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Message no. 1
From: BulletShower <nmatausc@****.CIP.FAK14.UNI-MUENCHEN.DE>
Subject: SR: Drugs
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:06:33 +1000
Hoi chums,

just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
what drugs they're taking?


:)
BulletShower
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Message no. 2
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 12:29:47 -0500
>Hoi chums,
>
>just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
>what drugs they're taking?
>
Well, For our group, not a whole lot... My character (Bull) doesn;t even
drink... But, his partner Johnny 99 pops plenty of "magic" mushrooms, does
marijuana (SP??), and drinks plenty... But he's an Indian Shaman... So
that's natural...

I know there was an Ork in Tinner's group one time that dosed himself
heavily with Blood Balls (Kamikazee), and Tinner is now running his "speed"
samurai (All his powers and boosts are from drugs) and he takes all of them
in heavy doses...

But, that's about it... Most of the guys that we play with don't do any, at
least not any major ones that are role played a lot... If asked, they
probably do some recreationally, at home, between runs... But I think
that's due to tying to avoid too many penalties from taking them...:)

-Bull-the-drug=free-decker-turned-GM


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Message no. 3
From: Michael Orion Jackson <orion@****.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:31:56 -0600
Do you mea what drugs am I the player taking or what drugs my character is
taking?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Michael Orion Jackson~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~TAMS Class of 1996/UT Class of 199?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~2112 Guadalupe, Rm. 502; Austin, Tx 78705 (The Goodall-Wooten)~~~~~~~
"Goddamn creatures of the night, they never learn." ~Gideon, _The Crow_
"Happiness is but a temporary chemical imbalance of the true baseline state
of our minds."~Lusiphur, quote ill-rembered and butchered by M. O. Jackson

On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, BulletShower wrote:

> Hoi chums,
>
> just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
> what drugs they're taking?
>
>
> :)
> BulletShower
> ______________________________________________________________________
> "Gott wuerfelt nicht" (A. Einstein)
> For More information on diceless roleplaying and own Shadowrun stuff,
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Message no. 4
From: olafur gunnarsson <olafurg@******.IS>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:41:35 GMT
Hoi chums,
just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
what drugs they're taking?


Well ive got two Players who´s chars have been heavy into drugs. One wa=
s
heavily into
Heroin almost all his money went into getting a fix´.
The other was more into designer Ampetamins.Tri betas. Beta amphs. ephine=
frin.
something i cooked up called Jester. and last was a shot of Kamikaze.
Both players went of the junk when thier chars were starting to slide.Ans
spent three months and load of money and Karma to beat thier chosen habit=
s:).
-Olafur G
Message no. 5
From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" <Scott.E.Meyer@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:56:16 -0600
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, BulletShower wrote:

> Hoi chums,
>
> just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
> what drugs they're taking?
>
>
> :)
> BulletShower

One of my friends that's currently running in the same game as I am came
up with a character "Lenny" who's a pothead in every sense of the word.
He has a lot of skills and they're almost all B+R, so he's a great one for
rigging the locks or security system or whatever. He's always
stoned, and usually spaced out, completely oblivious of what's going on
around him, like when they're shooting at him. He gets a few ads and
disads and stuff but it's mostly just roleplayed.
"whoah, dude, like, ever notice how many tetris pieces you can make out
of the ceiling tiles?"

-Q

> ______________________________________________________________________
> "Gott wuerfelt nicht" (A. Einstein)
> For More information on diceless roleplaying and own Shadowrun stuff,
> jack into http://www.cip.fak14.uni-muenchen.de/~nmatausc
>

--------------------------------
Is "anal-retentive" hyphenated?

Scott "Q" Meyer
Scott.E.Meyer@*******.edu
http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer
Message no. 6
From: Shad Owens <shadow@******.LINFIELD.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:31:59 -0800
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, BulletShower wrote:

> Hoi chums,
>
> just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
> what drugs they're taking?

None of our characters take drugs -- at least not when they are
on a run. We learned our lesson the first time the GM kept track of how
much we had to drink, and we didn't...

Jennie (the decker who won't ever run the 'trix when drunk again)
Message no. 7
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:36:30 +0000
On 13 Nov 96 at 13:06, BulletShower wrote:
> just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
> what drugs they're taking?
Drugs?
What Drugs are you refering to?
Coffein, Alcohol, Nicotin? Hashish/Marihuana?
Or the FASA-approved Combat drugs like Kamikaze?

Having a look at FASA's rules about Drug (ab-)use, and the consequences, it is
impossible for a char in a campaign to "use" drugs as enhacements on a regular
basis, so there's just one thing to do - change the rules.

For the other ones (the first five I mentioned) - ever seen a shaman going
into trance? Heck, some other chars ENVY me when I do ritual magic, believing
my char is just doin' a party in his lodge :-)
Message no. 8
From: Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:25:12 -0600
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, BulletShower wrote:

> Hoi chums,
>
> just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
> what drugs they're taking?

Just a nicotine addiction for my fire elementalist, Napalm. He's always
smoking flavored cigars.

-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at large is on the web at www2.cy-net.net/~fauxpas

"I probably should put a new quote here."
-Me
Message no. 9
From: NightLife <habenir@******.SAN.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 15:35:01 -0500
At 01:06 PM 11/13/96 +1000, BulletShower wrote:
>Hoi chums,
>
>just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
>what drugs they're taking?
>

Does half of a entire roster that goes on drinking binges count? If so glen
livit , authentic geman beer and plain olf irish whiskey are the choice in
the campaign I run.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

If you have to ask then it's probably classified.
Which means that I have to follow protocol.
But if you ask nicely I might forget that you asked.
Then again maybe not.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Document Classified
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Message no. 10
From: Marcos Adi <adimar@*******.CO.IL>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:49:35 +0200
On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, BulletShower wrote:
> just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
> what drugs they're taking?

I played three characters that were addicted to something or another
alcoholic, and a wirehead (chemical drug addiction isn't common in the
shadowrun world since sensachips can recreate any sensation a drug gives
with far less cost to produce and less negative physical effects on the user.
(yes the drug pushers do care - a dead/very sick addict can't
work/steal/other the nuyen to buy more drugs)
Message no. 11
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:41:55 +0000
On 13 Nov 96 at 14:25, Faux Pas wrote:
[snip drugs]
> Just a nicotine addiction for my fire elementalist, Napalm. He's always
> smoking flavored cigars.
Hm, at least he will always get them lit, I suppose *grin*
Message no. 12
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:41:55 +0000
On 14 Nov 96 at 9:49, Marcos Adi wrote:
[snip]
> (chemical drug addiction isn't common in the
> shadowrun world since sensachips can recreate any sensation a drug gives
> with far less cost to produce and less negative physical effects on the user.
> (yes the drug pushers do care - a dead/very sick addict can't
> work/steal/other the nuyen to buy more drugs)
Disagree. You'd have a jack for that, and they cost big time money (well - not
for a Runner, but for Joe-on-the-street). And having to go to a surgeon before
I can really try my first chip would lower the chance of trying (unless you
already HAVE a jack).

Chemical drugs will be common among all those who can't afford the 2Knuyen +
surgeon costs, or those who are for some reasons (or another) not willing to
have metal installed in them.

Sascha
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Message no. 13
From: Mark McLaughlin <mmclaugh@*******.EENG.DCU.IE>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:11:36 -0800
Sascha Pabst wrote:
>
> On 14 Nov 96 at 9:49, Marcos Adi wrote:
> [snip]
> > (chemical drug addiction isn't common in the
> > shadowrun world since sensachips can recreate any sensation a drug gives
> > with far less cost to produce and less negative physical effects on the user.
> > (yes the drug pushers do care - a dead/very sick addict can't
> > work/steal/other the nuyen to buy more drugs)
> Disagree. You'd have a jack for that, and they cost big time money (well - not
> for a Runner, but for Joe-on-the-street). And having to go to a surgeon before
> I can really try my first chip would lower the chance of trying (unless you
> already HAVE a jack).
>
> Chemical drugs will be common among all those who can't afford the 2Knuyen +
> surgeon costs, or those who are for some reasons (or another) not willing to
> have metal installed in them.
>
> Sascha
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Having read both Sasha`s and Marcos ideas on whether drugs would be
freely available in an SR world and being an SR GM myself I can only
conclude that although BTL chips and the like have obviously replaced
drugs (certainly with those who can afford them, chip jacks and all
that)
it is very probable that drugs still thrive in certain sub-cultures.
Certainly if my players asked me if a certain common (1990`s or
derivitive) drug existed I would find it hard to just say NO! nobody
uses drugs like that anymore - they would be too hard to get! Also if
Lone Star bring you in for something their going to be asking about the
chip jack you have in the side of you`re head! (I mean how many uses can
it have! - scum have no need for know-softs etc.). Sometimes I reckon
drugs
would just be quicker,cheaper and more convenient especially for kid
junkies who would have to think up of a very good explanation as to why
he a 15 year old school kid wants a chip-jack for christmas. And lets
face it, it is the kids who keep the drugs market going. (at least
nowdays).
Message no. 14
From: "Q (not from Star Trek)" <Scott.E.Meyer@*******.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:47:26 -0600
On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Sascha Pabst wrote:

> On 14 Nov 96 at 9:49, Marcos Adi wrote:
> [snip]
> > (chemical drug addiction isn't common in the
> > shadowrun world since sensachips can recreate any sensation a drug gives
> > with far less cost to produce and less negative physical effects on the user.
> > (yes the drug pushers do care - a dead/very sick addict can't
> > work/steal/other the nuyen to buy more drugs)
> Disagree. You'd have a jack for that, and they cost big time money (well - not
> for a Runner, but for Joe-on-the-street). And having to go to a surgeon before
> I can really try my first chip would lower the chance of trying (unless you
> already HAVE a jack).
>
> Chemical drugs will be common among all those who can't afford the 2Knuyen +
> surgeon costs, or those who are for some reasons (or another) not willing to
> have metal installed in them.
>
Ummmm....correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember hearing that you
don't require a datajack to use simsense.

-Q


---------------------------------------
Should "anal-retentive" be hyphenated?

Scott "Q" Meyer
Scott.E.Meyer@*******.edu
http://johnh.wheaton.edu/~smeyer
Message no. 15
From: Mike Elkins <MikeE@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs -Reply
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:35:37 -0500
>Chemical drugs will be common among all those who can't afford the 2Knuyen +
>surgeon costs, or those who are for some reasons (or another) not willing to
>have metal installed in them.

Yes, but electrode headsets are much cheaper. The rush is just less intense.
Strong enough to get you hooked, but after some time, not strong enough to feed
your need. Soon you're pinching pennies to become a wirehead...

Double-Domed Mike
Message no. 16
From: Faux Pas <fauxpas@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:19:44 -0600
At 09:47 AM 11/14/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Ummmm....correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember hearing that you
>don't require a datajack to use simsense.

From the Shadowbeat book, the Direct Chip Input version of BTL/Personafix
chips, the DCI is "a chip designed to be jacked directly into a datajack or
a chipjack. The microprocessor and data storage for the BTL are built into
the unit."

This implies that normal simsense chips require a simsense deck (with
microprocessor), the chip (the data storage), and a jack for input from the
deck, like a decker's cyberdeck. There's got to be some sort of interface
between the deck and the user, and it appears that either a datajack or a
chipjack can be used.

Aha! Over on page 98, a sense deck "can interface with the user through
standard datajacks or induction 'trodes. The signal through a 'trodeset is
diffused and less intense: a real simhead will get a jack implanted if he
can possibly afford it."

So, no, you don't have to use a datajack to use simsense, but most BTLers
and simsense junkies would have a datajack (and as datajacks are possibly
the most common cyber-implant around, most people are equipped for simsense).

-Thomas Deeny
the Cartoonist at large is on the web at www2.cy-net.net/~fauxpas

"I probably should put a new quote here."
-Me
Message no. 17
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:31:49 +0000
On 14 Nov 96 at 9:47, Q (not from Star Trek) wrote:
[snip chemical vs BTL drugs]
> Ummmm....correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember hearing that you
> don't require a datajack to use simsense.
I remember the same, but BTLs will need a much higher dataflow then normal
simsense. And I think the concept of the inducing net that is used for
simsense can't induce the peaks you need for BTL (what would be your "chip
drugs")

Sascha
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Message no. 18
From: Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs -Reply
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:31:49 +0000
On 14 Nov 96 at 10:35, Mike Elkins wrote:
> >Chemical drugs will be common among all those who can't afford the 2Knuyen +
> >surgeon costs, or those who are for some reasons (or another) not willing to
> >have metal installed in them.
>
> Yes, but electrode headsets are much cheaper. The rush is just less intense.
> Strong enough to get you hooked, but after some time, not strong enough to feed
> your need. Soon you're pinching pennies to become a wirehead...
You mean like the difference between smoking and injecting Heroin? Hm, might
be a possibility. Worth a thought...

But I still think (after a moment of thought) an inducing net couldn't
transmit the peaks on your senses that would be needed for BTL.

Sascha
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Message no. 19
From: Mamoulian <shadowrn@********.CYBERHIGHWAY.NET>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:17:05 -0700
At 01:41 PM 11/14/96 +0000, you wrote:
>On 14 Nov 96 at 9:49, Marcos Adi wrote:
>[snip]
>> (chemical drug addiction isn't common in the
>> shadowrun world since sensachips can recreate any sensation a drug gives
>> with far less cost to produce and less negative physical effects on the
user.>
>{Snip}<
Chemical Dependency is a Bio-Psycho-Social Disease (It effects the
body, mind, and social enviroment) Therefore the drugs are just a symptom of
the disease. If this wasn't true...you could just get the chippers off the
chips and the problem would be solved. So in looking at playing a
character who has an addiction...you need to look at the fact that they
would be "acting out" in several areas...not just there using of drugs or
alcohol. So having a data jack or not would not hinder someone in staying
in there use for a long period of time without it killing the player off.

"Mamoulian said as he realized he was on his soap box, and then climbed down"

:):):):):):):)

Mamoulian
Message no. 20
From: BulletShower <nmatausc@****.CIP.FAK14.UNI-MUENCHEN.DE>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:34:27 +1000
Michael Orion Jackson <orion@****.CC.UTEXAS.EDU>
asked:

> Do you mea what drugs am I the player taking or what drugs my character is
> taking?

If you wanna be honest, tell me both ;)

:)
BulletShower
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Message no. 21
From: BulletShower <nmatausc@****.CIP.FAK14.UNI-MUENCHEN.DE>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:37:22 +1000
Sascha Pabst <Sascha.Pabst@**********.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
aske me the other day:

> > just wondered how many of your runners out there are on drugs, and if so,
> > what drugs they're taking?
> Drugs?
> What Drugs are you refering to?
> Coffein, Alcohol, Nicotin? Hashish/Marihuana?
> Or the FASA-approved Combat drugs like Kamikaze?

I was referring to all kinds of drugs, including caffeine, booze,
smoke and shit.

:)
BulletShower
______________________________________________________________________
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Message no. 22
From: Timothy P Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:42:07 -0800
> >On 14 Nov 96 at 9:49, Marcos Adi wrote:
> >[snip]
> >> (chemical drug addiction isn't common in the
> >> shadowrun world since sensachips can recreate any sensation a drug gives
> >> with far less cost to produce and less negative physical effects on the
> user.>
[snip of Mamoulian's comment]

That is precisely the reason that BTL (ab)use is SO much more prevalent and
dangerous...no big purely physical effects.

No pain (at least physically) and All the gain.

-Tim
Message no. 23
From: Timothy P Cooper <tpcooper@***.CSUPOMONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR: Drugs
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:07:30 -0800
[snip]

> I was referring to all kinds of drugs, including caffeine, booze,
> smoke and shit.
>
> :)
> BulletShower

"I understand the first three, but even in the Underground we don't consider
that last one as a source of entertainment...I don't know about you city
fraggers..."
-MAXX the troll sized ork.

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