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Message no. 1
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:28:42 -0400
One Ronin wrote:
>
> Incidently, my most favorite Shadowrun-esque movie is "The
> Replacement Killers". Here you have a couple of runners (Chow Yun Fat
> and Mira Sorvino) who are pursued by both the cops and a chinese crime
> boss (possibly Triad?) and have to deal with their mistrust of one
> another because they are both criminals....in a sense of the word.
> Excellent John Woo movie and Shadowrun inspiration.

I see what you mean. I wasn't thinking of it that way at the time, but
you're right.

Personally, my all-time favorite for Shadowrunnish movies is _The Usual
Suspects_. This movie's got EVERYTHING.. The runners with fake SINs, the
double-crossing Johnson, the Lofwyr-like scheming, Lone Star on their
tails.. Even the failed "friend-of-a-friend" roll from the SR Companion.
>8-> (Redfoot, the fixer who gave 'em bad information.)

Not to mention it's a damn good movie. I've watched it four times and I
still catch things I've missed. After that, _Heat_ and _The Game_ both
have SR elements I like.


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 2
From: Drew Curtis <dcurtis@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:34:09 -0400
On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Steve Eley wrote:

> Not to mention it's a damn good movie. I've watched it four times and I
> still catch things I've missed. After that, _Heat_ and _The Game_ both
> have SR elements I like.
>
Predator II was pretty close also. You've got a typical shadowrun group,
two warring gangs, the implication that one of them is based in magic, and
then there's the predator running around. It's set in a cyberpunkish
future too. I personally rate it higher than the original movie.

Drew Curtis, President, Digital Crescent, Incorporated
http://www.dcr.net (502) 226 3376 Internet and Software Design services.
Offering dial-up Access from Frankfort to Louisville and all points between.
Message no. 3
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:31:29 -0400
> > Not to mention it's a damn good movie. I've watched it four times
> and I
> > still catch things I've missed. After that, _Heat_ and _The Game_
> both
> > have SR elements I like.
> >
> Predator II was pretty close also. You've got a typical shadowrun
> group,
> two warring gangs, the implication that one of them is based in magic,
> and
> then there's the predator running around. It's set in a cyberpunkish
> future too. I personally rate it higher than the original movie.
>
Never really thought of it in terms of SR but it does
fit. I just thought it was a kick ass movie. I also agree that it is
better than the first one.

"Dere's no killin' what can't be killed. No stoppin'
what can't be stopped. Ya never see de eyes of de demon 'till him come
callin'."
- King Willie, Head of the Jamacian Voodoo Posse
Message no. 4
From: Shaun Gilroy <shaung@**********.NET>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 14:44:20 -0400
At 02:31 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
>> then there's the predator running around. It's set in a cyberpunkish
>> future too. I personally rate it higher than the original movie.
>>

Anybody ever seen "Strange Days"? I'd give that one the Shadow-movie
award. SimSense and everyting but magic/cyberware (its set 1999 magic
didn't return that early :). A little intense (few movies will make me
sweat for the main characters like that one did).



(>)noysh the spoonë bard
-> jack of all trades, master of none. <-
Message no. 5
From: bryan.covington@****.COM
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:42:08 -0400
> >> then there's the predator running around. It's set in a
> cyberpunkish
> >> future too. I personally rate it higher than the original movie.
> >>
>
> Anybody ever seen "Strange Days"? I'd give that one the Shadow-movie
> award. SimSense and everyting but magic/cyberware (its set 1999 magic
> didn't return that early :). A little intense (few movies will make
> me
> sweat for the main characters like that one did).
>
Oh definitely. Awesome movie. A sleeper though. Not much
play in theaters. Certainly worth the rental. Wasn't this based on a
story by Gibson? If not they sure pulled off his style well.
Speaking of Gibson, "Johnny Mnemonic", while not a
terribly good movie, was VERY Shadowrun. You even get a look at a
fingertip compartment monowhip. But then this has been discussed before.

Incidentally my last read of Neuromancer was the first
time since I saw JM. I never noticed that he was Molly's main squeeze
before Neuromancer is set. Kinda neat. (Please don't bash me for not
having noticed this or for not having read JM before the movie. Just
deal. :)
Message no. 6
From: Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 02:49:05 -0500
> Anybody ever seen "Strange Days"? I'd give that one the Shadow-movie
> award. SimSense and everyting but magic/cyberware (its set 1999 magic
> didn't return that early :). A little intense (few movies will make me
> sweat for the main characters like that one did).
>
> Behalf Of Shaun Gilroy
>
I loved the "Rigger Chick" in that movie, and thought she would make a great
Shadowrun character. But over all it was not very good.

Mike
Message no. 7
From: Michael Coleman <mscoleman@********.NET>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:22:26 -0500
Incidentally my last read of Neuromancer was the first
> time since I saw JM. I never noticed that he was Molly's main squeeze
> before Neuromancer is set. Kinda neat. (Please don't bash me for not
> having noticed this or for not having read JM before the movie. Just
> deal. :)

Actually I think she was called Sally in the movie. In the original story
in "Burning Chrome" it was Molly, the character from "Neuromancer".
"Burning Chrome" was published after "Neuromancer". In my opinion the
story
was way better than the movie.

Mike
Message no. 8
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 19:29:19 +1000
> Incidentally my last read of Neuromancer was the first
>> time since I saw JM. I never noticed that he was Molly's main squeeze
>> before Neuromancer is set. Kinda neat. (Please don't bash me for not
>> having noticed this or for not having read JM before the movie. Just
>> deal. :)
>
>Actually I think she was called Sally in the movie. In the original story
>in "Burning Chrome" it was Molly, the character from
"Neuromancer".
>"Burning Chrome" was published after "Neuromancer". In my opinion
the story
>was way better than the movie.

In the movie the equivalent character was actually called 'Jane'. And she
was actually nothing like Molly - far less competent, and much more of a
newbie. Molly was scarily good; Jane was just competent, and much less
experienced.

IMHO.

Lady Jestyr

- Eagles may soar, but turkeys don't get sucked into jet engines. -
jestyr@*******.com.au URL: http://www.geocities.com/~jestyr
Message no. 9
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@******.CARL.ORG>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 08:02:28 -0600
While doing the Fandango, Michael Coleman wrote:
/
/ > Anybody ever seen "Strange Days"? I'd give that one the Shadow-movie
/ > award. SimSense and everyting but magic/cyberware (its set 1999 magic
/ > didn't return that early :). A little intense (few movies will make me
/ > sweat for the main characters like that one did).
/ >
/ > Behalf Of Shaun Gilroy
/
/ I loved the "Rigger Chick" in that movie, and thought she would make a great
/ Shadowrun character. But over all it was not very good.

Hmm. I liked Strange Days a lot. On the other hand, I actually
managed to somewhat enjoy The Avengers <shrug> :)

-David
--
"Earn what you have been given."
--
email: dbuehrer@******.carl.org
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1068/homepage.htm
Message no. 10
From: Steve Eley <sfeley@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:44:12 -0400
Michael Coleman wrote:
>
> Actually I think she was called Sally in the movie. In the original story
> in "Burning Chrome" it was Molly, the character from
"Neuromancer".
> "Burning Chrome" was published after "Neuromancer". In my
opinion the story
> was way better than the movie.

The anthology was published after _Neuromancer_, yes, but the story
"Johnny Mnemonic" itself (and hence the character Molly) came before.

Personally, I really liked the movie. It was fun, and had some neat
special effects scenes. Saw it twice in the theaters; my friends didn't
like it as much, but I think they had higher expectations than I did to
start with. >8->


Have Fun,
- Steve Eley
sfeley@***.net
Message no. 11
From: "XaOs [David Goth]" <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 02:15:06 -0500
> I loved the "Rigger Chick" in that movie, and thought she would
> make a great
> Shadowrun character. But over all it was not very good.

I agree. That particular Arquette gets on my nerves, and is particularly
unattractive in this one.

But! This does remind me of a cyber/horror movie that has some SR thematic
elements in it. "Circuitry Man" (it had a sequel too, but I haven't seen
it). The main character (Plughead?) could jack into vehicles and run them.
I'm kinda curious where they got the idea for that concept....


-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
-David Goth-
Message no. 12
From: Joshua Mumme <grimlakin@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 03:03:52 -0500
<SNIP>
>But! This does remind me of a cyber/horror movie that has some SR thematic
>elements in it. "Circuitry Man" (it had a sequel too, but I haven't seen
>it). The main character (Plughead?) could jack into vehicles and run them.
>I'm kinda curious where they got the idea for that concept....


<Best Shadowrun Movie with a wide viewing in the American audience? AKIRA
by far. Remember the Rigged bike with they guy rideing sitting cross
legged with arms folded. And it has that certin flair of the supernatural
though not as much as SR.

>
> -XaOs-
>xaos@*****.net
> -David Goth-


Grimlakin
Message no. 13
From: "Davidson, Chris" <Christopher.Davidson@***.BOEING.COM>
Subject: Re: SR Movies (was Re: 'Ronin' and 'Urban Legends')
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:07:15 -0700
> But! This does remind me of a cyber/horror movie that has some SR
> thematic
> elements in it. "Circuitry Man" (it had a sequel too, but I haven't
> seen
> it). The main character (Plughead?) could jack into vehicles and run
> them.
> I'm kinda curious where they got the idea for that concept....
>
Don't bother with the sequal...it was bad. That synthetic human could
plug into vehicles too...he did it on the rice rocket towards the end of
the movie.

-=Toffer=-

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