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Message no. 1
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:05:21 -0400
> From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
> Date: Monday, July 21, 1997 6:37 PM

> I know this thread has been covered many times before, so replies can go
> by private email...

That wouldn't be any fun... :)

> What movies would everyone recommend for Shadowrun? And what's
> "Shadowrunny" (ew!) about them?

STRANGE DAYS is a good precurser to Shadowrun. It gives you a feel for the
world at the turn of the century and the tension that is growing. It also
covers simsense and gives a solid view of corruption within the police,
drug/simsense pushing, the underground world of music and clubs, and many
other things that capture the true flavor of the Shadowrun universe. This
is my favorite Shadowrun-type movie. (Primarily because it captures the
feel of the universe better than any other movie I have seen, IMO, and
because Angela Bassett kicks 31 flavors of ass....) :)

SNEAKERS is based around a corporate infiltration that can easily be viewed
as a Shadowrun, but it lacks the atmosphere of the Shadowrun universe (it's
set in the present day). It's a good movie for watching a run from start
to finish and what takes place throughout.

BLADE RUNNER ....well, need I say more? This is THE classic movie for this
genre.

JOHHNY NUEMONIC (sp?) covers some of the feel for the universe, as well as
some of the hardware involved (cyberwear). The movie is sometimes reviewed
as cheesy, and I am inclined to agree to a point. However, I believe some
things are very well done. For example: they show a day in the life of a
street doc, they explore the use of a monofiliment whip (even though it
glows), and (most importantly) they discuss how being too wired (reflex
enhanced) can get you a bad reputation on the streets. Take the movie with
a grain of salt, but I would still recommend renting it.

That's all that come to mind at the moment.

Enjoy :)

> Lady Jestyr

Justin :)
Message no. 2
From: Denzil Kruse <dkruse@***.AZ05.BULL.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:25:00 MST
> What movies would everyone recommend for Shadowrun? And what's
> "Shadowrunny" (ew!) about them?

Mission: Impossible, obviously. I especially liked Tom Cruise's sleight of
hand with the CD. I also liked the idea of the disavowed list, and Tom
going to recruit them.

Heat: This movie, with Robert Dinero, Al Pacino, and Val Kilmer, didn't look
very good at first, but when I watched it, I thought it was great. These
guys struck me as a very professional team and I enjoyed seeing them work
together. Course, they didn't have much conscience about killing people who
got in their way, but it was interesting seeing them operate. I really
hated the ending. It just didn't seem right - I think Hollywood just
doesn't like to make movies where the criminals get away with it.

Congo: This movie pretty much sucked, but I did like the beginning part
where they are trying to make it to their jungle destination. Dealing with
funding for the trip, negotiating with small country governments, and border
running and hiring mercenary guides.

The Professional: The old-hit-man-trying-to-quit story, but this one was
really good. Starring Jean Reno, the evil helicopter pilot from Mission:
Impossible.

Disorganized Crime: I don't think this movie did very well at the box
office, but I loved it. A criminal (Corbin Bernson) goes to a small town in
Montana and decides to hit the bank. He sends letters out to a bunch of
specialists: car driver/stealer (Lou Diamond Philips), a bank vault opener,
a security/demolitionist (Fred Gywne), and a weapons specialist. But, two
cops from Newark (Ed O'Neil) capture Corbin Bernson right after he mails the
letters, so the rest show up and don't know what to do. Meanwhile, Corbin
escapes, and wanders the countryside, with the Newark cops bumbling after
him. The criminals also bumble around trying to raise money to get one of
them (an alcoholic) out of jail for drunk driving. Corbin was the leader,
and without any leadership these guys argued all the time. It was a really
funny movie, and fun to see these criminals ply their trade.

Denzil Kruse
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Message no. 3
From: Gregory Deych <gdeych@********.ATT.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:31:15 -0700
Justin Pinnow wrote:
>
> > From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
> > Date: Monday, July 21, 1997 6:37 PM

>
> > What movies would everyone recommend for Shadowrun? And what's
> > "Shadowrunny" (ew!) about them?
>

I always thought that "HEAT" was quite SR-like.
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Message no. 4
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:30:16 -0400
Greetings!!!

I strongely suggest "The Usual Suspects". Very shadowish, without the tech.

The scene where the team is assembled reminded me of how I put my team
together.

Trust me, you'll love it.

-Bandit
Message no. 5
From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 04:01:39 +0000
Hmmm...

> The Professional: The old-hit-man-trying-to-quit story, but this one was
> really good. Starring Jean Reno, the evil helicopter pilot from Mission:
> Impossible.

Ahh... Leon... Actually, the evil helicopter pilot in Mission:
Impossible is the Leon professional, not the other way 'round (IMHO
The Professional was much better than M:I. It's a cult movie for some
of my pals...).

Also, while we're talking about Jean Reno, another Shadowrunnish
movie would be "Nikita" (there's an US remake, called "Nina", but
it's just a lousy ripoff, and without Jean Reno to boot). I realy
recommend it (and there's Victor the Cleaner, the prototype for Leon,
played by - you guessed it - Jean Reno).


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Message no. 6
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:28:58 -0400
> From: Mike (Leszek Karlik) <trrkt@******.COM>
> Date: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 12:01 AM

> Also, while we're talking about Jean Reno, another Shadowrunnish
> movie would be "Nikita" (there's an US remake, called "Nina", but
> it's just a lousy ripoff, and without Jean Reno to boot). I realy
> recommend it (and there's Victor the Cleaner, the prototype for Leon,
> played by - you guessed it - Jean Reno).

The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No Return",
and
it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,
there is a series on the USA network on Monday nights at 10pm (Eastern
Standard Time) entitled "La Femme Nikita", starring Peta Wilson in the role
of Nikita. The series has Nikita being more geared to the moralistic side
of things, but that poses many interesting situations for her.

"La Femme Nikita" in any of its forms is good viewing for Shadowrun, IMO.

> Mike (Leszek Karlik) - trrkt@******.com;
http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike

Justin :)
Message no. 7
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:48:34 -0700
Justin Pinnow wrote:
> > Also, while we're talking about Jean Reno, another Shadowrunnish
> > movie would be "Nikita" (there's an US remake, called
"Nina", but
> > it's just a lousy ripoff, and without Jean Reno to boot). I realy
> > recommend it (and there's Victor the Cleaner, the prototype for Leon,
> > played by - you guessed it - Jean Reno).
>
> The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No
Return", and
> it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
> actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,
> there is a series on the USA network on Monday nights at 10pm (Eastern
> Standard Time) entitled "La Femme Nikita", starring Peta Wilson in the role
> of Nikita. The series has Nikita being more geared to the moralistic side
> of things, but that poses many interesting situations for her.
>
> "La Femme Nikita" in any of its forms is good viewing for Shadowrun, IMO.

I agree "La Femme Nikita," is great...hmmmm maybe i'll make a "Bob"
contact. Anyway as far as "Point of No Return," it was an amazingly
close remake anf I enjoyed it. I expected it to be much more
"americanized" then it was. Basically I would say that they are close
enough to decide on just whether or not you wanted subtitles...unless of
course you speak french.

Caric
Message no. 8
From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 13:55:13 +1000
>
> The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No
Return", and
> it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
> actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,

Hmmm... I thought it was called "The Assassin"? That's certainly what
it's titled in Australia.


Lady Jestyr

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Message no. 9
From: Duncan McNeill-Burton <Dreadnaut1@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:13:19 -0400
How about Sneakers, with Robert Redford, Dan Akroyd, and River Phoenix.

The story of a bunch of people paid to break into corp facilites to test
security who stumble onto a government plot and end up having to do a real
B&E job to save their skins.

Plus, it's got lots of fun ideas, like the Mantraps, or turning up the heat
to throw off the thermo sensors...

Later-

Duncan
Message no. 10
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:15:25 -0500
At 01:55 PM 7/22/97 +1000, you wrote:
The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No Return",
and
#> it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
#> actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,
#
#Hmmm... I thought it was called "The Assassin"? That's certainly what
#it's titled in Australia.
#

don't you LOVE the way movies are titled something else in Australia?
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Message no. 11
From: "Mike (Leszek Karlik)" <trrkt@******.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 06:34:42 +0000
> From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>

> The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No
Return", and
> it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I

Doh. When it run here, it was entitled "Nina.". Oh well, so much for
the faithful translation and stuff (I saw it when I was still free
from my current hobby - flaming all the translations I see...
Especially when I am with somebody in the cinema... So I did not
notice the fact that the title was totally different from the
original.)

> actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,

Actually, I did like the remake. (I saw it _before_ "La Femme
Nikita") Still, it's a lousy ripoff (call it remake if you will, I
know my part. <grin>).

Mike (Leszek Karlik): http://www.wlkp.top.pl/~bear/mike/index.htm
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Message no. 12
From: Bull <chaos@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:31:35 -0400
At 01:55 PM 7/22/97 +1000, Lady Jestyr wrote these timeless words:
>>
>> The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No
Return", and
>> it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
>> actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,
>
>Hmmm... I thought it was called "The Assassin"? That's certainly what
>it's titled in Australia.
>
Nope... the remake of Le Femme Nikita was called Point of No Return here
in the States, and was a pretty good flick. In fact, I have a copy of it
on tape here somewhere...:]

Though with the way the names of movies in Australias get changed, it's no
surprise it might have been called something different. The only thing
even remotely similar I can think of to "The Assasin" (as far as titles
go) was "Assasins", with Sylvestor Stallone and Antonio Banderas...

Bull
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Message no. 13
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:07:31 +0100
Lady Jestyr said on 13:55/22 Jul 97...

> > The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No
Return", and
> > it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
> > actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,
>
> Hmmm... I thought it was called "The Assassin"? That's certainly what
> it's titled in Australia.

This is another one of those movies that have different titles in
different countries. "La Femme Nikita" was called just "Nikita" over
here,
while "The Professional" was "Leon," and there are more examples.
"Mobsters" is one of the best examples: in some countries it's
"Mobsters,"
in others "The Evil Empire," and in still others it's "Mobsters: The Evil
Empire"...

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Message no. 14
From: Caun Haskins <caun@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 05:09:29 -0600
OK just thought I'd add another one to hte list I just got finnished
watching Free Jack, w/ Emilio Estivez, Mick Jaggar, Antony Hopikins, and
Rene Russo (HOT Alert). well you need to check it out, got lots on
Corps and Corp Secur. I especialy like the corp aam that's with Estivez
for a while, check out his Katana! well go see it!

Caun :}
Message no. 15
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:46:57 +0100
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From: Lady Jestyr <jestyr@*******.DIALIX.COM.AU>
To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET <SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET>
Date: 22 July 1997 05:56
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)



>>
>> The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No
Return", and
>> it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
>> actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done. Also,
>
>Hmmm... I thought it was called "The Assassin"? That's certainly what
>it's titled in Australia.

That's what it was called here in the UK as well. Personally I preferred
the French original, it was darker, better thought out, and it was possible
to feel sorry for the girl caught in the government trap, Hollywood, in
their usual style glitzed it all and lost a massive amount of the emotional
content, but then the Yanks seem to prefer films with action and no story,
so...

Just take a look at Aliens, and then ask yourselves why the Directors Cut
hasn't been released in the US yet. It's got a storyline... <grin>

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Message no. 16
From: "Fisher, Victor" <Victor-Fisher@******.COM>
Subject: SR-Type Movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:48:42 -0400
Before the American remake of 'La Femme Nikita' was made, a Hong
Kong version was produced called 'Black Cat'. It was a bit more faithful
to the original french movie, but, as with all Hong Kong actioners, had
much more gunplay and explosions [whoohoo!]. And there's one or two
additional twists.
A sequel was spawned, called aptly 'Black Cat 2'. This one deviated
a bit from the first, but is still worth seeing as there's actually a
bit of protocyberware enhancement involved, making her much more
dangerous than before [she'd started to develop a bit too much free will
in the first movie :-].
I'd rank the movies in order of quality:

La Femme Nikita
Black Cat
Black Cat 2
Point of No Return

I leave La Femme Nikita, The Series out of it, as it's an excellent
series on its own, and has been renewed for a second season.

Kohl
Message no. 17
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:25:54 +0000
On 22 Jul 97 at 12:46, Avenger wrote:

> Just take a look at Aliens, and then ask yourselves why the Directors Cut
> hasn't been released in the US yet. It's got a storyline... <grin>

Haven't seen that yet... but I always grab director's cuts of movies
I'm interested in, because they are always better. Blade Runner and
Highlander are good examples..

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Message no. 18
From: Caun Haskins <caun@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:33:15 -0600
WOW you got a director's of Highlander! which on? where? how much? and
how can I get one!?

Caun :}
Message no. 19
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:56:06 +0100
|Haven't seen that yet... but I always grab director's cuts of movies
|I'm interested in, because they are always better. Blade Runner and
|Highlander are good examples..

Highlander the directors cut???????

There IS one???

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Message no. 20
From: "Faux Pas (Thomas)" <thomas@*******.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:08:12 -0500
At 03:56 PM 7/22/97 +0100, Spike whispered:
>|Haven't seen that yet... but I always grab director's cuts of movies
>|I'm interested in, because they are always better. Blade Runner and
>|Highlander are good examples..
>
>Highlander the directors cut???????
>
>There IS one???

Been available in the US for at least a few months now. There's a
widescreen version that includes the WW2 scene (not shown in US theatrical
release), followed by the original trailer, followed by about twenty
minutes of the directors and producers talking about shooting different
scenes while the scenes discussed play on the screen. $10 or $15 at Target.



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Message no. 21
From: Mike Loseke <mike@******.VERINET.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:10:25 -0600
Quoth Avenger:
>
> Just take a look at Aliens, and then ask yourselves why the Directors Cut
> hasn't been released in the US yet. It's got a storyline... <grin>

What are you talking about? The directors cut of Aliens has been in the US
for quite some time. It's the one where it starts out on LV-24 with Newt
and her family, correct? It also has the smart guns chattering away and
Ripley finding out her daughter just died of old age.

While we're talking about James Cameron, the directors cut of The Abyss
could qualify as SR material as well. You actually find out why the sub
is down there.

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Message no. 22
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:14:47 -0500
> |Haven't seen that yet... but I always grab director's cuts of
> |movies I'm interested in, because they are always better.
> |Blade Runner and Highlander are good examples..
>
> Highlander the directors cut???????
>
> There IS one???

Yes Spike, there is a Santa Claus.

The director's cut of the film adds about 20 minutes to the American release
and about 5 minutes to the European release. It also has the original theatre
trailer and a voice interview with the director and the producers of the film
about various scenes from it. I got mine on the first day it was out...
promptly wore it out and bought another one... wore it down... bought a third
and a forth on the same day, and those are still in good shape.

In case you couldn't figure, I recommend the thing...
Message no. 23
From: Michael Broadwater <mbroadwa@*******.GLENAYRE.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:18:59 -0500
At 09:33 AM 7/21/97 -0600, Caun Haskins wrote:
>WOW you got a director's of Highlander! which on? where? how much? and
>how can I get one!?
>

Chill out Caun. Take some valium or something. There are directors cuts
for both one and 2 (and if any idiot starts that stupid "only 1 Hl movie"
jihad again...)


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Message no. 24
From: Caun Haskins <caun@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:21:41 -0600
there in the Abys? what was it I thought It was just so they could make
a movie about iit :) so spoil it for me why were they down there?

Caun :}
Message no. 25
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:21:43 +0100
|The director's cut of the film adds about 20 minutes to the American release
|and about 5 minutes to the European release.

They cut 15 MINUTES off the american release that the ROTW got to see????

That really is pitifull.....

I wonder what the extra 5 minutes is....

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Message no. 26
From: Mike Loseke <mike@******.VERINET.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 09:28:14 -0600
Quoth Caun Haskins:
>
> there in the Abys? what was it I thought It was just so they could make
> a movie about iit :) so spoil it for me why were they down there?

It's been a few years since I've seen it last, but the sub is a US boomer
that is doing something sneaky against the russians (or somebody) that
encounters one or two of the abyss dwellers. Electrical havok ensues
and they crash down there. The ending is much better though, but I won't
spoil that for everyone without some spoiler space...






SPOILER SPACE!





















The end of the movie involves the abyss dwellers sending a 700' tidal
wave at some populated coast line, halting it in midair and dissapating it
without hurting anyone, letting the world know who's got the power. There
are a few other cool scenes in it as well.


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Message no. 27
From: Justin Pinnow <vanyel@*******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:48:26 -0400
> From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
> To: SHADOWRN@********.ITRIBE.NET
> Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
> Date: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 7:46 AM

> >> The US remake of "La Femme Nikita" was entitled "Point of No
Return",
and
> >> it starred Bridget Fonda in the role of Nikita. Unlike most folks, I
> >> actually liked the remake quite a bit and felt it was well done.
Also,

> >Hmmm... I thought it was called "The Assassin"? That's certainly what
> >it's titled in Australia.

> That's what it was called here in the UK as well. Personally I preferred
> the French original, it was darker, better thought out, and it was
possible
> to feel sorry for the girl caught in the government trap, Hollywood, in
> their usual style glitzed it all and lost a massive amount of the
emotional
> content, but then the Yanks seem to prefer films with action and no
story,
> so...

Actually, I thought they did a better job with the dark side of the
organization Nina was working for (just to confuse you further, Nina was
the code name for Bridget Fonda's character...). EVERY time Nina got
something good from them, she also got something bad. It was very poetic
and that made it darker, in my eyes. I also thought the different story
elements made a lot of sense and were appropriate. All in all, I am glad
La Femme Nikita was made, but I am also glad Point of No Return was made as
well. They were both well done.

> Just take a look at Aliens, and then ask yourselves why the Directors Cut
> hasn't been released in the US yet. It's got a storyline... <grin>

Now now now. ;) I agree for the most part that many American action
movies have no plot, but Point of No Return isn't one of those. Its plot
is similar to La Femme Nikita. Thus, if it doesn't have a plot, either
does the original. ;)

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Message no. 28
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:51:32 +0000
On 22 Jul 97 at 15:56, Spike wrote:

> |Haven't seen that yet... but I always grab director's cuts of movies
> |I'm interested in, because they are always better. Blade Runner and
> |Highlander are good examples..
>
> Highlander the directors cut???????
>
> There IS one???

Only for the American's, Spike. Your regular version IS the
director's cut over here. (You know, with the extra scenes like the
German soldier, etc.)

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Message no. 29
From: Drekhead <drekhead@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:52:59 +0000
On 22 Jul 97 at 9:10, Mike Loseke wrote:

> What are you talking about? The directors cut of Aliens has been in the US
> for quite some time. It's the one where it starts out on LV-24 with Newt
> and her family, correct? It also has the smart guns chattering away and
> Ripley finding out her daughter just died of old age.
>
> While we're talking about James Cameron, the directors cut of The Abyss
> could qualify as SR material as well. You actually find out why the sub
> is down there.

Thanks guys, I have to find these now.

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Message no. 30
From: Mike Loseke <mike@******.VERINET.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 10:04:24 -0600
Quoth Drekhead:
>
> On 22 Jul 97 at 9:10, Mike Loseke wrote:
>
> > What are you talking about? The directors cut of Aliens has been in the US
> > for quite some time. It's the one where it starts out on LV-24 with Newt
> > and her family, correct? It also has the smart guns chattering away and
> > Ripley finding out her daughter just died of old age.
> >
> > While we're talking about James Cameron, the directors cut of The Abyss
> > could qualify as SR material as well. You actually find out why the sub
> > is down there.
>
> Thanks guys, I have to find these now.

I should probably have mentioned that I have only ever seen these on
laserdisc. I don't know if they were ever printed on VHS. Same with
the Bladerunner director's cut (completely different movie).

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Message no. 31
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:03:09 -0500
> |The director's cut of the film adds about 20 minutes to the American
> |release and about 5 minutes to the European release.
>
> They cut 15 MINUTES off the american release that the ROTW got
> to see????

Yes, there were some scenes cut because of the puritanical rule of
the goody-two-shoes types who thought that the Kurgan's licking of
the priest's hand was too much... among other things.

Some was cut because if you cut 15 minutes from a film, you can
get a whole extra showing of it in the course of a business day...
Capitalist swine, all of them!

> That really is pitifull...
>
> I wonder what the extra 5 minutes is...

Mostly panoramas and some cutbacks in the first 30 minutes.
Really beautiful scenes that add depth and color.

Gossamer
Message no. 32
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:09:12 -0500
[DC of Abyss and Aliens cut]

> I should probably have mentioned that I have only ever seen these on
> laserdisc. I don't know if they were ever printed on VHS. Same with
> the Bladerunner director's cut (completely different movie).

Scum sucking bastards won't put DC Aliens out on VHS, but both
Abyss and Bladerunner are out on it.

Gossamer
Message no. 33
From: Jaymz <justin@******.NET>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 11:20:59 -0500
At 11:03 AM 7/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
#> |The director's cut of the film adds about 20 minutes to the American
#> |release and about 5 minutes to the European release.
#>
#> They cut 15 MINUTES off the american release that the ROTW got
#> to see????
#
#Yes, there were some scenes cut because of the puritanical rule of
#the goody-two-shoes types who thought that the Kurgan's licking of
#the priest's hand was too much... among other things.
#

also the entire nazi scene was cut, where Rachel is a introduced, etc.
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Message no. 34
From: Kristling the Weird <kristlingweird@*********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 11:53:10 -0400
Mike Loseke wrote:
>
> Quoth Drekhead:
> >
> > On 22 Jul 97 at 9:10, Mike Loseke wrote:
> >
> > > What are you talking about? The directors cut of Aliens has been in the US
> > > for quite some time. It's the one where it starts out on LV-24 with Newt
> > > and her family, correct? It also has the smart guns chattering away and
> > > Ripley finding out her daughter just died of old age.
> > >
> > > While we're talking about James Cameron, the directors cut of The Abyss
> > > could qualify as SR material as well. You actually find out why the sub
> > > is down there.
> >
> > Thanks guys, I have to find these now.
>
> I should probably have mentioned that I have only ever seen these on
> laserdisc. I don't know if they were ever printed on VHS. Same with
> the Bladerunner director's cut (completely different movie).

Don't know about the others but I have the Bladerunner D- Cut VHS. It is
a TOTALLY different movie, as Mike says.

I liked the first Highlander, hated the second, and haven't seen the
Third (should I count myself lucky?
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Message no. 35
From: "Steven A. Collins" <scollins@**.UML.EDU>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:17:23 -0400
On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Avenger wrote:


>>>snip lotsa stuff about lafemme nikita/point of no return/assasin<<<

->Just take a look at Aliens, and then ask yourselves why the Directors Cut
->hasn't been released in the US yet. It's got a storyline... <grin>
->

Aww man there's a directors cut of aliens. Why'd you have to go and
tell me that? Now I'm gonna have to try and find the damn thing. On
the plus side only a few weeks till Starship Troopers opens. I'm sure
theyre gonna destroy the book but it still looks pretty good from the
previews i've seen. Now if they's only make a movie out of Mote in the
Gods Eye or one of the Falkenbergs Legion books.
Message no. 36
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:34:37 -0600
Steven A. Collins wrote:
|
| On Tue, 22 Jul 1997, Avenger wrote:
|
|
| >>>snip lotsa stuff about lafemme nikita/point of no return/assasin<<<
|
| ->Just take a look at Aliens, and then ask yourselves why the Directors Cut
| ->hasn't been released in the US yet. It's got a storyline... <grin>
| ->
|
| Aww man there's a directors cut of aliens. Why'd you have to go and
| tell me that? Now I'm gonna have to try and find the damn thing. On
| the plus side only a few weeks till Starship Troopers opens. I'm sure
| theyre gonna destroy the book but it still looks pretty good from the
| previews i've seen. Now if they's only make a movie out of Mote in the
| Gods Eye or one of the Falkenbergs Legion books.

Hope you have a laser-disk player, cuz that's the only format the
director's cut comes in (I've been looking for the VHS version off
and on for the last 4 years).

-David
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Message no. 37
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:38:53 +0100
|Hope you have a laser-disk player, cuz that's the only format the
|director's cut comes in (I've been looking for the VHS version off
|and on for the last 4 years).

It's available on VHS over on this side of the pond.
But that's only because no-one has Video disk players over here...

There's no market for it....

Shame you use NTSC and we use PAL, innit?
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Message no. 38
From: David Buehrer <dbuehrer@****.ORG>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:45:45 -0600
Spike wrote:
|
| |Hope you have a laser-disk player, cuz that's the only format the
| |director's cut comes in (I've been looking for the VHS version off
| |and on for the last 4 years).
|
| It's available on VHS over on this side of the pond.
| But that's only because no-one has Video disk players over here...
|
| There's no market for it....
|
| Shame you use NTSC and we use PAL, innit?
| :)

Aaaarrrrgh!! <sound of head banging against wall>

-David
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Message no. 39
From: hernandez <hernandez@********.COM>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 10:20:01 -0700
> |
> | |Hope you have a laser-disk player, cuz that's the only format the
> | |director's cut comes in (I've been looking for the VHS version off
> | |and on for the last 4 years).
> |
> | It's available on VHS over on this side of the pond.
> | But that's only because no-one has Video disk players over here...
> |
> | There's no market for it....
> |
> | Shame you use NTSC and we use PAL, innit?
> | :)
>
> Aaaarrrrgh!! <sound of head banging against wall>
>
> -David

They do make Multisystem VCR's which can use PAL NTSC(both types) and
SECAM.

MoonShadow

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and in the image of Man created he him

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Message no. 40
From: Avenger <Avenger@*******.DEMON.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: SR-type movies (was: A Li'l Ole Question)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 04:42:00 +0100
In article <199707231634.KAA11335@******>, David Buehrer
<dbuehrer@****.ORG> rambled on endlessly about SR-type movies (was: A
Li'l Ole Question)

<ALiens - Directors Cut>
>Hope you have a laser-disk player, cuz that's the only format the
>director's cut comes in (I've been looking for the VHS version off
>and on for the last 4 years).

Available in VHS format in all major and minor video stores throughout
the UK. If it ain't on the shelves they can get it for you.

The DC was recently released with the 3 movie boxed edition... So it's
still out there. Maybe the US should learn to appreciate the story of a
film like us Brits, then you'd get spoiled with little gifts like this
as well. :)


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