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Message no. 1
From: caseless@*****.com (Stephen Allee)
Subject: [SR4] Enhanced Articulation (Or, You Mean I Get All Those Skills
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:42:40 -0700
It should add to the attribute. Still have to default, but get the +1 die,
IMHO.
Message no. 2
From: raymacey@*****.com (Ray Macey)
Subject: [SR4] Enhanced Articulation (Or, You Mean I Get All Those Skills
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 14:08:23 +1000
On 10/8/05, zebulingod <zebulingod@*****.com> wrote:
> So, SR4 assumes everyone has a skill of 0, unless they buy it higher or they
> are incompetent, yes?
>
> Enhanced Articulation gives +1 to all Physical skills linked to Physical
> attributes.

Actually, it gives a +1 pool bonus to tests involving physical skills
linked to physical attributes. It doesn't actually modify the skill
rating, which, as far as I can determine, means that it doesn't help
with the defaulting issue, and it also doesn't count towards the 1.5
modified skill rating limit.

That being said, I can't actually find any bit of cyberware, bioware
or adept power that directly alters your skill rating, which so far
means that modified skill limit is kind of redundant. It can be
argued that the bonus dice for the test equate to an increase in the
skill, but in that case it strikes me as strange that cyberware and
bioware explicity alters the values of attributes, but is worded
differently for skills

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Message no. 3
From: maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject: [SR4] Enhanced Articulation (Or, You Mean I Get All Those Skills
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:55:17 +0200
On 8 Oct 2005, at 05:12, zebulingod wrote:

> So, SR4 assumes everyone has a skill of 0, unless they buy it
> higher or they
> are incompetent, yes?
>
> Enhanced Articulation gives +1 to all Physical skills linked to
> Physical
> attributes.
>
> Does this mean that a character can take Enhanced Articulation and
> never
> again have to default (and suffer the penalties for doing so) and
> have all
> of those physical skills at rating 1?
>
> Zebulin

The way I read the rules, only incompetent characters get to
default -- that is, characters who don't have the skill. It is
assumed that everyone has most skills, albeit at a rating of 0, and
therefore normally rolls their attribute with no modifiers.
Well, I'm not sure, actually. This part of the rules is very
poorly-written and confusing, what with their "everyone has the skill
at a rating of 0" and their descriptions of skill levels "Unaware"
and "0 - Untrained"...

-- Wild_Cat





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Message no. 4
From: raymacey@*****.com (Ray Macey)
Subject: [SR4] Enhanced Articulation (Or, You Mean I Get All Those Skills
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 05:46:48 +1000
On 10/8/05, Max Noel <maxnoel_fr@*****.fr> wrote:
>
> On 8 Oct 2005, at 05:12, zebulingod wrote:
>
> The way I read the rules, only incompetent characters get to
> default -- that is, characters who don't have the skill. It is
> assumed that everyone has most skills, albeit at a rating of 0, and
> therefore normally rolls their attribute with no modifiers.

I believe the intention is that characters with incompetent can't
default at all. ie, if normally anyone can use a computer to do basic
stuff (in other words, default) unless they are incompetent, in which
case computers are a complete mystery (in other words, can't even turn
one on)

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Message no. 5
From: reynardsurface@*****.com (Pace)
Subject: [SR4] Enhanced Articulation (Or, You Mean I Get All Those Skills
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:08:32 -0500
On 10/8/05, Ray Macey <raymacey@*****.com> wrote:
>
> I believe the intention is that characters with incompetent can't
> default at all. ie, if normally anyone can use a computer to do basic
> stuff (in other words, default) unless they are incompetent, in which
> case computers are a complete mystery (in other words, can't even turn
> one on)
>

That's my understanding as well. Everyone knows enough to give most things
the old college try. If it's not italicized in the little skill listing, it
can be defaulted from.

There's actually not that many skills left that EA helps with. The B/R loss
in particular is sad, for me.

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