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Message no. 1
From: matthew.compton@*****.com (Matt)
Subject: SR4 Conjuring Question
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:35:14 -0700
During character creation do you need to purchase the conjuring
materials in order to start out with a bound spirit, or do you only
worry about that if you want to conjure during the game?

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Mankind cannot bear very much reality.
Message no. 2
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: SR4 Conjuring Question
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 11:15:19 +0200
According to Matt, on 17-9-05 20:35 the word on the street was...

> During character creation do you need to purchase the conjuring
> materials in order to start out with a bound spirit, or do you only
> worry about that if you want to conjure during the game?

If it doesn't say, I'd forget about the materials. You don't need to
deduct lifestyle costs for the years your character spent up until now,
or pay for a college education your backstory says the character had,
etc. so I wouldn't worry about the cost of a spirit that's already bound
at the start of the game.

You could, of course, buy the necessary materials and only make the
rolls once the character is in the game.

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Message no. 3
From: matthew.compton@*****.com (Matt)
Subject: SR4 Conjuring Question
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:39:00 -0700
On 9/18/05, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> According to Matt, on 17-9-05 20:35 the word on the street was...
>
> > During character creation do you need to purchase the conjuring
> > materials in order to start out with a bound spirit, or do you only
> > worry about that if you want to conjure during the game?
>
> If it doesn't say, I'd forget about the materials. You don't need to
> deduct lifestyle costs for the years your character spent up until now,
> or pay for a college education your backstory says the character had,
> etc. so I wouldn't worry about the cost of a spirit that's already bound
> at the start of the game.
>
> You could, of course, buy the necessary materials and only make the
> rolls once the character is in the game.

Thanks for the answer. I figured it would be best to just let him
start with the bound spirit. My thinking was along the same line, but
I didn't want to start a new campaign off on the wrong foot.
--
Mankind cannot bear very much reality.
Message no. 4
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: SR4 Conjuring Question
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:54:03 +0200
According to Matt, on 19-9-05 02:39 the word on the street was...

> Thanks for the answer. I figured it would be best to just let him
> start with the bound spirit. My thinking was along the same line, but
> I didn't want to start a new campaign off on the wrong foot.

Note that I didn't actually check the rules, so for all I know it _is_
mentioned somewhere, but this is the way I'd do it if I couldn't find
another answer. It just seems the logical way to do it to me :)

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GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UB+ P(+) L++ E W++(--) N o? K w-- O
M+ PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 5
From: u.alberton@*****.com (Bira)
Subject: SR4 Conjuring Question
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:00:53 -0300
On 9/19/05, Gurth <gurth@******.nl> wrote:
> According to Matt, on 19-9-05 02:39 the word on the street was...
>
> > Thanks for the answer. I figured it would be best to just let him
> > start with the bound spirit. My thinking was along the same line, but
> > I didn't want to start a new campaign off on the wrong foot.
>
> Note that I didn't actually check the rules, so for all I know it _is_
> mentioned somewhere, but this is the way I'd do it if I couldn't find
> another answer. It just seems the logical way to do it to me :)

I think the only thing they say about this is that you must pay build
points for the services the spirit owes you.

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Message no. 6
From: weberm@*******.net (Ubiquitous)
Subject: SR4 Conjuring Question
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:32:46 -0400
At 11:35 AM 9/17/2005 -0700, Matt <matthew.compton@*****.com> wrote:

>During character creation do you need to purchase the conjuring
>materials in order to start out with a bound spirit, or do you only
>worry about that if you want to conjure during the game?

I don't think we've ever bothered with the materials, but hermetic mages
should
have the proper conjuring library.
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on our front doorstep."
"Just leave it out there on the stoop, honey. The cats'll get it."
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Message no. 7
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: SR4 Conjuring Question
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:40:47 +0200
According to Ubiquitous, on 26-9-05 19:32 the word on the street was...

> I don't think we've ever bothered with the materials, but hermetic mages
> should have the proper conjuring library.

Even that really isn't required, IMHO: you can always say the character
conjured the spirit and then lost (access to) the library used for it.
Any number of plausible reasons for this can be found: it got destroyed
during a run; his library card has run out; his apartment's fire
sprinklers turned on when he summoned a fire elemental, and he'd
forgotten that inkjet printers use water-soluble ink, etc. :)

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de limme
-> Possibly NAGEE Editor & ShadowRN GridSec * Triangle Virtuoso <-
-> The Plastic Warriors Site: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UB+ P(+) L++ E W++(--) N o? K w-- O
M+ PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998
Message no. 8
From: weberm@*******.net (Ubiquitous)
Subject: SR4 Conjuring Question
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:42:15 -0400
At 07:40 PM 9/26/2005 +0200, you wrote:
>According to Ubiquitous, on 26-9-05 19:32 the word on the street was...

>> I don't think we've ever bothered with the materials, but hermetic mages
>> should have the proper conjuring library.
>
>Even that really isn't required, IMHO: you can always say the character
>conjured the spirit and then lost (access to) the library used for it.
>Any number of plausible reasons for this can be found: it got destroyed
>during a run; his library card has run out; his apartment's fire
>sprinklers turned on when he summoned a fire elemental, and he'd
>forgotten that inkjet printers use water-soluble ink, etc. :)

True, but that leaves the mage unable to summon replacement elementals.
--
"Ted, sweetheart...somebody's left a wicker basket with a little baby in it
on our front doorstep."
"Just leave it out there on the stoop, honey. The cats'll get it."
- Red Meat http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/
Message no. 9
From: gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject: SR4 Conjuring Question
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:09:27 +0200
According to Ubiquitous, on 26-9-05 22:42 the word on the street was...

> True, but that leaves the mage unable to summon replacement elementals.

Yep :) But that's the choice you make, isn't it? Having (rating^2)*1000
nuyen to spend on other stuff for the drawback that you can't have more
elementals until you earn more cash in the game.

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-> The Plastic Warriors Site: http://plastic.dumpshock.com <-

GC3.12: GAT/! d- s:- !a>? C++(---) UB+ P(+) L++ E W++(--) N o? K w-- O
M+ PS+ PE@ Y PGP- t- 5++ X(+) R+++$ tv+(++) b++@ DI- D G+ e h! !r y?
Incubated into the First Church of the Sqooshy Ball, 21-05-1998

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