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Message no. 1
From: Archie Burks <Dragathor@***.COM>
Subject: SR/ED ties
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 1997 23:04:48 -0400
Has FASA released anything or plan to release anything concerning the ties of
Earthdawn to Shadowruns past? Our gaming group has come to the conclusion
that ED is the 3rd age whilr SR is the 6th age. It should follow as

1st: Creation of magic and all else
2nd: the age of Dragons,
3rd: the therans &
the first scourge
4th: The world of Earthdawn
5th: Our world: Midevil to Present day
6th: Shadowrun

Each world was classed by the rise and fall of magic, most likly there were
many Scourges, Which in the modulr Harliquenns Back He hints at the coming
evil and there are Shadows (a lesser horror that appears before the big
horrors appear)
in the module. Its enough to raise quite a few questions:
!) is SR magic a limited form of adept magic or is a new form alltogether,
maybe Psionics?
2) is BigD also the famed ED dragon?
3) just how old is Erhan the Scribe,
4) just when will all the elves in Tir start having thorns pop out of thier
skin ( didn't one of the SR books have illistration of a blood elf?)
5) when will Tir turn into a jungle full of wood spirts ( or has it allready
and we just don't know.) ?


Just some food for thought, Archie
Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:58:43 +0100
Archie Burks said on 23:04/ 5 Jul 97...

Spoilers for Horrors and other ED-related subjects!















> Has FASA released anything or plan to release anything concerning the
> ties of Earthdawn to Shadowruns past?

It's not likely that will ever happen, but there is a file with the links
between ED and SR somewhere on an ED site on the WWW.

> Our gaming group has come to the conclusion that ED is the 3rd age whilr
> SR is the 6th age. It should follow as
>
> 1st: Creation of magic and all else
> 2nd: the age of Dragons,
> 3rd: the therans &
> the first scourge
> 4th: The world of Earthdawn
> 5th: Our world: Midevil to Present day
> 6th: Shadowrun

You're on the right track, but not quite there yet. ED is the fourth
world, SR the sixth. Even-numbered worlds have mana levels high enough to
have magic exist in, odd-numbered worlds don't. Each world is
approximately 5200 years long, and since the sixth world started in 2011,
the fourth world ended around 3190 BC ED is set some time after the peak
in mana level in the fourth world, so subtract a little less than 2500
years from that and you get the conclusion that it's set around 5500 BC,
or about 7500 years ago.

> Each world was classed by the rise and fall of magic, most likly there
> were many Scourges, Which in the modulr Harliquenns Back He hints at the
> coming evil and there are Shadows (a lesser horror that appears before
> the big horrors appear)

The Horrors have a "window" of about 200 years IIRC on either side of the
peak in mana level in which they can reach the astral and physical planes
from their native metaplane. Because of the Great Ghost Dance there is a
really big spike in the mana level in one spot in North America (and
another one in Hawaii because of a similar ritual) where they can almost
cross. One Horror, Ysrtgratehrgwehwewjhwrhwssblahblahblah, has certainly
come through (see Worlds Without End), and possibly one or two others as
well.

BTW, I thought the Shadows are from B5, not SR? :)

> in the module. Its enough to raise quite a few questions:
> !) is SR magic a limited form of adept magic or is a new form alltogether,
> maybe Psionics?

SR magic is a different way of doing magic than in ED. ED spellcasters
weave threads to patterns, while SR magic is essentialy ED's raw
spellcasting, though in SR it's safer because astral space isn't polluted
by the Horrors yet.

> 2) is BigD also the famed ED dragon?

Most likely he's Mountainshadow, who has a "human agent" called Darktooth;
translate that name into German and you get ...
Exactly.

> 3) just how old is Erhan the Scribe,

I believe he's younger than Harlequin, but not by much. At any rate he's
thousands of years old, for ease say about 7000 like Harley.

> 4) just when will all the elves in Tir start having thorns pop out of thier
> skin ( didn't one of the SR books have illistration of a blood elf?)

Only a mention of a painting of one. Whether they will ever have thorns
grow or not is open to speculation, and one theory was that the Tir
Tairngire elves are heavy into genetic research because of this
possibility, but IIRC that was denied by Mike Mulvihill, the SR line
developer.

BTW, I think you should know that Mike doesn't like immortal elves, so
there won't be (m)any new books dealing with them.

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Message no. 3
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 13:29:40 +0100
|
|Has FASA released anything or plan to release anything concerning the ties of
|Earthdawn to Shadowruns past? Our gaming group has come to the conclusion
|that ED is the 3rd age whilr SR is the 6th age. It should follow as
|
|1st: Creation of magic and all else
|2nd: the age of Dragons,
|3rd: the therans &
| the first scourge
|4th: The world of Earthdawn
|5th: Our world: Midevil to Present day
|6th: Shadowrun

Slightly wrong....
1st. Null magic time remembered by story/writing???/racial memory
2nd. First Magic remembered by VERY long lived beings (or their ancestors)
3rd. Null Magic. CLose to the end of this time, a book was found from the
end of the 2nd world warning of the horrors. The book contained valuable info
of protecting onesself from the horrors. (And gave the people who found it a
LOT of power. These people were the Therans).
4th. Earthdawn. The therans sold their secrets in exchange for
slaves/obedience and the submission of Barsaive to their rule. Etc etc etc.
We don't know how it all ends apart from the fact that the magic eventually
fades into....
5th. Our world. No magic. Technology slowely starts to form, and then
increases exponentially until cyberware and the matrix are formed. Which
leads us to....
6th. Shadowrun....

I think that just about sums it up... Although the Therans MIGHT have found
the book at close to the beginning of the 4th world....

|Each world was classed by the rise and fall of magic,

Nope. The worlds alternate. Odd numbers are no magic. Even high magic.

most likly there were
|many Scourges, Which in the modulr Harliquenns Back He hints at the coming
|evil and there are Shadows (a lesser horror that appears before the big
|horrors appear)
|in the module. Its enough to raise quite a few questions:
| !) is SR magic a limited form of adept magic or is a new form alltogether,
|maybe Psionics?

Nope. It's very limited adept magic. Think about it.
A quickening viewed from astral resembles a thread. We just haven't figured
out how to weave them into REALLY powerful spells.... Yet.....

|2) is BigD also the famed ED dragon?

It is generally believed that D is (or was) Darktooth?

|3) just how old is Erhan the Scribe,

Oh, about the same age as -H- I'd imagine.... Maybe 6 or 7 thousand years
old.... Possibly a bit more...

|4) just when will all the elves in Tir start having thorns pop out of thier
|skin ( didn't one of the SR books have illistration of a blood elf?)

They won't. At least, none of them that aren't immortal will.
They haven't undergone the ritual of thorns after all....

|5) when will Tir turn into a jungle full of wood spirts ( or has it allready
|and we just don't know.) ?

I thought that was what Aztlan was for.....
:)
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Message no. 4
From: Kabael <kabael@****.NET>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:26:22 -0400
>1st. Null magic time remembered by story/writing???/racial memory
>2nd. First Magic remembered by VERY long lived beings (or their ancestors)
>3rd. Null Magic. CLose to the end of this time, a book was found from the
>end of the 2nd world warning of the horrors. The book contained valuable info
>of protecting onesself from the horrors. (And gave the people who found it a
>LOT of power. These people were the Therans).
>4th. Earthdawn. The therans sold their secrets in exchange for
>slaves/obedience and the submission of Barsaive to their rule. Etc etc etc.
>We don't know how it all ends apart from the fact that the magic eventually
>fades into....
>5th. Our world. No magic. Technology slowely starts to form, and then
>increases exponentially until cyberware and the matrix are formed. Which
>leads us to....
>6th. Shadowrun....
>
>I think that just about sums it up... Although the Therans MIGHT have found
>the book at close to the beginning of the 4th world....
>

works well, ever since I got Earthdawn, I wondered just what the sequence of
events was, and it ended up close to that. One question though...how can we
be sure that what we would call the 1st age was the first, maybe it was
merely the first recorded/remebered age, some might have become before.
Also, is each age the same for every planet in the universe or at least in
our solar system, does each rise and fall together, or is it only a
planetary phenomenon.

>| !) is SR magic a limited form of adept magic or is a new form alltogether,
>|maybe Psionics?
>
>Nope. It's very limited adept magic. Think about it.
>A quickening viewed from astral resembles a thread. We just haven't figured
>out how to weave them into REALLY powerful spells.... Yet.....
>

really! now that is interesting, but what does SR magic have drain, while ED
doesnt. Is that another step. Maybe Initiates become Adepts (ED style)
eventually, would other characters develop something akin to initiation,
imagine an Discipline for Decking, or a Street Samurai Adept (again, ED type : )

k a b a e l

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I say it is an it's true, there is a dream inside a
dream, I'm wide awake the more I sleep
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Message no. 5
From: VINDICATOR MINIGUN? I DROP PRONE <downsa@******.EDU>
Subject: sr/ed ties
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 18:39:16 EST
-4) just when will all the elves in Tir start having thorns pop out of thier
-skin ( didn't one of the SR books have illistration of a blood elf?)

actually, i _think_ only the elves of tir na nog, which is either the physical
location of the bloodwood or the metaphysical location, will sprout the thorns
when the mana gets high enough. i believe that tir tairngire is the
<meta>physical location of city of spires, and the elves that lived there (such
as harly) did not and will not sprout thorns.

to add a little genetics to the magic, i think only elves whose ancestors came
from the bloodwood will have the genes to sprout the thorns. therefore,
perhaps not just tir na nog elves will grow thorns, but elven mr. o'connor,
whose family has lived in boston for generations will also grow thorns. some
evidence to back this idea that bloodelf thorns are genetic, jenna from tir
tairngire, daughter of ol' queen alachia (of bloodwood fame) had a painting in
her house of her with thorns. apart from that small bit o' evidence, this is
just a theory.


Aaron
Message no. 6
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:49:25 +1000
> actually, i _think_ only the elves of tir na nog, which is either the physical
> location of the bloodwood or the metaphysical location, will sprout the thorns
> when the mana gets high enough. i believe that tir tairngire is the
> <meta>physical location of city of spires, and the elves that lived there (such
> as harly) did not and will not sprout thorns.

The official word from FASA's Mike Mulvilhill is that the thorn growth
was due to a ritual performed at the birth of the elf, and is in no way
genetic. Thus, unless someone starts doing the rituals again, no elves
in Shadowrun will start looking like bald rosebushes.

Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 7
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:03:56 -0400
Aaron once dared to write,
>some evidence to back this idea that blood elf thorns are genetic, jenna
>from tir tairngire, daughter of ol' queen alachia (of bloodwood fame) had a
>painting in her house of her with thorns. apart from that small bit o'
>evidence, this is just a theory.

No, the picture was of Queen Alachia. And because I don't recall
anyone ever stating it before, Hasn't anyone ever considered that the
Ritual of Thorns was undone? There would be no need to prevent any growth
of thorns then.


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Message no. 8
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:10:37 -0400
Kabael once dared to write,

>>Nope. It's very limited adept magic. Think about it.
>>A quickening viewed from astral resembles a thread. We just haven't figured
>>out how to weave them into REALLY powerful spells.... Yet.....
>>
>
>really! now that is interesting, but what does SR magic have drain, while ED
>doesnt. Is that another step. Maybe Initiates become Adepts (ED style)
>eventually, would other characters develop something akin to initiation,
>imagine an Discipline for Decking, or a Street Samurai Adept (again, ED
>type : )

What do you think Strain is? If you like, you can consider Thread
Weaving a centering skill. Now if you follow the guideline that practiced
continual shared belief shapes magic then to get the adepts you speak of
would take a tightly focused dedication followed over generations to
achieve. We have no worries of this coming to pass in the Shadowrun time
line we play in.


<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
I am MC23
Message no. 9
From: VINDICATOR MINIGUN? I DROP PRONE <downsa@******.EDU>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:14:13 EST
Aaron once dared to write,
>some evidence to back this idea that blood elf thorns are genetic, jenna
>from tir tairngire, daughter of ol' queen alachia (of bloodwood fame) had a
>painting in her house of her with thorns. apart from that small bit o'
>evidence, this is just a theory.


MC23 wrote:
- No, the picture was of Queen Alachia. And because I don't recall
-anyone ever stating it before, Hasn't anyone ever considered that the
-Ritual of Thorns was undone? There would be no need to prevent any growth
-of thorns then.

if i remember correctly, there's an ed sourcebook for the bloodwood and the
ritual of thorns is theoretically reversible. but alachia, in her pride, won't
reverse it because it will mean that she made a mistake in allowing it to be
cast. the blood wood itself puts forth a reason, somehow the ritual changed
the wood (not just the name change of wyrm to blood) and the wood's pattern.
changing it back would take great amounts of power.

Aaron
Message no. 10
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:21:21 -0400
Aaron once dared to write,

>if i remember correctly, there's an ed sourcebook for the bloodwood and the
>ritual of thorns is theoretically reversible. but alachia, in her pride,
>won't
>reverse it because it will mean that she made a mistake in allowing it to be
>cast. the blood wood itself puts forth a reason, somehow the ritual changed
>the wood (not just the name change of wyrm to blood) and the wood's pattern.
>changing it back would take great amounts of power.

The 4th world has ended in Shadowrun but not in Earthdawn. By this
I'm saying that what happened to the Blood Wood in the end has yet to be
revealed. Don't forget there is a living legend cult dedicated to undoing
the Ritual of Thorns. Maybe they succeed.


<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Ancient cultures believed that names held great power, personal names
more so and they were guarded very closely. To protect themselves, they
answered to another name, because if another discovered their real name,
it could be used against them.
History repeats itself.
Welcome to the Digital Age.
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Message no. 11
From: Court Schuett <schuett@*****.IVCC.EDU>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 00:20:48 -0500
>The official word from FASA's Mike Mulvilhill is that the thorn growth
>was due to a ritual performed at the birth of the elf, and is in no way
>genetic. Thus, unless someone starts doing the rituals again, no elves
>in Shadowrun will start looking like bald rosebushes.
>
>Lady Jestyr

What about IE though? Someone like Alachia would still have the thorns in
her, right, just not manifested so to speak.
?

-=Court

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Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:10:25 +0100
MC23 said on 0:10/ 7 Jul 97...

> What do you think Strain is? If you like, you can consider Thread
> Weaving a centering skill. Now if you follow the guideline that practiced
> continual shared belief shapes magic then to get the adepts you speak of
> would take a tightly focused dedication followed over generations to
> achieve. We have no worries of this coming to pass in the Shadowrun time
> line we play in.

But perhaps we can say to our grandchildren "I can remember when the only
magic you could use in SR was raw magic... What edition is out now anyway?
57th, 'Pink Book With Blue Spots And Yellow Stars'? Oh my, the game's come
a long way, hasn't it...?" :)

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Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:10:24 +0100
VINDICATOR MINIGUN? I DROP PR said on 18:39/ 6 Jul 97...

> actually, i _think_ only the elves of tir na nog, which is either the physical
> location of the bloodwood

I didn't know Ireland was in the Ukrain... :)

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Message no. 14
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:08:53 +0100
|works well, ever since I got Earthdawn, I wondered just what the sequence of
|events was, and it ended up close to that. One question though...how can we
|be sure that what we would call the 1st age was the first, maybe it was
|merely the first recorded/remebered age, some might have become before.

That's almost a certainty if you think about it. The "1st world" must have
been along the lines of 45000 years ago. The Earth is several Billion, and
life has been around in some form for about 300 to 500 million years (Give
or take a billion).

Magic MUST have cycled back then as well. Who knows, maybe the horrors
caused the extinction of the dinosaurs, and wiped out whatever civilisation
the 0th world was, hence, no-one remembered it......

|Also, is each age the same for every planet in the universe or at least in
|our solar system, does each rise and fall together, or is it only a
|planetary phenomenon.

It's genarally believed that there can be no magic without life, so there
should be no magic on the moon, for example.
Mars? Well, we might know soon... :)

|>| !) is SR magic a limited form of adept magic or is a new form alltogether,
|>|maybe Psionics?
|>
|>Nope. It's very limited adept magic. Think about it.
|>A quickening viewed from astral resembles a thread. We just haven't figured
|>out how to weave them into REALLY powerful spells.... Yet.....
|>
|
|really! now that is interesting, but what does SR magic have drain, while ED
|doesnt.

Earthdawn Magic is very subtle. In shadowrun, without threadweaving, they
use nothing but pure force casting raw magic.
(There's no need for spell matrices yet, because very few areas have
background counts of +5 (tainted enough to cause damage).
When the Horrors arrived in ED, the entire astral plane was tainted to some
extent, so matrices were essensial to filter the energy.

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Message no. 15
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:12:09 +0100
|
|-4) just when will all the elves in Tir start having thorns pop out of thier
|-skin ( didn't one of the SR books have illistration of a blood elf?)
|
|actually, i _think_ only the elves of tir na nog, which is either the physical
|location of the bloodwood or the metaphysical location, will sprout the thorns
|when the mana gets high enough.

Well, it's very doubtful if it's the PHYSICAL location, because Barsaive,
from the map, has been generally pinpointed around somewhere in eastern
europe. (Was the serpent the Danube? Can't remember....)

i believe that tir tairngire is the
|<meta>physical location of city of spires, and the elves that lived there (such
|as harly) did not and will not sprout thorns.
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Message no. 16
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:53:12 -0500
>Earthdawn Magic is very subtle. In shadowrun, without threadweaving, they
>use nothing but pure force casting raw magic.
>(There's no need for spell matrices yet, because very few areas have
>background counts of +5 (tainted enough to cause damage).
>When the Horrors arrived in ED, the entire astral plane was tainted to some
>extent, so matrices were essensial to filter the energy.
so, what would the background count be for the UCLA area?


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Message no. 17
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:07:19 +0100
|
|>Earthdawn Magic is very subtle. In shadowrun, without threadweaving, they
|>use nothing but pure force casting raw magic.
|>(There's no need for spell matrices yet, because very few areas have
|>background counts of +5 (tainted enough to cause damage).
|>When the Horrors arrived in ED, the entire astral plane was tainted to some
|>extent, so matrices were essensial to filter the energy.

|so, what would the background count be for the UCLA area?

Why? What's so special about UCLA????
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Message no. 18
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:07:04 -0500
At 07:07 PM 7/7/97 +0100, you wrote:
>|
>|>Earthdawn Magic is very subtle. In shadowrun, without threadweaving, they
>|>use nothing but pure force casting raw magic.
>|>(There's no need for spell matrices yet, because very few areas have
>|>background counts of +5 (tainted enough to cause damage).
>|>When the Horrors arrived in ED, the entire astral plane was tainted to some
>|>extent, so matrices were essensial to filter the energy.
>
>|so, what would the background count be for the UCLA area?
>
>Why? What's so special about UCLA????
I don't have my cal free book around, but there's some sort of screwy stuff
in place due to the "magical pranks" UCLA and (Berkley?) sorry, don't know
caliornia very well.

Using magic is very haphazard and unpredictable in that area.
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Message no. 19
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:17:41 +0100
|I don't have my cal free book around, but there's some sort of screwy stuff
|in place due to the "magical pranks" UCLA and (Berkley?) sorry, don't know
|caliornia very well.
|
|Using magic is very haphazard and unpredictable in that area.

Ahhhh...

I doubt it's got a damaging background count....
Not even the Nazi concentration camps have damaging ones....

The place where the ....

Ooops.... <Spoilers>





























That should be enough....

... bomb went off in Chi-town has a VERY high count, IIRC.....
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Message no. 20
From: Max Rible <slothman@*********.ORG>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:10:39 -0800
At 18:39 7/6/97 EST, VINDICATOR MINIGUN? I DROP PRONE wrote:
> i believe that tir tairngire is the
><meta>physical location of city of spires, and the elves that lived there
(such
>as harly) did not and will not sprout thorns.

The City of Spires was somewhere north of the Blood Wood, which is north of
the Black Sea in Eurasia. It *does* seem that Tir Tairngire has roots in
the Blood Wood, and Tir na nOg has roots in the elven culture from before
the Ritual of Thorns.

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Message no. 21
From: Kabael <kabael@****.NET>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:17:08 -0400
> The 4th world has ended in Shadowrun but not in Earthdawn. By this
>I'm saying that what happened to the Blood Wood in the end has yet to be
>revealed. Don't forget there is a living legend cult dedicated to undoing
>the Ritual of Thorns. Maybe they succeed.

noting that the 4th world has not ended as of Earthdawn reminds me of
something. After reading some mail last night about the horrors and the
Scourge, I found that the Scourge only occurs at the PEAK of the magic
cycle, although minor horros seep in before hand. I am sure that many of the
people who own ED already knew that, but I just rediscovered it : ).

As I was saying, since the Scourge occurs at the peak, SR is safe, at least
from the really big Horrors (ie Verjigorm), but the minor ones were noted to
preceed the Scourge by hundreds of years. The *shadows that fed on the
hatreds of men* were a main reason the the Therans believed the tales of the
Scourge and prepared. IMHO, toxic and insect spirits might be the minor
horrors, but are more likely to be the prelude to even them. Bigger threats
are hinted at in Awakenings and Cybertechnology (which has a conversation
that hints at events similar to the beginning of the Scourge). The Scourge
is coming, and that abstract knowledge is something that adds a little
flavor to the SR world, IMHO, as well as ED. As far as surviving goes, I
dont think that SR will suffer much more than ED did (other than a larger
number of people perishing, but only because of the higher population).
Follow the same tactics, hide away, and then crawl out to survive.

Also, there was discussion going around about some of the immortal
characters that would have survived since ED into SR, what about Mestoph the
Elven Nethermancer, he would be at the forefront of Initiate exploration in
SR. BTW, personally, I would LOVE to see nethermancy make an appearance into
SR : )

k a b a e l

meo nike a.d.i.d.a.s. reebok
My world is unaffected, there is an exit here
I say it is an it's true, there is a dream inside a
dream, I'm wide awake the more I sleep
-Marilyn Manson, Reflecting God

kabael@****.net
Message no. 22
From: Tim Cooper <z-i-m@****.COM>
Subject: Re: SR/ED ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:53:24 EDT
On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:07:04 -0500 Jaymz <justin@******.NET> writes:
>At 07:07 PM 7/7/97 +0100, you wrote:
>>Why? What's so special about UCLA????
>I don't have my cal free book around, but there's some sort of screwy
stuff
>in place due to the "magical pranks" UCLA and (Berkley?) sorry, don't
know
>caliornia very well.

I don't know about UCLA, but Berkley and the Santa Cruz areas would fit
that bill quite nicely.
>From the stories I've heard from friends who live there, it's quite an
"interesting" place.

>Using magic is very haphazard and unpredictable in that area.

~Tim
Message no. 23
From: "Bruce H. Nagel" <NAGELBH@******.ACS.MUOHIO.EDU>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:13:59 -0500
You wrote:
> Also, there was discussion going around about some of the immortal
> characters that would have survived since ED into SR, what about Mestoph the
> Elven Nethermancer, he would be at the forefront of Initiate exploration in
> SR. BTW, personally, I would LOVE to see nethermancy make an appearance into
> SR : )

Hmm, so Mestoph *didn't* actually die in that li'l story at the beginning of
the ED rulebook?

losthalo
Message no. 24
From: Kabael <kabael@****.NET>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:38:29 -0400
At 11:13 PM 7/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>You wrote:
>> Also, there was discussion going around about some of the immortal
>> characters that would have survived since ED into SR, what about Mestoph the
>> Elven Nethermancer, he would be at the forefront of Initiate exploration in
>> SR. BTW, personally, I would LOVE to see nethermancy make an appearance into
>> SR : )
>
>Hmm, so Mestoph *didn't* actually die in that li'l story at the beginning of
>the ED rulebook?
>
>losthalo
>
>

I have to say, the most horrible and embarassing things happen when you dont
read a rule book for months, and then skim through it so you can talk about
it on the list. oh, the shame!

damn

k a b a e l

meo nike a.d.i.d.a.s. reebok
My world is unaffected, there is an exit here
I say it is an it's true, there is a dream inside a
dream, I'm wide awake the more I sleep
-Marilyn Manson, Reflecting God

kabael@****.net
Message no. 25
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: sr/ed ties
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:15:33 +0100
|
|You wrote:
|> Also, there was discussion going around about some of the immortal
|> characters that would have survived since ED into SR, what about Mestoph the
|> Elven Nethermancer, he would be at the forefront of Initiate exploration in
|> SR. BTW, personally, I would LOVE to see nethermancy make an appearance into
|> SR : )
|
|Hmm, so Mestoph *didn't* actually die in that li'l story at the beginning of
|the ED rulebook?

Errrrrm....
In think he did..... There was only one survivor, wasn't there?
(Been a while since I read it.....)

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