| From: | "Mark Steedman" <rsms@***.rgu.ac.uk> |
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| Subject: | SR magic and space |
| Date: | Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:40:38 GMT |
> > Why not? Hey for all I know (which is very little), space could be where the
> > Enemy/Horros come from.
> >
> This is all beginning to sound rather similar to the Near Umbra/Deep
> Umbra of WWGS' Mage:
> to go into teh deep umbra he needs more knowledge so
> as to fully isolate himself from the menaces and "vacuum" that exists
> there having then left the Gaiasphere (the mana limits of Earth):
>
> Could something similar be the state for SR mages -to go astral beyong
> teh atmosphere requiring a greater level of both Sorcery and Conjuring
> and perhaps some particular spell?
>
well i finally found the relevant posting
This shads more light on SR and magic in space, and is the other
source i refered to in my last reply.
[as its been posted before being trimmed]
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From: "Andrew W. Ragland"
Subject: Space Initiation
THis is pursuant to a conversation i had with Paul Hume on GEnie
a couple years back. Basically, he said that if you initiated up
high enough, you could try something drastic. this could be
interesting, not neccessairly for doing it but for insights on how
things work.
Ever read any Neitzsche? If you stare into the void long enough,
the void stares back. Or rather, what's in the void stares back.
WHich is what freaks out most mages, and why your character ends up
in a rubber room if he blows the roll. There's Horrors out there in
the void, waiting for the mana field to rise sufficiently on Earth
that they can make a landing. THink of the mana field as water, and
the border between the Gaiasphere and the void as a canal lock. The
water level inside is too low right now for the gates to open, but
a clever person could portage their boat around the lock if it's
small enough.
That's basically what you're doing when you initiate in the Void.
Oh, did I mention that the final initiation has to be done IN
SPACE? That's really important. You go out there and you do an
initiation and you either learn how to portage your boat around the
locks or you fall in and drown.
And you don't have to use a Golden Dawn/Tree of Life system. THat
was what Paul was most familiar with to use as an analogy. He said
that any system would do, as long as it was quantized discretely
and worked toward the same basic goal, that of abandoning a fixed
mindset. A Child of the Abyss uses worldviews the way the rest of
us use tools. They pick up and discard belief systems as befits
their goals of the moment. So a SHaman couldn't do this, only a
Mage. Shamans are restricted to their totem. Mages don't have
totems, and thus can change belief systems without fragging up
their magic. And you have to initiate to at least 12th rank before
you can even think about doing this thing. This is what I remember
of the conversation. I have it on diskette, but have no idea which
of my 27 diskettes of GEnie transcripts it's on. I may eventually
get around to finding the original conversation, but don't count on
it.
Andrew W. Ragland
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Any chance you could have a really good look for the origonal
transcript of that Genie conversation Andrew? though obviously we
cannot expect you to manually search 27 disks one might hope you can
find a good enough search program.
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To those thinking of messing about with this just try adding up how
much 12th grade initate costs sometime, its over 200 absolute minimum
but so high i have gotten round to it.
Mark
