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Message no. 1
From: Trunks Ryuko <trunks@********.ORG>
Subject: SSC2?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:59:59 -0400
There was a Street Sam Cat 2?? Was it renamed as something else or was it
named SSC2?

-James
trunks@********.org
Message no. 2
From: Nexx Many-Scars <Nexx3@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:56:49 EDT
In a message dated 98-08-13 19:21:27 EDT, you write:

> There was a Street Sam Cat 2?? Was it renamed as something else or was it
> named SSC2?

First off, Cat completely threw me. I thought you were talking about either
1) Some weird piece of equipment in a book I don't have or 2) One of the
Street Sams in our last game, who was named Cat.

Yes, there was a second edition version of the SSC
Message no. 3
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:04:22 +1000
Nexx writes:
> Yes, there was a second edition version of the SSC

OTH, it introduced absolutely nothing new if you already had the first
edition, except that it gave second ed stats (which you could pull out of
the back of the BBB anyway).

oh, and it had a funky dark gray cover instead of a funky light gray cover.

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Message no. 4
From: "Mark C. Farrington" <alareth@*****.DWEBS.NET>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:03:56 -0400
From: Robert Watkins <robert.watkins@******.COM>


>OTH, it introduced absolutely nothing new if you already had the first
>edition, except that it gave second ed stats (which you could pull out of
>the back of the BBB anyway).
>
>oh, and it had a funky dark gray cover instead of a funky light gray cover.


Don't forget the two or three pages that had the huge "BANNED IN SHADOWRUN
SECOND EDITION" covering up stuff like extended clips.

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Message no. 5
From: Spike <u5a77@*****.CS.KEELE.AC.UK>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:25:55 +0100
And verily, did Robert Watkins hastily scribble thusly...
|
|Nexx writes:
|> Yes, there was a second edition version of the SSC
|
|OTH, it introduced absolutely nothing new if you already had the first
|edition, except that it gave second ed stats (which you could pull out of
|the back of the BBB anyway).
|
|oh, and it had a funky dark gray cover instead of a funky light gray cover.

You're forgetting the REALLY funky big black letters that totally obscured
the outdates 1st Ed things like Firepower Ammo.

That was reallly..... Stupid. Why not put something NEW on those pages?
What a waste of paper...
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Message no. 6
From: Adam J <fro@***.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 06:57:10 -0600
At 13:25 8/14/98 +0100, you wrote:

>You're forgetting the REALLY funky big black letters that totally obscured
>the outdates 1st Ed things like Firepower Ammo.
>
>That was reallly..... Stupid. Why not put something NEW on those pages?
>What a waste of paper...

I agree that something *new* should have been put on those pages, but the
reason they left them like that was so all the page numbers matched up
between SSC and SSC2, and it didn't ruin all the page references they had..

-Adam J
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Message no. 7
From: Brett Borger <bxb121@***.EDU>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:30:57 +0000
> Nexx writes:
> > Yes, there was a second edition version of the SSC
>
> OTH, it introduced absolutely nothing new if you already had the first
> edition, except that it gave second ed stats (which you could pull out of
> the back of the BBB anyway).

Not all the stats. Certain things (Cyberguns) weren't properly
updated. Annoyingly enough, they STILL hadn't corrected the Panther
Cannon entry in the back (I think that lasted from the first SSC
through 2nd ed and the SSC2....I forget if FOF fixed it...


Brett Borger
SwiftOne@***.edu
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Message no. 8
From: MC23 <mc23@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:04:45 -0400
Once upon a time, Adam J wrote;

>I agree that something *new* should have been put on those pages, but the
>reason they left them like that was so all the page numbers matched up
>between SSC and SSC2, and it didn't ruin all the page references they had..

They didn't want owners of SSC have to buy a new one for SR2. Of
course there was one or two small rules additions that were in SSC
revised that wasn't in the back of SR2. I also hated flipping between SSC
and SR2 so I did end up buying SSCr anyway.

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Message no. 9
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:15:53 -0500
>Annoyingly enough, they STILL hadn't corrected the Panther
>Cannon entry in the back (I think that lasted from the first SSC
>through 2nd ed and the SSC2....I forget if FOF fixed it...

Potentially stupid question: What error with the Panther Assault Cannon?
(Never used one myself, so I wouldn't know if there was a problem with it or
not.)

---
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 10
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:16:41 -0400
Patrick Goodman wrote:
>>Annoyingly enough, they STILL hadn't corrected the Panther
>>Cannon entry in the back (I think that lasted from the first SSC
>>through 2nd ed and the SSC2....I forget if FOF fixed it...
>
>Potentially stupid question: What error with the Panther Assault Cannon?
>(Never used one myself, so I wouldn't know if there was a problem with it or
>not.)

They basically left a digit out of the cost. It was supposed to cost
"7,200 Y" but they left out the 7, leaving ",200 Y"...

btw, SR3 tidbit: no PAC! It's been replaced with the Vigorous Assault
Cannon. They sure like their Vs... :-)

James Ojaste
Message no. 11
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:34:18 -0500
>>>Annoyingly enough, they STILL hadn't corrected the Panther
>>>Cannon entry in the back (I think that lasted from the first SSC
>>>through 2nd ed and the SSC2....I forget if FOF fixed it...
>>
>>Potentially stupid question: What error with the Panther Assault Cannon?
>
>They basically left a digit out of the cost. It was supposed to cost
>"7,200 Y" but they left out the 7, leaving ",200 Y"...

According to my SSC (first printing, bought shortly before the debut of
SR2), it shows that price, sans typo, both in the product description and
the table at the back.

It is typoed in the back of BBB2, but it's printed right in SSC.

---
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 12
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:13:34 EDT
In a message dated 8/14/98 1:17:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA writes:

> btw, SR3 tidbit: no PAC! It's been replaced with the Vigorous Assault
> Cannon. They sure like their Vs... :-)

Maybe they will reintroduce the Panther at a later date since the Panther
Cannon held 2 more rounds of ammo, wieght 2 kgs less and had a hip brace.

-Bandit
Message no. 13
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:34:30 -0400
M. Sean Martinez wrote:
>> btw, SR3 tidbit: no PAC! It's been replaced with the Vigorous Assault
>> Cannon. They sure like their Vs... :-)
>
>Maybe they will reintroduce the Panther at a later date since the Panther
>Cannon held 2 more rounds of ammo, wieght 2 kgs less and had a hip brace.

1) If you need more than 20 rounds of ammo, get a belt (or another
clip - you'll have ample time to change it as the weapon is SS).
2) a 10% difference in weight isn't much when *you're carrying a
fragging CANNON*. Ahem. Sorry 'bout that.
3) hip brace? Why bother? It's only SS and you're not going to give
the thing to a weakling... Plus, it *is* 700Y cheaper (buy a shockpad,
bipod or tripod with the extra).

Not like I'm ever going to build a character with one of those monsters.
They just don't belong on most shadowruns. Now if you wanted to
overthrow a small carib government...

James Ojaste
Message no. 14
From: Alfredo B Alves <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:25:09 -0500
On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:16:41 -0400 "Ojaste,James [NCR]"
<James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA> writes:
>Patrick Goodman wrote:
>>>Annoyingly enough, they STILL hadn't corrected the Panther
>>>Cannon entry in the back (I think that lasted from the first SSC
>>>through 2nd ed and the SSC2....I forget if FOF fixed it...

>>Potentially stupid question: What error with the Panther Assault
Cannon?
>>(Never used one myself, so I wouldn't know if there was a problem with
it or
>>not.)

>They basically left a digit out of the cost. It was supposed to cost
>"7,200 Y" but they left out the 7, leaving ",200 Y"...

Nope. Errror carries from SSC1 all the way through FoF ... except
Shadowtech has the correct price ...

>btw, SR3 tidbit: no PAC! It's been replaced with the Vigorous Assault
>Cannon. They sure like their Vs... :-)
>
>James Ojaste

So we can't pack a PAC anymore? :) Maybe FASA just wants us to pack VACs
in case things get messy ...? :P

D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
o/` Trideo killed the Video Star ... o/`

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Message no. 15
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: SSC2?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:12:33 -0500
>>They basically left a digit out of the cost. It was supposed to cost
>>"7,200 Y" but they left out the 7, leaving ",200 Y"...
>
>Nope. Errror carries from SSC1 all the way through FoF ... except
>Shadowtech has the correct price ...

So what's the error, if it's not the one James is talking about?

*My* copy of SSC is showing the 7,200Y price. Am I missing something?

---
(>) Texas 2-Step
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