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Message no. 1
From: "David Buehrer (by way of David Buehrer
Subject: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:01:00 -0700
I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
heard anything about this?

-David
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Message no. 2
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:50:41 +0100
David Buehrer (by way of Davi said on 0:01/ 1 Apr 98...

> I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
> heard anything about this?

That's the first time I've heard that, and I must say it sounds a bit
unlikely to me... It'd be a major overhaul of the entire system, and from
what we heard previously, SRIII isn't supposed to be that. A few years
ago, someone whose name I forgot did much what you described, translating
SR stuff into ED stats so the step system could be used with SR, but it
was quite a lot of work (I was involved in it, and still have the files on
my HD somewhere).

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Message no. 3
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:59:05 +0100
And verily, did David Buehrer hastily scribble thusly...
|
|I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
|heard anything about this?

Nope.
But I seriously doubt it.
Remember, they did say it was only going to be updates, clarifications, and
RBB2/VR2 rules inclusions...
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Message no. 4
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:37:17 -0500
Once upon a time, David Buehrer wrote;

>I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
>heard anything about this?

Are you trying to start a panic with nasty rumors like that?
Even with a shared background and rules philosophy the Earthdawn system
with made to work with concepts that are not part of Shadowrun. It short,
it would be a bad idea.

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Message no. 5
From: Caric <caric@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:41:58 -0800
> ---Gurth <gurth@******.NL> wrote:
> >
> > David Buehrer (by way of Davi said on 0:01/ 1 Apr 98...
> >
> > > I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
> > > heard anything about this?
> >
> > That's the first time I've heard that, and I must say it sounds a
bit
> > unlikely to me... It'd be a major overhaul of the entire system, and
> from
> > what we heard previously, SRIII isn't supposed to be that.
>
> Not only that, but FASAMike seemed to want to avoid not only
> alienating SRII players or even SRI players (Spike?) but wanted to
> avoid further ED - SR connections and while the system doesn't
> directly effect the universe in the minds of many people that kind of
> change would confirm that the two worlds are going to meet sometime in
> the future. Not to mention the facts gurth pointed out...it would be
> a huge collosal pain in the arse to convert everything. FASA seems
> more concerned about fixing major problems then changing things that
> aren't broken...IMHO the current skill/attribute system is one of the
> "not broken" things.
>
>
> Caric
> .sig is pouting in the corner

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Message no. 6
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:13:33 -0500
On 1 Apr 98 at 0:01, David Buehrer (by way of Davi wrote:

> I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
> heard anything about this?

Shame on you, David. Almost got me riled up for a second there. :)

(If anyone wants to know what I am talking about, check the date...)


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Message no. 7
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:27:11 -0500
Once upon a time, Drekhead wrote;

>On 1 Apr 98 at 0:01, David Buehrer (by way of Davi wrote:
>
>> I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
>> heard anything about this?
>
>Shame on you, David. Almost got me riled up for a second there. :)
>
>(If anyone wants to know what I am talking about, check the date...)

What, it's my older brother's birthday? Oh, now I know what you mean.

But what about the Munchikin addition?

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Message no. 8
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:42:34 -0500
On 1 Apr 98 at 12:27, MC23 wrote:

> But what about the Munchikin addition?

Huh? Sorry, but I think I missed something....

BTW, like the Goth Talk quote. I love that bit.

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Message no. 9
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:43:47 -0500
At 12:01 AM 4/1/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
>heard anything about this?

That would be more than a little odd; it would require, as others have
said, a major overhaul of at least the magic rules, if not the entire SR
system.

Which isn't what has been promised us. Updates and clarifications are
supposed to be the rule for SR3.

I don't know. I would have to guess a couple of people here might do some
playtesting, but I doubt their confidentiality agreements would allow them
to tell us anything...so I guess we'll have to wait until SR3 is released.

But as for how it might work...while I've bought some ED books and read
them, I still don't have a real firm grasp on the ED step system since I've
never actually played it yet. It would appear that the ED step system
allows for greater gradation of power levels (sort of like allowing someone
to have the SR equivalent of a skill rating 2.5 or something), which
generally would be a good thing. Every character sheet would now have to
include those step charts so you wouldn't have to look it up in the rule
book anymore.

Just for a moment let's assume that this rumor is true; what do you all
think about it?

Erik J.


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Message no. 10
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:59:00 -0500
Once upon a time, Erik Jameson wrote;

<snip everything else>
>Just for a moment let's assume that this rumor is true; what do you all
>think about it?

What do I think?

GOTCHA!

B>P#

It got me too. (that's what I get for reading my mail before my coffee)

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Message no. 11
From: The Vagabond <nomad74@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:26:18 PST
>David Buehrer (by way of Davi said on 0:01/ 1 Apr 98...
>
>> I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
>> heard anything about this?
>
>That's the first time I've heard that, and I must say it sounds a bit
>unlikely to me... It'd be a major overhaul of the entire system, and
from
>what we heard previously, SRIII isn't supposed to be that. A few years
>ago, someone whose name I forgot did much what you described,
translating
>SR stuff into ED stats so the step system could be used with SR, but it
>was quite a lot of work (I was involved in it, and still have the files
on
>my HD somewhere).

<Shatner>
I'm... forcedtoagreewithGurth.
</Shatner>

Seriously, though. I doubt this rumor is true. I've read many
articles by the writers(haven't we all?) in which they repeatedly say
that EarthDawn and Shadowrun are meant to be played as two entirely
different systems(that just happen to be in the same time-line).

-Vagabond <nomad74@*******.com> <ICQ 4297972>
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Message no. 12
From: Erik Jameson <erikj@****.COM>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:28:14 -0500
At 12:13 PM 4/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>On 1 Apr 98 at 0:01, David Buehrer (by way of Davi wrote:
>
>> I heard a rumor that SRIII will be using ED's step system. Anyone
>> heard anything about this?
>
>Shame on you, David. Almost got me riled up for a second there. :)
>
>(If anyone wants to know what I am talking about, check the date...)

Ah, man!

It's been so long since anyone has tried to pull an April Fool's on me that
the thought didn't even enter my cold & drug addled brain.

And I even sent private mail to David...MAN this has not been my
week...open mouth, insert *other* foot...

Grrrr...

And it sounds like from the initial response we would all hate it too...

I was thinking maybe I should just shut my mouth for the rest of the week,
but I think that would deprive the list of too much humor right now...

Erik J.


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Message no. 13
From: "Leszek Karlik, aka Mike" <trrkt@*****.ONET.PL>
Subject: Re: SRIII using ED Step System?
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:18:28 +0000
On 2 Apr 98, Carsten Gehling disseminated foul capitalist propaganda
by writing:

<snip>
> So to answer your question: IMHO it would be a step DOWN the
> evolution-ladder. Even though ED was made some years after SR, I
> think the rules are primitive compared to SR. The ED rules is for me
> what AD&D should have been, but never was.

Actually, IMNSHO the ED rules are great, they are tightly connected
to the setting and, unlike Shadowrun rules, they SCALE WELL!

None of this annoying "breaking up at high power levels" syndrome of
SR.

;>

Oh well. /me will go and seek some carp shelter now... Uh oh, here
comes the GridSec...

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