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Message no. 1
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:54:51 EDT
In a message dated 4/25/98 12:29:33 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG writes:

> A similar situation is occuring in California. After irrigating for
> a season and harvesting the crops, salt and mineral deposits are left
> behind. Farmers remove the salt by flooding their fields (which
> washes away the salt). The problem is that the salt is now in the
> water table, which is rising because of the water added to it from
> irrigation. When the saltwater rises high enough it will poison
> thousands of acres of land. They still haven't figured out how to
> solve the problem. And farmers who rely on their crops to make money
> to survive continue to plant, irrigate, and harvest, adding more salt
> and water to the water table.
>
I've wondered stuff like this before. Mike and I have a running joke about
Azaca, the "youngest" of the Loa from Awakenings. We've made cracks that
every so often he gets' really upset with stuff and goes on a "Children of the
Corn" sort of rampage. Finds some willing Serviteur or Voudon, jumps in at
FULL force and does something annoying like over-run the flood plains from the
Mississippi (as an example).

Anyway, here is a thought that I've been running with.

The Nutrition spell supplies a living organism with it's "daily requirements
of nutrients" (paraphrased that btw). What if that were applied to a Plant?
Plants will grow if given the space and ability to do so. There is a
particularly out-of-control vine in Georgia, North Florida and Tennessee that
comes to mind. Some snotty-minded magician decides he's going to get even
with someone, rewrites Nutrition, turns it into an area of effect for plants
only...and just starts planting the vines in annoying places (like say some
flower pots around the government buildings in Atlanta :). One or two
castings, and low-and-behold, instant chaos over night (in the case of that
vine, literally overnight).

How's that for a "not quite toxic shaman" POV?

-K
Message no. 2
From: John Vots <jvots@**.KO.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:22:08 -0400
>There is a particularly out-of-control vine in Georgia, North Florida >and
Tennessee that comes to mind. Some snotty-minded magician decides >he's
going to get even with someone, rewrites Nutrition, turns it into >an area
of effect for plants only...and just starts planting the vines >in annoying
places (like say some flower pots around the government >buildings in
Atlanta :). One or two
>castings, and low-and-behold, instant chaos over night (in the case of
>that vine, literally overnight).
>How's that for a "not quite toxic shaman" POV?

That would be just wonderful, just what Atlanta needs more of that plant.
However, planting it around the Government buildings would be just
hilarious.

I don't think it would take overnight, especially with the Plant Food
spell, probably just a couple of hours. Even when you burn that junk
it does'nt go away but for a couple of months.



Jester
Message no. 3
From: losthalo <losthalo@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:26:08 -0400
At 05:54 PM 4/25/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Anyway, here is a thought that I've been running with.
>
>The Nutrition spell supplies a living organism with it's "daily requirements
>of nutrients" (paraphrased that btw). What if that were applied to a Plant?
>Plants will grow if given the space and ability to do so. There is a
>particularly out-of-control vine in Georgia, North Florida and Tennessee that
>comes to mind. Some snotty-minded magician decides he's going to get even
>with someone, rewrites Nutrition, turns it into an area of effect for plants
>only...and just starts planting the vines in annoying places (like say some
>flower pots around the government buildings in Atlanta :). One or two
>castings, and low-and-behold, instant chaos over night (in the case of that
>vine, literally overnight).
>
>How's that for a "not quite toxic shaman" POV?

*EVIL grin*

I recall ( I think it was from an old, old issue of Discover magazine) a
description of a type of bush so resilient that it withstood explosives,
all sorts of chemical attacks, etc... There were even samples found
surviving near the Hiroshima blast (I recall it being of Asian origin) or
something equally crazy. Feed some Nutrition spells to something like
that, in say, Anchoring or Quickening format... You can give someone a
helluva practical joke. :) Or headache.

losthalo
Message no. 4
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:03:02 EDT
In a message dated 4/25/98 9:31:37 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
losthalo@********.COM writes:

> I recall ( I think it was from an old, old issue of Discover magazine) a
> description of a type of bush so resilient that it withstood explosives,
> all sorts of chemical attacks, etc... There were even samples found
> surviving near the Hiroshima blast (I recall it being of Asian origin) or
> something equally crazy. Feed some Nutrition spells to something like
> that, in say, Anchoring or Quickening format... You can give someone a
> helluva practical joke. :) Or headache.
>
I remember that thing too for some reason, but for some reason the "Kudzu
Vine" keeps creeping into my mind...AAAAAHHHH!!!! Help, Creeping Brain
Vines...BACK ! BACK ! ... DOWN!!! SLAY PLANT SLAY PLANT!!! :)

-K
Message no. 5
From: Mark Ellis <mark@******.IDISCOVER.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:14:27 +0100
-----Original Message-----
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: 25 April 1998 23:01
Subject: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)



>I've wondered stuff like this before. Mike and I have a running joke about
>Azaca, the "youngest" of the Loa from Awakenings. We've made cracks that
>every so often he gets' really upset with stuff and goes on a "Children of
the
>Corn" sort of rampage. Finds some willing Serviteur or Voudon, jumps in at
>FULL force and does something annoying like over-run the flood plains from
the
>Mississippi (as an example).
>
>Anyway, here is a thought that I've been running with.
>
>The Nutrition spell supplies a living organism with it's "daily
requirements
>of nutrients" (paraphrased that btw). What if that were applied to a
Plant?
>Plants will grow if given the space and ability to do so. There is a
>particularly out-of-control vine in Georgia, North Florida and Tennessee
that
>comes to mind. Some snotty-minded magician decides he's going to get even
>with someone, rewrites Nutrition, turns it into an area of effect for
plants
>only...and just starts planting the vines in annoying places (like say some
>flower pots around the government buildings in Atlanta :). One or two
>castings, and low-and-behold, instant chaos over night (in the case of that
>vine, literally overnight).
>
>How's that for a "not quite toxic shaman" POV?
>


Already been done, though not intentionally. Some of the towns and cities in
Amazonia have to regualarly fight back the forest due to overzealous
reforestation. I guess the Tir just got lucky when they regenned the redwood
groves. Having a 300 foot tree growing right in front of the door could be a
real pain in the neck :)

Mark
Message no. 6
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:31:45 EDT
In a message dated 4/26/98 4:34:04 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
mark@******.IDISCOVER.CO.UK writes:

> Already been done, though not intentionally. Some of the towns and cities in
> Amazonia have to regualarly fight back the forest due to overzealous
> reforestation. I guess the Tir just got lucky when they regenned the
redwood
> groves. Having a 300 foot tree growing right in front of the door could be
a
> real pain in the neck :)
>
I realized that, I just find it interesting that it's some of the "minor
spells" (Nutrition in this case) that can have the potentially most
devastating side effects. AoE variation on that spell is "S+1" I think
(according to our reverse engineering from Nutrition anyway). Turn that into
Ritual, maybe get a Field Spirit or something to act as a "spotter", and that
could get out right impressive and fearful all at the same time.

-K
Message no. 7
From: Scott Peterson <peterson_scott@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:40:32 PDT
>I recall ( I think it was from an old, old issue of Discover magazine)
a
>description of a type of bush so resilient that it withstood
explosives,
>all sorts of chemical attacks, etc... There were even samples found
>surviving near the Hiroshima blast (I recall it being of Asian origin)
or
>something equally crazy. Feed some Nutrition spells to something like
>that, in say, Anchoring or Quickening format... You can give someone a
>helluva practical joke. :) Or headache.
>
>losthalo
>
or one hell of a way to do astral defense on a building et al!!!!!

Edge

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Message no. 8
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:49:08 -0300
Ereskanti escreveu:

> I realized that, I just find it interesting that it's some of the "minor
> spells" (Nutrition in this case) that can have the potentially most
> devastating side effects. AoE variation on that spell is "S+1" I think
> (according to our reverse engineering from Nutrition anyway). Turn that into
> Ritual, maybe get a Field Spirit or something to act as a "spotter", and
that
> could get out right impressive and fearful all at the same time.
>
> -K


Depends on what you want to nurture... Growing the Amazonic Forest
and
the 92% of the Atlantic Forest that has been destroyed would take a lot
of raw power...
Something of Ghost Dance proportions.
Too much? Take some time to fins maps of Brazil detailing the
destruction of the Atlantic
Forest (about half of the country specially in the coast, originally).
It's down to
almost nothing today...

Ubiratan
Message no. 9
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:43:47 +0100
And verily, did Ereskanti hastily scribble thusly...
|Plants will grow if given the space and ability to do so. There is a
|particularly out-of-control vine in Georgia, North Florida and Tennessee that
|comes to mind.

Wouldn't be Cudzu by any chance, would it?
I've heard of that one...

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Message no. 10
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:55:17 -0600
At 12:43 27/04/98 +0100, you wrote:
>And verily, did Ereskanti hastily scribble thusly...
>|Plants will grow if given the space and ability to do so. There is a
>|particularly out-of-control vine in Georgia, North Florida and Tennessee
that
>|comes to mind.
>
>Wouldn't be Cudzu by any chance, would it?
>I've heard of that one...

Kudzu, I believe.. :)

-Adam
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Message no. 11
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 07:56:40 EDT
In a message dated 4/26/98 2:31:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!, losthalo@********.COM
writes:

> *EVIL grin*
>
> I recall ( I think it was from an old, old issue of Discover magazine) a
> description of a type of bush so resilient that it withstood explosives,
> all sorts of chemical attacks, etc... There were even samples found
> surviving near the Hiroshima blast (I recall it being of Asian origin) or
> something equally crazy. Feed some Nutrition spells to something like
> that, in say, Anchoring or Quickening format... You can give someone a
> helluva practical joke. :) Or headache.
>
> losthalo

The other alternative to this, which would have far more of a world wide
impact is the ability to grow plants in places where they could normally not
survive (like deserts, mountain tops, and other places of the like), which
would also include polluted areas, even though the plants would become toxic,
they would begin the process of reclaiming the land from the toxins.

World hunger would begin to be abated as the amount of food supply would
increase dramatically.

Plants and the like could be grown in places where there is little arable
land, even within buildings or in a room in a home.

What would the effects on the world be. The demand on soy or artificial
foodstuffs (other than snack foods) would decrease dramatically. Corps which
make fertilizers would find themselves being put out of business by enchanters
making the pricey, but desired anchorings for the Nutrition spell. Corps
which are involved in the reclamation of toxins from the land would be
somewhat jealous, though would find some of their work easier to do, so they
might not mind.

I had one of my pcs, Herc, consider selling this formula to the entire world
via the UN, but backed off when someone told him of the potential outfall,
especially the fact that certain corps would consider him a target for
termination.

I have also done the same thing in the game with Herc, though with a far more
deadlier opponent, OPEC, as I had him introduce a new power plant system which
allows for nuclear (bubble fusion) powered vehicles (Body 8 and up), which
would also include Naval category vessels (Hull 1 or 2 max), and would be
fully integratable into true Naval Spacecraft.

I guess it is time for me to begin to make life more interesting for my pc /
npc (as I am the one gming most of the time now, Keith took the reigns once
when I was getting burned out from the game and work one weekend.

Mike
Message no. 12
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:21:36 EDT
In a message dated 4/26/98 9:34:04 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
mark@******.IDISCOVER.CO.UK writes:

> Already been done, though not intentionally. Some of the towns and cities in
> Amazonia have to regualarly fight back the forest due to overzealous
> reforestation. I guess the Tir just got lucky when they regenned the
redwood
> groves. Having a 300 foot tree growing right in front of the door could be
a
> real pain in the neck :)
>
> Mark

Yeah, I understand that point, though I thought in the case of Tir na'Nog and
Amazonia that 90%+ of the regrowth was uncontrolled. The Nutrition spell
applied to plants would allow some measure of control, as you could then
determine what places are capable of growth and the like.

Mike
Message no. 13
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:49:56 EDT
In a message dated 4/26/98 8:19:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR writes:

> Depends on what you want to nurture... Growing the Amazonic Forest
> and
> the 92% of the Atlantic Forest that has been destroyed would take a lot
> of raw power...
> Something of Ghost Dance proportions.
> Too much? Take some time to fins maps of Brazil detailing the
> destruction of the Atlantic
> Forest (about half of the country specially in the coast, originally).
> It's down to
> almost nothing today...

The one thing about some magics, is if they are best left to see what time
determines and more usage of the Nutrition spell. As time passes the foliage
would come back. What some of us are describing is something that is going to
take decades to accomplish, and not the minutes, hours, or days of the
Awakening and other cataclysmic events (like the GGD).

Mike
Message no. 14
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:32:51 -0500
On 27 Apr 98 at 5:55, Adam J wrote:

> Kudzu, I believe.. :)

Right in one...

That stuff is amazing. I have family in Mississippi, and the stuff is
everywhere. There was this old abandoned barn across the road from
theire house. One summer, the Kudzu had completely engulfed the place
in a matter of weeks. Weed killer wouldn't take it out. They chopped
it down, but it came back. They finally had to burn the place down.
Nasty stuff.

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Message no. 15
From: Lehlan Decker <decker@****.FSU.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:09:50 -0500
>
> On 27 Apr 98 at 5:55, Adam J wrote:
>
> > Kudzu, I believe.. :)
>
> Right in one...
>
> That stuff is amazing. I have family in Mississippi, and the stuff is
> everywhere. There was this old abandoned barn across the road from
> theire house. One summer, the Kudzu had completely engulfed the place
> in a matter of weeks. Weed killer wouldn't take it out. They chopped
> it down, but it came back. They finally had to burn the place down.
> Nasty stuff.
>
Ick..there is also a water version, we usually call hydrilla.
Wakulla Springs here in Tallahassee, has had a bad case of the
stuff for about a year now. We go diving, pull out truck loads of
the stuff, and a month later its back. And when your dealing with
a sensitive ecosystem, chemicals etc are out. Sigh...killer plants
gotta love them.

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Message no. 16
From: Stephen Delear <c715591@******.MISSOURI.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:48:14 -0500
At 09:32 AM 98-04-27 -0500, you wrote:
>On 27 Apr 98 at 5:55, Adam J wrote:
>
>> Kudzu, I believe.. :)
>
>Right in one...
>
>That stuff is amazing. I have family in Mississippi, and the stuff is
>everywhere. There was this old abandoned barn across the road from
>theire house. One summer, the Kudzu had completely engulfed the place
>in a matter of weeks. Weed killer wouldn't take it out. They chopped
>it down, but it came back. They finally had to burn the place down.
>Nasty stuff.
>

For some reason I don't remember ever hearing about the stuff in relation
to Texas (funny we get most of the imported biological nastys like fire
ants) can it not grow in a dry hot climate or is it edible by cows or fire
ants?

SteveD
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>Drekhead
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>
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Message no. 17
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:01:35 -0500
On 27 Apr 98 at 13:48, Stephen Delear wrote:

> >> Kudzu

> nastys like fire ants) can it not grow in a dry hot climate or is it
> edible by cows or fire ants?

Really don't know. There were cows around, and even a few ant mounds
now that I think about it. Couldn't tell you if there is a
connection, however.

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Message no. 18
From: John Vots <jvots@**.KO.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:47:16 -0400
>One summer, the Kudzu had completely engulfed the place
>in a matter of weeks. Weed killer wouldn't take it out. They chopped
>it down, but it came back. They finally had to burn the place down.
>Nasty stuff.
10:1 it comes back again this year. Tye stuff is unstoppable, nearly
unkillable and just a royal pain in the @**

>Drekhead
>Missing sig. $100 reward if found.

I've found one would you car to identify it?



Jester
Message no. 19
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:47:40 EDT
In a message dated 4/27/98 6:46:27 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:

> Plants will grow if given the space and ability to do so. There is a
> |particularly out-of-control vine in Georgia, North Florida and Tennessee
> that
> |comes to mind.
>
> Wouldn't be Cudzu by any chance, would it?
> I've heard of that one...
>
Like I said, I kept thinking of that too, but for some reason that name just
doesn't seem to fit the memory...but hey, it's official...Senility is setting
in here :P

-K
Message no. 20
From: "Mark C. Farrington" <alareth@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:29:19 -0400
I believe that is spelled Kudzu

Ereskanti wrote:

> In a message dated 4/27/98 6:46:27 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
> u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK writes:
>
> > Plants will grow if given the space and ability to do so. There is a
> > |particularly out-of-control vine in Georgia, North Florida and Tennessee
> > that
> > |comes to mind.
> >
> > Wouldn't be Cudzu by any chance, would it?
> > I've heard of that one...
> >
> Like I said, I kept thinking of that too, but for some reason that name just
> doesn't seem to fit the memory...but hey, it's official...Senility is setting
> in here :P
>
> -K



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Message no. 21
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:52:58 +0100
And verily, did Mark C. Farrington hastily scribble thusly...
|
|I believe that is spelled Kudzu

READ THE FAQ...
Please?

Only quote what's relevant, and put your message AFTER the quoted bit.

Like this in fact.....
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Message no. 22
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:56:50 -0300
Airwasp escreveu:
>
> In a message dated 4/26/98 8:19:49 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
> ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR writes:
>
> > Depends on what you want to nurture... Growing the Amazonic Forest
> > and
> > the 92% of the Atlantic Forest that has been destroyed would take a lot
> > of raw power...
> > Something of Ghost Dance proportions.
> > Too much? Take some time to fins maps of Brazil detailing the
> > destruction of the Atlantic
> > Forest (about half of the country specially in the coast, originally).
> > It's down to
> > almost nothing today...
>
> The one thing about some magics, is if they are best left to see what time
> determines and more usage of the Nutrition spell. As time passes the foliage
> would come back. What some of us are describing is something that is going to
> take decades to accomplish, and not the minutes, hours, or days of the
> Awakening and other cataclysmic events (like the GGD).
>
> Mike

If you used only Nutrition, it would probably reduce the regrowth
time to "only"
150 years or so (we're talking about 3-4 million sq. kilometers, but
don't quote me on this),
supposing no one touched what's left of the forest. Just anchoring to
that area would take some
serious work. Those figures I mentioned are from this time, not 2060. I
figure the people in
charge of the Amazonian Federation would have regrowth a portion of the
destroyes ecosystems,
but not as much as FASA says, even with more than just Nutrition :) .

Ubiratan
Message no. 23
From: "Ubiratan P. Alberton" <ubiratan@**.HOMESHOPPING.COM.BR>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:20:49 -0300
Lehlan Decker escreveu:
>
> >
> > On 27 Apr 98 at 5:55, Adam J wrote:
> >
> > > Kudzu, I believe.. :)
> >
> > Right in one...
> >
> > That stuff is amazing. I have family in Mississippi, and the stuff is
> > everywhere. There was this old abandoned barn across the road from
> > theire house. One summer, the Kudzu had completely engulfed the place
> > in a matter of weeks. Weed killer wouldn't take it out. They chopped
> > it down, but it came back. They finally had to burn the place down.
> > Nasty stuff.
> >
> Ick..there is also a water version, we usually call hydrilla.
> Wakulla Springs here in Tallahassee, has had a bad case of the
> stuff for about a year now. We go diving, pull out truck loads of
> the stuff, and a month later its back. And when your dealing with
> a sensitive ecosystem, chemicals etc are out. Sigh...killer plants
> gotta love them.
>

Wonder what an Awakened version of this would be <EGM grin>.

Ubiratan
Message no. 24
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:49:11 EDT
In a message dated 4/27/98 1:33:20 PM !!!First Boot!!!, drekhead@***.NET
writes:

> > Kudzu, I believe.. :)
>
> Right in one...
>
> That stuff is amazing. I have family in Mississippi, and the stuff is
> everywhere. There was this old abandoned barn across the road from
> theire house. One summer, the Kudzu had completely engulfed the place
> in a matter of weeks. Weed killer wouldn't take it out. They chopped
> it down, but it came back. They finally had to burn the place down.
> Nasty stuff.

Does anyone know if Kudzu has anything beneficial about itself, or is just a
plain nuisance (Threat) from Hades ?

Mike
Message no. 25
From: Nexx <nexx@********.NET>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:41:01 -0500
> Does anyone know if Kudzu has anything beneficial about itself, or is
just a
> plain nuisance (Threat) from Hades ?
>
> Mike

Well, it does help control erosion. Unfortunately, it does it by
covering entire states and keeping them from moving along with the rest of
the continental plate....
Message no. 26
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:08:49 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 11:08:55 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
nexx@********.NET writes:

> Well, it does help control erosion. Unfortunately, it does it by
> covering entire states and keeping them from moving along with the rest of
> the continental plate....
>
Ya know, for some reason I foresee a really twisted NPC coming along. We got
to Atlanta enough in the games here ... yep ... problems on the horizon....

-K
Message no. 27
From: rabiola <rabiola@**.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:46:55 -0500
>> Ick..there is also a water version, we usually call hydrilla.
>> Wakulla Springs here in Tallahassee, has had a bad case of the
>> stuff for about a year now. We go diving, pull out truck loads of
>> the stuff, and a month later its back. And when your dealing with
>> a sensitive ecosystem, chemicals etc are out. Sigh...killer plants
>> gotta love them.
>>
>
> Wonder what an Awakened version of this would be <EGM grin>.
>


Dunno, but people just might start paying attention to those "No
Swimming" signs at area lakes...

Tony Rabiola rabiola@**.netcom.com
Fourth and Sixth World Adept
Still working on the Fifth...
Message no. 28
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:29:12 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 4:08:53 PM !!!First Boot!!!, nexx@********.NET
writes:

> > Does anyone know if Kudzu has anything beneficial about itself, or is
> just a
> > plain nuisance (Threat) from Hades ?
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well, it does help control erosion. Unfortunately, it does it by
> covering entire states and keeping them from moving along with the rest of
> the continental plate....
>
Consider a possible application then ... a corp gets into the business of
growing the stuff and then processes it every now and then into some form of
additive or foodstuff for general consumption. Sounds like the stuff does not
need any form of fertilizer or magical enhancement to grow at enormous rates.

Though here is an idea. What if in the awakened world, Kudzu goblinized. A
single, large Kudzu plant would have some sort of basic hive mind which would
come into being after achieving a certain size, and perhaps even true
sentience after getting to a critical stage in their growth. I would see it
as being innately magical and capable of communication with other Kudzu plants
within range that have begun to become aware in terms of thought and action,
this would even include the ones on their way to some sort of animalistic
awareness.

Mike
Message no. 29
From: Ereskanti <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:27:50 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/98 9:47:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, Airwasp@***.COM
writes:

> Though here is an idea. What if in the awakened world, Kudzu goblinized. A
> single, large Kudzu plant would have some sort of basic hive mind which
> would
> come into being after achieving a certain size, and perhaps even true
> sentience after getting to a critical stage in their growth. I would see
it
> as being innately magical and capable of communication with other Kudzu
> plants
> within range that have begun to become aware in terms of thought and
action,
> this would even include the ones on their way to some sort of animalistic
> awareness.
>
FEED ME SEYMORE!!!!

-K (had to be done)
Message no. 30
From: Airwasp <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Agriculture (Re: Into Africa I Go a Praying...)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:43:42 EDT
In a message dated 4/29/98 12:49:53 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Ereskanti@***.COM
writes:

> > Though here is an idea. What if in the awakened world, Kudzu goblinized.
> A
> > single, large Kudzu plant would have some sort of basic hive mind which
> > would
> > come into being after achieving a certain size, and perhaps even true
> > sentience after getting to a critical stage in their growth. I would
see
> it
> > as being innately magical and capable of communication with other Kudzu
> > plants
> > within range that have begun to become aware in terms of thought and
> action,
> > this would even include the ones on their way to some sort of
animalistic
> > awareness.
> >
> FEED ME SEYMORE!!!!
>
> -K (had to be done)

K ... take this ...


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Forgive me, this is my first Thwaping in this manner. I shall improve in
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(Sound of me running, screams from people as I throw them out from underneath
Gurth's stairs, including K).

Mike

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