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Message no. 1
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: SR I question
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:56:18 -0500
How do you tell if a book is the first printing?

The game store here has a used copy of SR I and claims it to be first
printing and there doesn't seem to be any kind of print code in it.

How do you tell?

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Message no. 2
From: Josh Higham <jhigham@******.STUDENT.CWRU.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:14:41 -0400
On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Jaymz wrote:

> How do you tell if a book is the first printing?
>
> The game store here has a used copy of SR I and claims it to be first
> printing and there doesn't seem to be any kind of print code in it.
>
> How do you tell?

Usually look on the inside of the cover or first page, where they have
the copyright and printing info, there will be a list of printings:

First printing 1988
Second printing 1991
etc (those aren't the real numbers)

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Message no. 3
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 19:21:03 +0100
Jaymz said on 9:56/11 Jul 97...

> How do you tell if a book is the first printing?
>
> The game store here has a used copy of SR I and claims it to be first
> printing and there doesn't seem to be any kind of print code in it.
>
> How do you tell?

My SR1 book has something like "Corrected fifth printing" somewhere near
the copyright warning inside, so I guess that's a way to tell.

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Message no. 4
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 14:56:26 -0400
At 07:21 PM 7/11/97 +0100, Gurth wrote these timeless words:
>Jaymz said on 9:56/11 Jul 97...
>
>> How do you tell if a book is the first printing?
>>
>> The game store here has a used copy of SR I and claims it to be first
>> printing and there doesn't seem to be any kind of print code in it.
>>
>> How do you tell?
>
>My SR1 book has something like "Corrected fifth printing" somewhere near
>the copyright warning inside, so I guess that's a way to tell.
>
My recently acquired hardback 1st Edition (in mint condition...:)) says:

SHADOWRUN and MATRIX
are trademarks of teh FASA Corporation
Copyright (c) 1989 FASA Corporation. ALl Rights Reserved
Printed in the United States of America.

I believe that the 2nd editions have a later Copyright date and say 2nd
printung (or third, or fifth) and note that they have been corrected.
Also, all the first prnts were hardbacks...;]

Bull
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Message no. 5
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 13:16:46 -0600
At 14:56 7/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>> How do you tell?
>>
>>My SR1 book has something like "Corrected fifth printing" somewhere near
>>the copyright warning inside, so I guess that's a way to tell.
>>
>My recently acquired hardback 1st Edition (in mint condition...:)) says:
>
>SHADOWRUN and MATRIX
>are trademarks of teh FASA Corporation
>Copyright (c) 1989 FASA Corporation. ALl Rights Reserved
>Printed in the United States of America.

And mine tacks on a 'Corrected Second Printing' after that.
I believe the maps in the back cover were upside down in the first
printing, check for that :)

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Message no. 6
From: Swordman <swordman@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:58:22 -0500
Jaymz wrote:
> How do you tell if a book is the first printing?
Now are you talking first PRINTING or Publication.
For example, Shadowrun was copyrighted in 1989, but most of the SR books
that came out in October of that year were "Corrected Third Printing"
This can be found on the Credits page. (5th in the book).
Message no. 7
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 07:16:45 -0700
| > How do you tell if a book is the first printing?
| >
| > The game store here has a used copy of SR I and claims it to be first
| > printing and there doesn't seem to be any kind of print code in it.
| >
| > How do you tell?
|
| My SR1 book has something like "Corrected fifth printing" somewhere near
| the copyright warning inside, so I guess that's a way to tell.

So the advantage of getting the first printing is that you get ALL the
mistakes right? :)


-Caric

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Message no. 8
From: Damion Milliken <milko@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 05:25:28 +1000
Josh Higham writes:

> > The game store here has a used copy of SR I and claims it to be first
> > printing and there doesn't seem to be any kind of print code in it.
> >
> > How do you tell?
>
> Usually look on the inside of the cover or first page, where they have
> the copyright and printing info, there will be a list of printings:

Most often there will be no indication if the book is a 1st printing. It
will just say:

"Published by FASA Corporation
P.O. Box 6930 Chicago, Il 60680"

Instead of:

"Corrected 11th Printing
Published by FASA Corporation
P.O. Box 6930 Chicago, Il 60680"

This is usually found on the "Credits" page, which lists athe writers of the
book, just after the contents. Sometimes it can be found on the back of the
book, near the bar code and ISBN number.

PS: Greetings to all, I hear that 3rd Ed is in the works and suggestions are
requested? True? Any special place to send them, and any particular
requirements for submissions and suggestions?

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Message no. 9
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 12:32:24 +0100
Damion Milliken said on 5:25/13 Jul 97...

Finally read up on that backlog, eh? :)

> PS: Greetings to all, I hear that 3rd Ed is in the works and suggestions are
> requested? True? Any special place to send them, and any particular
> requirements for submissions and suggestions?

Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
of hand...

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Message no. 10
From: Damion Milliken <milko@***.EDU.AU>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 01:27:31 +1000
Gurth writes:

> Finally read up on that backlog, eh? :)

Unfortunately, no - I decided that lurking was boring (I was reading all
these cool threads that I wanted to post comments about, but couldn't since
they were from October last year... :-)).

> Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
> of hand...

I hope he's got a lot of time to collate all of the suggestions he'll get.
I've got some 30 points to bring up... Do people think it would be better
to:

a) Send such suggestions directly to Steve?
b) Post suggestions collated in one big message so that those who couldn't
care less can nuke them easily?
c) Post suggestions individually so that they can be discussed by the list?

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Message no. 11
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 17:57:30 -0600
At 01:27 7/14/97 +1000, you wrote:
>> Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
>> of hand...
>
>I hope he's got a lot of time to collate all of the suggestions he'll get.
>I've got some 30 points to bring up... Do people think it would be better
>to:
>
>a) Send such suggestions directly to Steve?
>b) Post suggestions collated in one big message so that those who couldn't
>care less can nuke them easily?
>c) Post suggestions individually so that they can be discussed by the list?

I sent mine right to Steve, because they were definite suggestions, not
ideas that needed discussion. If you want to get other opinions on them
too, then post them to the list, but then you're less likely to get Steve's
opinion, I think. And if you do post them, may as well post them as one
huge message.. better than 12 little ones :)

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Message no. 12
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:30:07 +0100
Damion Milliken said on 1:27/14 Jul 97...

> Unfortunately, no - I decided that lurking was boring (I was reading all
> these cool threads that I wanted to post comments about, but couldn't since
> they were from October last year... :-)).

I know what you mean, when I read through saved posts of a year or so ago
I sometimes have the same urge :)

> I hope he's got a lot of time to collate all of the suggestions he'll get.
> I've got some 30 points to bring up... Do people think it would be better
> to:
>
> a) Send such suggestions directly to Steve?

That way none of us will get to comment on them...

> b) Post suggestions collated in one big message so that those who couldn't
> care less can nuke them easily?
> c) Post suggestions individually so that they can be discussed by the list?

How about a combination of b and c? Put 5 or 10 suggestions in one
message, so it doesn't get too big, but there aren't 30 post either?

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Message no. 13
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:10:05 -0700
Gurth wrote:

> > PS: Greetings to all, I hear that 3rd Ed is in the works and suggestions are
> > requested? True? Any special place to send them, and any particular
> > requirements for submissions and suggestions?
>
> Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
> of hand...

<shocked indignation>

Us? Totally out of hand?!?!?!

I am shocked and dismayed that you would accuse of that Gurth.

</shocked indignation>

BFG

Caric
Message no. 14
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR I question
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:14:34 -0700
Damion Milliken wrote:
>
> Gurth writes:
>
> > Finally read up on that backlog, eh? :)
>
> Unfortunately, no - I decided that lurking was boring (I was reading all
> these cool threads that I wanted to post comments about, but couldn't since
> they were from October last year... :-)).
>
> > Steve Kenson asked for ideas on the list, which naturally got totally out
> > of hand...
>
> I hope he's got a lot of time to collate all of the suggestions he'll get.
> I've got some 30 points to bring up... Do people think it would be better
> to:
>
> a) Send such suggestions directly to Steve?
> b) Post suggestions collated in one big message so that those who couldn't
> care less can nuke them easily?
> c) Post suggestions individually so that they can be discussed by the list?

I for one would like to get some discussion going on them, I think that
Steve asked us for that very reason, he knew that we would tear it all
appart and rebuild fourteen different ways. We may not all agree on
anything, but Steve can get a rough idea how a majority feels as well as
feedback and ideas from people who at least marginally know what the
hell they are talking about. (In regards to SR at least :)

Caric

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