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Message no. 1
From: Mon goose <landsquid@*******.COM>
Subject: SR compainion "point system"
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:29:34 PST
Somebody was wondering how the "point Vs priority" chart would stack up.
Heres the priority chart with point costs written in. Skills cost is
equal to the skill value. Resorces are harder to compare, since poorer
mages get so few force points under the priority system,andthe 30 given
by the point system can't be "sold back".


attributes skills magic race resorce
A 30 (60) 40 full (20) meta (10) 1 meg/50 (30+)
B 24 (48) 30 adept (15), meta mage (20) 400K/35 (35+)
C 20 (40) 24 meta adept more meta 90k/25 (10-)
D 17 (34) 20 5k /15 (5-)
E 15 (30) 17 500/5 (0-)

notes: a mage under the points system pays 40 points for resource A,
37.5 for B. C,D, and E resources have no eqivalent for spell using
mages. The difference in cash for contacts VS. points cost would also
make a large difference to some characters creation.

For characters as a whole, there are only 36 "sensable" combinations of
priorities. Chose to be a meta mage, a normal mage, a meta adept, a
normal adept, a meta mundane,or a normal mundane. Then allocate the 3
highest values left to attributes, skills, and resorces: that gives 6
ways to distribute those 3 choices foreach of 6 character types. Meats
can be done "priority A" as normal, or "C" for "more
metahumans"

Thats not to many to just whip up all the comparable point values- some
don't compare, some don't make sense (No human uses the "E" priotirty
for anything that costs points), I can even do metas twice, once normal
and once "more meta's".

Heres the basic breakdown, for
characters that have direct eqivalents under the 2 systems: all adepts
are given 2 costs- the first for physads, where force points are not an
issue- the second, with equivalent force points bought. ? means no
equivalent, but note that, having fewer force, thier cost should be even
LOWER- such adpts can be bought with points for the given cost, but they
will just have the given 30 force, not the reduced force amount
available with C-E resource prioritys.

Character "type"
Attributes skills Resorces point cost
Metahuman full mage
? = no direct equivalents
"More meta" full mage
D E B 108.5
E D B 97.5
Metahuman adept
B D E 93/ ?
B E D 95/ ?
D B E 89/ ?
D E B 96/98.5
E B D 90/ ?
E D B 95/97.5

"More meta" adept
A D E 105/ ?
A E D 107/ ?
D A E 99/ ?
D E A 106/116
E A D 100/ ?
E D A 105/115

Human full mage
C D B 102.5
D C B 100.5
others resources: not directly comperable

Human Adept
A C D 104/ ?
A D C 105/ ?
C D A 105/115
C A D 100/ ?
D C A 108/118
D A C 104/ ?

Metahuman mundane
B C D 89
B D C 88
C B D 85
C D B 90
D B C 84
D C B 88

"More meta" mundane
A B D 105
A D B 110
B A D 103
B D A 108
D A B 104
D B A 104
Human mundane
A B C 100
A C B 104
B A C 98
B C A 102
C B A 100
C A B 100


Well, what does this show? (besides errors in my arithmatic)

The first thing is that almost all values
are within 10% (or at most 15%) of 100, so the two systems are
comperable, but different enough that only one should be used to avoid
min-maxing.

If you look at the point totals, characters with high ones should be
comparably "strong" in campaigns where only the priority system is used,
if the point system is "balanced".

Indeed, high resource human or methuman adepts are classic "minmaxed"
characters. "More meta" mundanes have an edge, while normal (A
priority) metas are at a dis-advantage under the priotity system- that
low point total seems right.

On the other hand, In a "point value only" campaign, the only
characters not likely to be trimed back a touch are meta human adepts,
meta human mundanes, and I'd expect metahuman mages. All get a boost,
as thier low point toalt gives them some points to spend,
but not as as much of a boost as the "more meta" option gives.

I'd say the systemis more balanced AND more flexable, although I can't
speek for its effect on mages- the fact that they ALL get 30 force
pointsto spend could be a bit of an advantage, but it seems fairto those
who don't want cash. Contacts seem over priced- 5 points gets you a
contactand a buddy, or potentially lots more than 15,000 nuyen. I'd
like the option of still spending cash for contacts.


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Message no. 2
From: Barbie <barbie@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR compainion "point system"
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 06:05:56 -0500
At 29-Nov-97 wrote Mon goose:

>equal to the skill value. Resorces are harder to compare, since poorer
>mages get so few force points under the priority system,andthe 30 given
>by the point system can't be "sold back".

My compainion says the opposite, force points can be sold at a rate of
2 FP= 1 BP.

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