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Message no. 1
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:29:37 +1000
After seeing Ronin last night -- Wow! What a movie! -- I was reinspired to
get the SR Movies list up-to-date, so I thought I'd give it a free plug
here. (Hell, if it's alright for Ereskanti and Fenris, it's alright for
me!) It's been reorganised and updated - I still have a few movies to add
to it, but there are 76 there already. So pop on over, check it out, and
submit anything appropriate that comes to mind.

The _new_ URL for it is:

http://shadowrun.html.com/uol/srmovies/

(Please update any referring links, too.)

Cheers,

Lady Jestyr

"A true beanie should have a propellor on the top." -- Terry Pratchett
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Message no. 2
From: Scott Wheelock iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:27:52 -0400
"And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Lady Jestyr."
]After seeing Ronin last night -- Wow! What a movie! -- I was reinspired to
]get the SR Movies list up-to-date, so I thought I'd give it a free plug
]here.
]Lady Jestyr

I've always liked that list, ma'am, just to let you know. But I can't
believe you haven't seen Bladerunner! Wow...get out yer movie
card, and rent it! It's so COOL!
Also, a movie that wasn't there was Killing Zoe. I didn't like this
film. I thought it was bad, bad, worse. But it perfectly outlines
what occurs when a group is dramatically unprofessional, and goes
into the run with a half-assed plan.
Also, The Killer (by John Woo, not the other crappy one). A bit
over the top, as Woo is wont to be, but it also gives insight into
another often overlooked aspect of the violent world of shadow-
running: consequences, morality, and responsibility.

Anyway, that's my two cents (or picks). Do with them what ye
will.

Scott
-----------------------------------------------------
"Fragile, timid, with natural good manners,
he was, however, better suited for war than
for government."
_One Hundred Years Of Solitude_
Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Message no. 3
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 99 10:22:17 -0500
Once upon a time, Scott Wheelock wrote;

> I've always liked that list, ma'am, just to let you know. But I can't
>believe you haven't seen Bladerunner! Wow...get out yer movie
>card, and rent it! It's so COOL!

Depends on what version you come across.

DEATH to the Director's cut!

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

"I have never been this angry in my entire life.
...
Hey, I feel great. I enjoy being angry!"
-Ren Hoek, Ren & Stimpy

I am MC23
Message no. 4
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:26:07 -0500
Scott Wheelock wrote:
> ]After seeing Ronin last night -- Wow! What a movie! -- I was reinspired
> to
> ]get the SR Movies list up-to-date, so I thought I'd give it a free plug
> ]here.
> ]Lady Jestyr
>
> I've always liked that list, ma'am, just to let you know. But I can't
> believe you haven't seen Bladerunner! Wow...get out yer movie
> card, and rent it! It's so COOL!
>
Eh - it's not bad. It's a bit...disjointed for my tastes. They've
got the setting down pat, the characters have real potential, but
the story seems a bit rushed.

> Also, The Killer (by John Woo, not the other crappy one). A bit
> over the top, as Woo is wont to be, but it also gives insight into
> another often overlooked aspect of the violent world of shadow-
> running: consequences, morality, and responsibility.
>
Ah. The Killer is awesome. This film is definitely worth the time
and money - the style may not be to everyone's tastes, but the story
has substance. You've got to love the last scene or two... :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 5
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:11:32 -0700 (MST)
For the mere cost of a Thaum, MC23 wrote:
/
/ DEATH to the Director's cut! <of Bladerunner>

Oh, I don't know. I for one like the Director's Cut. I also like the
original too :)

The Director's Cut had a nice surealistic attitude. Of course, if you're
not fond of surealism, I can understand why you didn't like it. To each
his own.

-David B.
--
"Earn what you have been given."
--
email: dbuehrer@******.carl.org
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
Message no. 6
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:19:12 -0600
From: Lady Jestyr
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 1:30 AM

>The _new_ URL for it is:
>
> http://shadowrun.html.com/uol/srmovies/
>
>(Please update any referring links, too.)

I like the way you have the James Bond series starring James Bond, George
Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan. While I tend to
agree with the sentiment (though Brosnan's Bond, especially in TOMORROW
NEVER DIES, is pretty damn cool), I think listing it as starring Sean
Connery, et al, would be more appropriate.

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 7
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:25:28 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Patrick Goodman hastily scribble thusly...
|I like the way you have the James Bond series starring James Bond, George
|Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan. While I tend to
|agree with the sentiment (though Brosnan's Bond, especially in TOMORROW
|NEVER DIES, is pretty damn cool), I think listing it as starring Sean
|Connery, et al, would be more appropriate.

What? He missed out Sean Connery????

What heresy is this? All should know that Connery is the one, true Bond!
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Message no. 8
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:33:37 -0500
Patrick Goodman wrote:
> From: Lady Jestyr
> >The _new_ URL for it is:
> >
> > http://shadowrun.html.com/uol/srmovies/
>
> I like the way you have the James Bond series starring James Bond, George
> Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan. While I tend to
> agree with the sentiment (though Brosnan's Bond, especially in TOMORROW
> NEVER DIES, is pretty damn cool), I think listing it as starring Sean
> Connery, et al, would be more appropriate.
>
*jaw drops*

Excuse me while I load the page to confirm...

*bonk*

LJ - how could you *possibly* remember George Lazenby and forget
Sean Connery? I'm dumbfounded...

(I approve of the quantity of anime listed, however. You left out
8 Man After, though. ;-) )

James Ojaste
Message no. 9
From: Ojaste,James [NCR] James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:35:44 -0500
A Halliwell wrote:
> |I like the way you have the James Bond series starring James Bond, George
> |Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan. While I tend
> to
> |agree with the sentiment (though Brosnan's Bond, especially in TOMORROW
> |NEVER DIES, is pretty damn cool), I think listing it as starring Sean
> |Connery, et al, would be more appropriate.
>
> What? He missed out Sean Connery????
>
> What heresy is this? All should know that Connery is the one, true Bond!
>
For now - but Brosnan's catching up quickly... I can't believe they
even let Timothy Dalton sit on the casting couch. That was a dark
day...

Oh, and in case you missed the appellation, *Lady* Jestyr is a *she*.
;-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 10
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:39:35 -0600
From: A Halliwell
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:25 AM

>|I like the way you have the James Bond series starring James Bond,
>|George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan.
>
>What? He missed out Sean Connery????

Not per se; she did list him as James Bond.

I'll not get into a debate on the relative merits of each Bond actor,
though.

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 11
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:39:34 -0600
From: MC23
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 9:22 AM

>>But I can't believe you haven't seen Bladerunner! Wow...get
>>out yer movie card, and rent it! It's so COOL!
>
> Depends on what version you come across.
>
>DEATH to the Director's cut!

Truly? I rather prefer the director's cut, to be honest with you...much
truer to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" than the original, from my
POV, though I'd love to see a proper movie adaptation of that story.

What sets you against it?

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 12
From: Tim Kerby drekhead@***.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:42:3 -0500
At 2/10/99 4:25:00 PM, you wrote:

>And verily, did Patrick Goodman hastily scribble thusly...
>|I like the way you have the James Bond series starring James Bond, George
>|Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan. While I tend to
>|agree with the sentiment (though Brosnan's Bond, especially in TOMORROW
>|NEVER DIES, is pretty damn cool), I think listing it as starring Sean
>|Connery, et al, would be more appropriate.
>
>What? He missed out Sean Connery????

She Spike. It's Lady J's list.

>What heresy is this? All should know that Connery is the one, true Bond!

No, no. You missed the rub, Spike. She listed him -as- James Bond, because
well, he is. The others are pale facsimiles.

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Message no. 13
From: Tim Kerby drekhead@***.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:51:14 -0500
At 2/10/99 10:39:00 AM, you wrote:
>
>Truly? I rather prefer the director's cut, to be honest with you...much
>truer to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" than the original, from my
>POV, though I'd love to see a proper movie adaptation of that story.

I would agree. Like David said, it is most surrealistic, which was the whole
point, really.

>What sets you against it?

I would be curious as well.

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Message no. 14
From: A Halliwell u5a77@*****.cs.keele.ac.uk
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:53:39 +0000 (GMT)
And verily, did Ojaste,James [NCR] hastily scribble thusly...
|For now - but Brosnan's catching up quickly... I can't believe they
|even let Timothy Dalton sit on the casting couch. That was a dark
|day...
|
|Oh, and in case you missed the appellation, *Lady* Jestyr is a *she*.
|;-)

Oh come on... How long have I been on this list?
I know THAT!
My intro is just auto-inserted by ELM though, and it doesn't do auto-gender
detection...

:)

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Message no. 15
From: Frank Pelletier (Trinity) fpelletier@******.usherb.ca
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:12:47 -0500
Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net> once wrote,

>Truly? I rather prefer the director's cut, to be honest with you...much
>truer to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" than the original, from my
>POV, though I'd love to see a proper movie adaptation of that story.
>
>What sets you against it?
>

The lack of a narrative, for one.

I think that's what made the movie so real, and made you believe in
Harrison's character. You got to hear what he was thinking (Hey, and I like
that :) ). And, he explained a lot of thing that many people would not
understand otherwise...

The Director's Cut removed all that, and I know certain people who saw it
before they saw the original, and said "This movie is fucked up... ". I
dunno... the Director's Cut lost that touch that made BR special, and the
ending is WAY too philosophical for me...

Anyways, it's still good, mind you. If you haven't seen it, you're missing
out on the definite vision for what Shadowrun should be (I mean, come on,
the main Tyrell Corp building has Renraku Arcology written all over it, or
should that be the opposite? :) )

Trinity
---------------------------------------------
Frank Pelletier
fpelletier@******.usherb.ca

"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" -M. Gandhi

Trinity on the Undernet and EFNet
Message no. 16
From: XaOs [David Goth] xaos@*****.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:24:21 -0600
> I would agree. Like David said, it is most surrealistic, which
> was the whole
> point, really.

Yeah, then we could see 'cool' things like lead codpieces. Maybe one of the
later Batman directors could provide.

-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
-David Goth-
Message no. 17
From: Mike Loseke mike@*******.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:34:29 -0700 (MST)
Thus spake Frank Pelletier:
>
> Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net> once wrote,
>
> >Truly? I rather prefer the director's cut, to be honest with you...much
> >truer to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" than the original, from
my
> >POV, though I'd love to see a proper movie adaptation of that story.
> >
> >What sets you against it?
> >
>
> The lack of a narrative, for one.

Forced on the theatrical release because the movie execs didn't understand
it.

> I think that's what made the movie so real, and made you believe in
> Harrison's character. You got to hear what he was thinking (Hey, and I like
> that :) ). And, he explained a lot of thing that many people would not
> understand otherwise...
>
> The Director's Cut removed all that, and I know certain people who saw it
> before they saw the original, and said "This movie is fucked up... ". I
> dunno... the Director's Cut lost that touch that made BR special, and the
> ending is WAY too philosophical for me...

I like the director's cut because you actually learn that Deckard is a
replicant too, whereas they don't really touch on it in the theatrical
release. It is very surrealistic, like 2001, but then I like Pink Floyd
too. :-) It makes you think more.

--
Mike Loseke | kernel, n.: A part of an operating system
mike@*******.com | that preserves the medieval traditions of
| sorcery and black art.
Message no. 18
From: Shaun E. Gilroy shaung@**********.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:08:00 -0500
At 11:34 AM 2/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Thus spake Frank Pelletier:
[snip BladeRunner]
>> I think that's what made the movie so real, and made you believe in
>> Harrison's character. You got to hear what he was thinking (Hey, and I
like
>> that :) ). And, he explained a lot of thing that many people would not
>> understand otherwise...
>>
>> The Director's Cut removed all that, and I know certain people who saw it
>> before they saw the original, and said "This movie is fucked up... ".
I
>> dunno... the Director's Cut lost that touch that made BR special, and the
>> ending is WAY too philosophical for me...
>
> I like the director's cut because you actually learn that Deckard is a
>replicant too, whereas they don't really touch on it in the theatrical
>release. It is very surrealistic, like 2001, but then I like Pink Floyd
>too. :-) It makes you think more.

Look, they don't say he's a replicant, they -imply- that he's a replicant.
Whoever wrote the blurb on the back of the jacket says that the unicorn
dream means that he's a replicant.

Doesn't mean he -is- doesn't mean he -isn't-. It means he might be. It
means: "believe what you want this to mean."

I've Read a lot of PKD and I, personally don't believe Deckard to be a
replicant (that is if the movie was attempting to live up to "Philip K.
Dick's vision").

*noysh turns to go back into the temple of kipple-worship*

Anyway, I like the Director's Cut version, it allows the near-future
dystopian flavor permeate the movie a lot better, which is the kind of
thing that led me into Shadowrun in the first place.

>--
> Mike Loseke | kernel, n.: A part of an operating system
> mike@*******.com | that preserves the medieval traditions of
> | sorcery and black art.

~noysh (who is -not- a replicant!)


Shaun Gilroy [shaung@**********.net]
Online Technologies Corp.
Message no. 19
From: Barbie LeVile barbie@********.de
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:10:33 +0100
Patrick Goodman wrote:
>

> Truly? I rather prefer the director's cut, to be honest with you...much
> truer to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" than the original, from my
> POV, though I'd love to see a proper movie adaptation of that story.
>
> What sets you against it?

I MUCH prefere the original version, since it fells through the naration
much deeper, the dcut just feels flat, its missing the deep of the
original
to me. the

-- Barbie
"I'm Pentium of Borg. Precision is irrelevant.
You will be aproximated."
Message no. 20
From: MC23 mc23@**********.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 99 14:40:00 -0500
Once upon a time, Patrick Goodman wrote;

>>DEATH to the Director's cut!
>
>Truly? I rather prefer the director's cut, to be honest with you...much
>truer to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" than the original, from my
>POV, though I'd love to see a proper movie adaptation of that story.
>
>What sets you against it?

I really enjoy the Detective Noir of the voiceover. For me it isn't
just part of the story but more a part of atmosphere of the movie. The
director's cut didn't earn my animostity for leaving out the voice over,
it earned it for completely replacing the original so that you have
access to it. The person who made that decision has earned a special
place in Hell.
I stand firm, Death to the Dircetor's Cut!

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

"Say what you mean, and say it mean!"
-Scraping Foetus off the Wheel, Ramrod

I am MC23
Message no. 21
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:51:27 +1000
>*jaw drops*
>
>Excuse me while I load the page to confirm...
>
>*bonk*
>
>LJ - how could you *possibly* remember George Lazenby and forget
>Sean Connery? I'm dumbfounded...

Urp. Must have been a brain fart - something happened between my brain and
my fingers. I'm something of a Bondophile, so Heaven knows, I _should_ be
able to type the man's name.

It's fixed now. :-)

>(I approve of the quantity of anime listed, however. You left out
>8 Man After, though. ;-) )

Well, submit it! That goes for all of you who think I've left a good movie
out - submit it! :-)

Lady Jestyr

"A true beanie should have a propellor on the top." -- Terry Pratchett
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Message no. 22
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:47:20 +1000
>>The _new_ URL for it is:
>>
>> http://shadowrun.html.com/uol/srmovies/
>>
>>(Please update any referring links, too.)
>
>I like the way you have the James Bond series starring James Bond, George
>Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan. While I tend to
>agree with the sentiment (though Brosnan's Bond, especially in TOMORROW
>NEVER DIES, is pretty damn cool), I think listing it as starring Sean
>Connery, et al, would be more appropriate.

Now now... <g> I for one think Pierce Brosnan does as good a job at Bond as
Connery ever did. (The rest were pretty forgettable, though I do feel sorry
for George Lazenby.)

Lady Jestyr

"A true beanie should have a propellor on the top." -- Terry Pratchett
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Message no. 23
From: Marc Renouf renouf@********.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:31:32 -0500 (EST)
On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Lady Jestyr wrote:

> Well, submit it! That goes for all of you who think I've left a good movie
> out - submit it! :-)

Yeah, I tried. And your script bombed, leading me to say, "Doh!"
and move on.

Marc
Message no. 24
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:39:53 -0500
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At 10:22 AM 2/10/99 -0500, MC23 wrote:
>Once upon a time, Scott Wheelock wrote;
>
>> I've always liked that list, ma'am, just to let you know. But I
can't
>>believe you haven't seen Bladerunner! Wow...get out yer movie
>>card, and rent it! It's so COOL!
>
> Depends on what version you come across.
>
>DEATH to the Director's cut!

You actually _like_ the constant narration and the cheerful hollywood
ending of the theatrical release?!? Bleh. Actually though, if it's
your first time seeing Blade Runner, the theatrical release version is
better than the Director's Cut version.

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Message no. 25
From: Paul Gettle RunnerPaul@*****.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:51:40 -0500
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At 04:25 PM 2/10/99 +0000, A Halliwell wrote:
>And verily, did Patrick Goodman hastily scribble thusly...
>|I like the way you have the James Bond series starring James Bond,
George
>|Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan. While I
tend to
>|agree with the sentiment (though Brosnan's Bond, especially in
TOMORROW
>|NEVER DIES, is pretty damn cool), I think listing it as starring
Sean
>|Connery, et al, would be more appropriate.
>
>What? He missed out Sean Connery????
>
>What heresy is this? All should know that Connery is the one, true
Bond!

Um, no. No one has missed out on Sean Connery. Look at the list of who
stars as James Bond:
James Bond
George Lazenby
Roger Moore
Timothy Dalton
Pierce Brosnan

Now look closely at the first name on the list. :)

(I suppose the movie Casino Royale has been omitted from consideration
for the sake of clarity, as _everyone_ who starred in that movie
played James Bond.)

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Message no. 26
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:43:01 -0600
From: Lady Jestyr
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 2:47 PM

>>I like the way you have the James Bond series starring James Bond,
>>George Lazenby, Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan.
>>While I tend to agree with the sentiment (though Brosnan's Bond,
>>especially in TOMORROW NEVER DIES, is pretty damn cool), I think
>>listing it as starring Sean Connery, et al, would be more appropriate.
>
>Now now... <g>

Hey, I was nice....

>I for one think Pierce Brosnan does as good a job at Bond as
>Connery ever did.

I think he nailed it in TND; I wasn't quite as convinced by GOLDENEYE, but
TOMORROW NEVER DIES just plain rocked. I loved the scene in the back seat
of the BMW....

>(The rest were pretty forgettable, though I do feel sorry
>for George Lazenby.)

Moore starred in probably the second-best of the series, though (FOR YOUR
EYES ONLY); I tended not to like most of his films, though, because I could
never get THE SAINT out of my head. And I liked Dalton's Bond (very close
to the books), but he had regrettable scripts. Lazenby had potential if
he'd not been so harshly treated by the media and the fans.

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Message no. 27
From: Mark C. Farrington alareth@*****.dwebs.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:34:32 -0500
>After seeing Ronin last night -- Wow! What a movie! -- I was reinspired to
>get the SR Movies list up-to-date, so I thought I'd give it a free plug
>here. (Hell, if it's alright for Ereskanti and Fenris, it's alright for
>me!) It's been reorganised and updated - I still have a few movies to add
>to it, but there are 76 there already. So pop on over, check it out, and
>submit anything appropriate that comes to mind.
>
>The _new_ URL for it is:
>
> http://shadowrun.html.com/uol/srmovies/

I just saw Payback with Mel Gibson and I say it's definitely a valid entry
on the SR movie list. Mel's character is what a quick thinking street level
runner should aspire to be.

Lord Alareth Faltrix
Acolyte of the First Church of the Squooshy Ball
Investigator - Shadowrun Webring Internal Affairs
Message no. 28
From: Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:55:05 -0600
From: Mark C. Farrington
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 7:35 PM

>I just saw Payback with Mel Gibson and I say it's definitely a valid
>entry on the SR movie list. Mel's character is what a quick thinking
>street level runner should aspire to be.

THE NEGOTIATOR. Runners should plan so well the things Samuel Jackson pulls
off on the fly.

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Message no. 29
From: Dave Post caelric@****.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:00:53 -0800
At 08:55 PM 2/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
>From: Mark C. Farrington
>Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 7:35 PM
>
>>I just saw Payback with Mel Gibson and I say it's definitely a valid
>>entry on the SR movie list. Mel's character is what a quick thinking
>>street level runner should aspire to be.
>
>THE NEGOTIATOR. Runners should plan so well the things Samuel Jackson pulls
>off on the fly.
>
>--
>(>) Texas 2-Step
> El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.


Yes, outstanding......Samuel L. Jackson is great!

dave
Message no. 30
From: Wordman wordman@*******.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:18:43 -0500
MC23 said:
> I really enjoy the Detective Noir of the voiceover. For me it isn't
> just part of the story but more a part of atmosphere of the movie.

I actually laughed out loud at the cheesiness of the voice-over. Combined
with the plot changes, I found the director's cut much more understandable.
It also seemed like the messianic stuff was way more effective the
director's cut, but that may be because I was a bit older when I saw it.

Wordman
Message no. 31
From: David Buehrer dbuehrer@******.carl.org
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:53:12 -0700 (MST)
For the mere cost of a Thaum, Paul Gettle wrote:
/
/ Actually though, if it's
/ your first time seeing Blade Runner, the theatrical release version is
/ better than the Director's Cut version.

Thanks to Lady J. we have a chance to test that hypothosis.

Lady J., when you see Blade Runner watch the Director's Cut first, then
the original theatrical release and tell us what you think.

-David B.
--
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Message no. 32
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:52:31 +1000
>> Well, submit it! That goes for all of you who think I've left a good movie
>> out - submit it! :-)
>
> Yeah, I tried. And your script bombed, leading me to say, "Doh!"
>and move on.

Which is why there's A) a message on the page saying the script might not
work so please email me the suggestion if it doesn't, and B) a request for
help debugging the script. Just moving on really isn't very helpful!

Lady Jestyr

"A true beanie should have a propellor on the top." -- Terry Pratchett
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Message no. 33
From: Lady Jestyr jestyr@*******.com.au
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:52:18 +1000
>/ Actually though, if it's
>/ your first time seeing Blade Runner, the theatrical release version is
>/ better than the Director's Cut version.
>
>Thanks to Lady J. we have a chance to test that hypothosis.
>
>Lady J., when you see Blade Runner watch the Director's Cut first, then
>the original theatrical release and tell us what you think.

Yessir, Mr. David, sir! :-)

Lady Jestyr

"A true beanie should have a propellor on the top." -- Terry Pratchett
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Message no. 34
From: Marc Renouf renouf@********.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:18:09 -0500 (EST)
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Lady Jestyr wrote:

> Which is why there's A) a message on the page saying the script might not
> work so please email me the suggestion if it doesn't, and B) a request for
> help debugging the script. Just moving on really isn't very helpful!

What can I say, I'm the product of an instant gratification
society. ;) That and I was at work at the time...
If you want help debugging the script, drop me a line via private
e-mail. I do some of the e-commerce stuff for the company I work for, so
I have a fair amount of scripting stuff for form submission you might find
useful.

Marc
Message no. 35
From: Stuart M. Willis hbiki@****.geocities.com
Subject: SR Movies List
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:27:07 +1100
>Once upon a time, Patrick Goodman wrote;
>
>>>DEATH to the Director's cut!
>>
>>Truly? I rather prefer the director's cut, to be honest with you...much
>>truer to "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" than the original, from
my
>>POV, though I'd love to see a proper movie adaptation of that story.
>>
>>What sets you against it?
>
> I really enjoy the Detective Noir of the voiceover.

As far as I'm concerned Voice Overs suck, and are best avoided. They show a
distinct lack of a) writing ability [you should be able to describe the
events or imply them in the actual story rather than say 'oh this and that
happened and thiws and that too' and b) faith in the intelligence of the
audience to figure out what has happened.

> The
>director's cut didn't earn my animostity for leaving out the voice over,
>it earned it for completely replacing the original so that you have
>access to it.
>The person who made that decision has earned a special place in Hell.

You mean like Ridley Scott, the guy who is fucking responsible for the movie?

> I stand firm, Death to the Dircetor's Cut!

Bah, its much better. Deal with it.

Anyway, the following is snipped from the Bladerunner.faq concerning the
voice over:

6. I DON'T LIKE THE VOICE-OVERS/ENDING.

Ridley Scott made BR in a style called "film noir". Film noir is a
"hardboiled detective" style of story-telling. Perhaps the most famous
example is the Humphrey Bogart movie "The Maltese Falcon" (directed by John
Huston). A trademark of film noir is the voice-overs by the detective,
explaining what he is thinking/doing at the time.

Ridley Scott filmed BR *without* the voice-overs, but due to its poor
reception at a sneak previews, the studio insisted that the voice-overs be
added. Ridley Scott said in an interview on American television that in film
noir, voice-overs sometimes work, and sometimes don't, and they didn't work
in BR.

"(A)n extensive voice-over was added to help people relate to Harrison Ford's
character and make following the plot easier. (A)fter a draft by novelist-
screenwriter Darryl Ponicsan was discarded, a TV veteran named Roland Kibbee
got the job. As finally written, the voice-over met with universal scorn
from the filmmakers, mostly for what Scott characterized as its 'Irving the
Explainer' quality.... It sounded so tinny and ersatz that, in a curious bit
of film folklore, many members of the team believe to this day that Harrison
Ford, consciously or not, did an uninspired reading of it in the hopes it
wouldn't be used. And when co-writers Fancher and Peoples, now friends, saw
it together, they were so afraid the other had written it that they refrained
from any negative comments until months later." [Source: Los Angeles Times
Magazine, September 13, 1992.]

The ending of the film was also changed by the studio. Scott wanted to end
the film with Deckard and Rachael getting into the elevator, but the studio
decided that the film needed a happier, less ambiguous ending. The aerial
shots used in the 1982 theatrical release were outtakes from Stanley Kubrik's
"The Shining" (which, coincidentally, featured Joe Turkel).

In September 1992, Warner Bros. released "The Director's Cut" of Blade Runner
(BRDC), which eliminated the voice-overs and the happy ending.


:-)

s.

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