered
> to share
> something in Latex. And I bottom post most when I'm really fragged,
> which,
> happily, I'm not at the moment!
>
> So what's the word on Latex? And are there any good SR apps in it?

It's freeware and no apps for it. It's just a document preparation
system - like HTML but for documents which shall be printed.
have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX
Documents written in LaTeX have often a superior look and you don't
have the problems you have with word when you are writing a
scientific paper...

Niels
Message no. 34
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 11:25:00 -0700
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:19:53 +0200
Niels Kobschaetzki <n.kobschaetzki@**********.com> wrote:

>[snip]
> >
> > So what's the word on Latex? And are there any good SR apps in it?
>
> It's freeware and no apps for it. It's just a document preparation system
> - like HTML but for documents which shall be printed.
> have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX
> Documents written in LaTeX have often a superior look and you don't have
> the problems you have with word when you are writing a scientific paper...
>
> Niels

KK I sit corrected, have to check it out sometime, after I get my website up
and running!

So has anyone made the killer printable self caclulating Excel sheet?

--Anders
Message no. 35
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:11:44 -0600
On 7/12/06, Anders Swenson <anders@**********.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:19:53 +0200
> Niels Kobschaetzki <n.kobschaetzki@**********.com> wrote:
>
> >[snip]
> > >
> > > So what's the word on Latex? And are there any good SR apps in it?
> >
> > It's freeware and no apps for it. It's just a document preparation system
> > - like HTML but for documents which shall be printed.
> > have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX
> > Documents written in LaTeX have often a superior look and you don't have
> > the problems you have with word when you are writing a scientific paper...
> >
> > Niels
>
> KK I sit corrected, have to check it out sometime, after I get my website up
> and running!
>
> So has anyone made the killer printable self caclulating Excel sheet?
>
> --Anders

Not for SR4 :/ Want one for Vampire the Masquerade?

--
-Graht
Message no. 36
From: jon.gilmour@*****.com (Jon Gilmour)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:44:03 -0400
Ok, heres a quick sheet I whipped up on my lunch break today.
Its not a full Char sheet, just a Gear sheet, and a GM Gear sheet to track
your players stuff on the second page.
Its not terribly spiffy, but its got "gear location" on it which is
something I find most lacking.
http://jonsnews.vectorstar.net/SR4GearSheet.xls

I may import it into OOo and export it as a pdf later if anyone wants me to.
Message no. 37
From: pb3209@****.utah.edu (Jamison Cooper-Leavitt)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 15:57:50 -0600
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Message no. 38
From: pb3209@****.utah.edu (Jamison Cooper-Leavitt)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 16:51:30 -0600
>> Not sharable?! What kind of twisted world do we live in where a format
>> that requires a completely proprietary, $300 program that changes the file
>> format every version and doesn't even run on any of the platforms I use is
>> considered 'sharable' while a totally free, totally multi-platform, human
>> readable format that hasn't changed significantly in 20 years is 'not
>> sharable'?! It's that kind of thinking that leads to top posting!
>>
>> --
>>
> Well, I never heard of Latex, and when I looked at the site it appeared to be
> a high end professional application that looked expensive, and no one has
> told me how to use the files, and particularly no one has offered to share
> something in Latex. And I bottom post most when I'm really fragged, which,
> happily, I'm not at the moment!
>
> So what's the word on Latex? And are there any good SR apps in it?
>
> --Anders
>
>
Well LaTeX can be used to make almost anything. LaTeX is just a version
of TeX, which is a formating language used to make aesthetically
pleasing documents, not the type of documents that you get through using
Word or some other type of wordprocessor. There are other versions of
LaTeX, such as pdfTeX that can do all the things requested, such as
fill-in-able forms, etc and make them into a pretty documents. Yes,
LaTeX is mainly used for typesetting papers and articles, generally with
a lot of mathematic equations, charts and tables, syntax trees for
linguistics, etc.

Here are some gaming related pdfs that I have created for other games.
I have not done any for Shadowrun yet.

<http://linguistics.byu.edu/LINGSITE/jamisoncl/stuff/l5rcharsheet.pdf>http://linguistics.byu.edu/LINGSITE/jamisoncl/stuff/l5rcharsheet.pdf


http://linguistics.byu.edu/LINGSITE/jamisoncl/stuff/Exalted_2E_Tic_Circle.pdf
<http://linguistics.byu.edu/LINGSITE/jamisoncl/stuff/Exalted_2E_Tic_Circle.pdf.pdf>;

Be aware that I don't make my character sheets all that fancy. I
believe in utility over fancy. However, LaTeX can also make fancy if
that's what you want. It does however have a slight learning curve at
first, but in a good weekend you could easily learn the basics. Plus
the software is free and you can pretty much do anything you want with it.

If you are interested in some of the more fancier things that can be
done with LaTeX check out this website, and these still are only basic
applications of it:

http://tug.org/PSTricks/main.cgi?file=examples
Message no. 39
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:00:59 +0200
According to Jon Gilmour, on 11-7-06 22:10 the word on the street was...

> I wish I could force Gmail to do that.

Maybe I'm getting this wrong, never having used Gmail, but you could try
pressing the down-arrow a few times until you're below the quoted
material ... ?

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Message no. 40
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 11:04:04 +0200
According to Anders Swenson, on 12-7-06 02:22 the word on the street was...

> I suppose Latex files are not particularaly sharable

LaTeX is easy to share, as long as the person on the other end also has
the necessary (free) software installed. Or it could be saved to a PDF,
which IIRC is not a problem.

> Can you import a .pdf into open office, mess with it, and then
> save it?

PDFs aren't intended to be changed, that's the main snag with this idea.
If they were, they wouldn't need the whole form business ...

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Message no. 41
From: sfeley@*****.com (Stephen Eley)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:13:08 -0400
On 7/12/06, David Kettler <davek@***.lonestar.org> wrote:
>
> Not sharable?! What kind of twisted world do we live in where a format that requires
a completely proprietary, $300 program that changes the file format every version and
doesn't even run on any of the platforms I use is considered 'sharable' while a totally
free, totally multi-platform, human readable format that hasn't changed significantly in
20 years is 'not sharable'?! It's that kind of thinking that leads to top posting!

The reason why LaTeX is "not particularly shareable," David, is
because the installation chain required to get everything installed
and printable on a common Windows machine is a labyrinth that no
non-tech person is likely to find, undertand, and untangle. Sure,
it's a great document format, and supremely flexible if you grok the
strange nuances of TeX. But nobody ever bothered to make it easy to
install and use. And nobody ever bothered to popularize its virtues
to the public.

Adobe Acrobat? Download the reader's install file, double-click.
Poof. Want to make documents? Most apps out there now have PDF
creation built-in, all Macs support PDF on a fundamental level, and
there are free and easy apps now to create them in Windows. You won't
get all the high-end bells and whistles if you aren't buying and using
the full-blown Acrobat, but you'll get a nice-looking printable
document.

That's why Acrobat wins. Not because it's better. Because you don't
have to be a doctoral student in mathematics to know about it and make
it work.


--
Have Fun,
Steve Eley (sfeley@*****.com)
ESCAPE POD - The Science Fiction Podcast Magazine
http://www.escapepod.org
Message no. 42
From: davek@***.lonestar.org (David Kettler)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:07:13 +0000
On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 01:13:08PM -0400, Stephen Eley wrote:
> The reason why LaTeX is "not particularly shareable," David, is
> because the installation chain required to get everything installed
> and printable on a common Windows machine is a labyrinth that no
> non-tech person is likely to find, undertand, and untangle. Sure,
> it's a great document format, and supremely flexible if you grok the
> strange nuances of TeX. But nobody ever bothered to make it easy to
> install and use. And nobody ever bothered to popularize its virtues
> to the public.
>
> Adobe Acrobat? Download the reader's install file, double-click.
> Poof. Want to make documents? Most apps out there now have PDF
> creation built-in, all Macs support PDF on a fundamental level, and
> there are free and easy apps now to create them in Windows. You won't
> get all the high-end bells and whistles if you aren't buying and using
> the full-blown Acrobat, but you'll get a nice-looking printable
> document.
>
> That's why Acrobat wins. Not because it's better. Because you don't
> have to be a doctoral student in mathematics to know about it and make
> it work.
>
>

Jeez, I'm a doctoral student in physics, not mathematics ;)

Seriously, though, I've never found LaTeX particularly difficult to install on any unix
system and I don't see why it would suddenly be so hard on Windows. At the very least you
can always install cygwin, which is a breeze. (The first thing I do whenever somebody
puts me in front of a Windows computer is either install putty and ssh into a unix box or
install cygwin. I don't find Windows programs particularly easy to use or comprehensive,
so you can see where my biases are...)

--
Dave Kettler
davek@***.lonestar.org
SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org
Message no. 43
From: wilson.reis@*****.com (Wilson Reis)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:14:22 -0300
On 7/14/06, David Kettler <davek@***.lonestar.org> wrote:

> > That's why Acrobat wins. Not because it's better. Because you don't
> > have to be a doctoral student in mathematics to know about it and make
> > it work.
> >
> >
>
> Jeez, I'm a doctoral student in physics, not mathematics ;)

Well, I´m a master deg. student in mathematics, and i´m quite scared
of having to deal with TeX for my thesis. :-(
Message no. 44
From: pb3209@****.utah.edu (Jamison Cooper-Leavitt)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 11:27:41 -0600
Wilson Reis wrote:
> On 7/14/06, David Kettler <davek@***.lonestar.org> wrote:
>
>> > That's why Acrobat wins. Not because it's better. Because you don't
>> > have to be a doctoral student in mathematics to know about it and make
>> > it work.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Jeez, I'm a doctoral student in physics, not mathematics ;)
>
> Well, I´m a master deg. student in mathematics, and i´m quite scared
> of having to deal with TeX for my thesis. :-(
>
>
Yeah I was scared like that when I first started to write my masters
thesis for linguistics using Latex. After one weekend of learning how
to do things in LaTeX I wonder why I ever bothered using Word for
anything. Latex is such a breeze once you get the hang of it. I would
strongly encourage you to suck it up -- in a good way -- and learn it.
You will be happy you did.
Message no. 45
From: wilson.reis@*****.com (Wilson Reis)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:40:07 -0300
On 7/14/06, Jamison Cooper-Leavitt <pb3209@****.utah.edu> wrote:
> Wilson Reis wrote:

> > Well, I´m a master deg. student in mathematics, and i´m quite scared
> > of having to deal with TeX for my thesis. :-(
> >
> >
> Yeah I was scared like that when I first started to write my masters
> thesis for linguistics using Latex. After one weekend of learning how
> to do things in LaTeX I wonder why I ever bothered using Word for
> anything. Latex is such a breeze once you get the hang of it. I would
> strongly encourage you to suck it up -- in a good way -- and learn it.
> You will be happy you did.
>

I´ll just have to. TeX is a standard for the department, so ther´s no
hope i can submit my thesis without it being TeX.
Will
Message no. 46
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:03:26 -0700
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:40:07 -0300
[snip]

> I´ll just have to. TeX is a standard for the department, so ther´s no
> hope i can submit my thesis without it being TeX.
> Will

So we are still awaiting the killer SR4 chr sheet in LaTeX.
--Anders
Message no. 47
From: navahl@*****.com (Mark)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:17:42 -0700
Anders Swenson wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:40:07 -0300
> [snip]
>
> > I´ll just have to. TeX is a standard for the department, so ther´s no
>
>> hope i can submit my thesis without it being TeX.
>> Will
>>
>
> So we are still awaiting the killer SR4 chr sheet in LaTeX.
> --Anders
>
>
Can someone explain what is LaTex and Tex for us not familiar with the
programs (i am guessing the are programs).

thanks

Mark
Message no. 48
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 21:50:06 +0200
According to Mark, on 15-7-06 21:17 the word on the street was...

> Can someone explain what is LaTex and Tex for us not familiar with the
> programs (i am guessing the are programs).

TeX (pronounced "tech", as in "Bach", the composer) is a kind of
layout/typesetting language, intended to make it easy for people without
a publishing background to lay out (technical) documents to professional
standards. LaTeX is basically an add-on that makes TeX easier to use.
You can write TeX documents with any text editor, and turn them into the
proper typeset document using TeX itself. The usual output is as
Postscript files, or, nowadays, PDF (which is really just Postscript
with tweaks anyway, but that's getting us sidetracked :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX

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Message no. 49
From: cmdjackryan@**********.com (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:06:19 +0100
On 7/15/06, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
[snip]
> (which is really just Postscript
> with tweaks anyway, but that's getting us sidetracked :)

Yeah, I was kinda worried about this thread getting so off topic with
all that PDF talk, and no talk about (La)TeX.

Does anyone know what happened to the old SR mailing list I used to
subscribe to?

;)

--
Phillip "Setso" Gawlowski

"By Zarglewang's thuppy!"
- Illiad
Message no. 50
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 14:41:55 -0700
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:06:19 +0100
"Phillip Gawlowski" <cmdjackryan@**********.com> wrote:
> On 7/15/06, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> [snip]
> > (which is really just Postscript
> > with tweaks anyway, but that's getting us sidetracked :)
>
> Yeah, I was kinda worried about this thread getting so off topic with
> all that PDF talk, and no talk about (La)TeX.
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the old SR mailing list I used to
> subscribe to?

Yeah half the crumudgeons dropped out with 4th ed
--Anders
Message no. 51
From: raymacey@*****.com (Ray Macey)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 08:54:36 +1000
On 7/16/06, Anders Swenson <anders@**********.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah half the crumudgeons dropped out with 4th ed

And the other half came back :)
Message no. 52
From: cmdjackryan@**********.com (Phillip Gawlowski)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:02:41 +0100
On 7/15/06, Ray Macey <raymacey@*****.com> wrote:

> And the other half came back :)

Does the other half have nifty SR4 character sheets by now (I don't
care, wheter PDF or LaTeX or ASCII art...)?

;)

--
Phillip "Setso" Gawlowski

"By Zarglewang's thuppy!"
- Illiad
Message no. 53
From: korishinzo@*****.com (Ice Heart)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:55:12 -0700 (PDT)
> Yeah half the crumudgeons dropped out with 4th ed
> --Anders

It was bound to happen. Even I run out of things to say after a
while.

*smile*

======Korishinzo
--curmudgeon


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Message no. 54
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 19:18:47 -0700
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 16:55:12 -0700 (PDT)
Ice Heart <korishinzo@*****.com> wrote:
> > Yeah half the crumudgeons dropped out with 4th ed
> > --Anders
>
> It was bound to happen. Even I run out of things to say after a
> while.
>
> *smile*
>
> ======> Korishinzo
> --curmudgeon
>
now, was I thinking specifically about you? How could I have been!
--Anders
Message no. 55
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:12:48 +0200
According to Phillip Gawlowski, on 15-7-06 23:06 the word on the street
was...

> Does anyone know what happened to the old SR mailing list I used to
> subscribe to?

It started to die about six or seven years ago ...

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Message no. 56
From: graht1@*****.com (Graht)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 09:04:36 -0600
On 7/16/06, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> According to Phillip Gawlowski, on 15-7-06 23:06 the word on the street
> was...
>
> > Does anyone know what happened to the old SR mailing list I used to
> > subscribe to?
>
> It started to die about six or seven years ago ...

Curse those Dumpshock forums ;p

--
-Graht
Message no. 57
From: corsair0@***.com (Tevel Drinkwater)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 16:58:15 -0700
Hey great to see you Korishinzo! I suppose it's been awhile since I've
posted also (still been lurking, just waiting for the new
Grimoire/Street Sam's Catalogue/Rigger's BB equivalents before starting
a new SR campaign).

After all the talk about LaTeX I downloaded TeXnicCenter and MiKTeX and
gave it a shot over the weekend. I must admit I like it a lot, it's
very powerful, and once you get the hang of it, you can really make it
do what you want. Granted there is no way I could teach my parents to
use it, as it does have a steep learning curve.

So, to keep it on topic, does anyone have a TeX character sheet for
Shadowrun? I don't seem to recall the self-professed LaTeX "psychos"
having any, but maybe that's changed?

-Tev

P.S. I really like the sheets at http://sr.superspystudios.com/, thanks
to whoever posted the link. Very much in the tradition of Wordman's old
sheets.
Message no. 58
From: pb3209@****.utah.edu (Jamison Cooper-Leavitt)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:08:02 -0600
Tevel Drinkwater wrote:
> Hey great to see you Korishinzo! I suppose it's been awhile since I've
> posted also (still been lurking, just waiting for the new
> Grimoire/Street Sam's Catalogue/Rigger's BB equivalents before starting
> a new SR campaign).
>
> After all the talk about LaTeX I downloaded TeXnicCenter and MiKTeX and
> gave it a shot over the weekend. I must admit I like it a lot, it's
> very powerful, and once you get the hang of it, you can really make it
> do what you want. Granted there is no way I could teach my parents to
> use it, as it does have a steep learning curve.
>
> So, to keep it on topic, does anyone have a TeX character sheet for
> Shadowrun? I don't seem to recall the self-professed LaTeX "psychos"
> having any, but maybe that's changed?
>
> -Tev
>
> P.S. I really like the sheets at http://sr.superspystudios.com/, thanks
> to whoever posted the link. Very much in the tradition of Wordman's old
> sheets.
>
>
Well I am one of the self professed LaTeX 'psychos'. In fact I am
currently writing my thesis in Latex as we speak. I am glad that we
converted you. Once the world is converted to using Latex and not some
damned WYSIWYG word processor our mission will be complete. I don't
have the time to make up a sheet for SR4, since I am too involved with
my thesis, but I did do a character sheet for another game a while back
and I can send you the tex code for that. It would be easy to implement
the same thing or something similar for SR4. I used the native picture
environment in Latex if you are interested in taking a look at it here
is a URL to the final version pdf. (Warning my character sheets are
utilitarian and printer friendly not fancy.)

http://linguistics.byu.edu/LINGSITE/jamisoncl/stuff/l5rcharsheet.pdf

and here is the tex code.

http://linguistics.byu.edu/LINGSITE/jamisoncl/stuff/l5rcharsheet.tex

It's for L5R.
Message no. 59
From: bluedragon7@***.ch (Karsten Wiegers)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:34:19 +0200
> Does the other half have nifty SR4 character sheets by now (I don't
> care, wheter PDF or LaTeX or ASCII art...)?

at www.shadowrun.de/sr
under the "Dokumente"-link you can find a fillable 4-page .pdf
"ausfuellbarer Charakterbogen" i made for Fanpro (in german only, based on the
original 2-page one)

you can use a freewaretool to save those forms with acrobat reader, not needing a full
acrobat

http://www.fytek.com/products.php?pg=pdffilesave

cya bluedragon7


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Message no. 60
From: navahl@*****.com (Mark)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:38:27 -0700
Karsten Wiegers wrote:
>> Does the other half have nifty SR4 character sheets by now (I don't
>> care, wheter PDF or LaTeX or ASCII art...)?
>>
>
> at www.shadowrun.de/sr
> under the "Dokumente"-link you can find a fillable 4-page .pdf
> "ausfuellbarer Charakterbogen" i made for Fanpro (in german only, based on
the original 2-page one)
>
> you can use a freewaretool to save those forms with acrobat reader, not needing a
full acrobat
>
> http://www.fytek.com/products.php?pg=pdffilesave
>
> cya bluedragon7
>
>
>
yeah but they are in german, that doesn't help me much here in the usa.

mark
Message no. 61
From: bluedragon7@***.ch (Karsten Wiegers)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:44:54 +0200
> yeah but they are in german, that doesn't help me much here in the usa.
>
> mark

if i had just a little bit more time i could make them in english (not so much to change
anyways)

cya
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Message no. 62
From: anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject: SR4 Character sheets
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:32:40 -0700
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 17:44:54 +0200
"Karsten Wiegers" <bluedragon7@***.ch> wrote:
> > yeah but they are in german, that doesn't help me much here in the usa.
> >
> > mark
>
> if i had just a little bit more time i could make them in english (not so
> much to change anyways)
>
> cya
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