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Message no. 1
From: Ben Bernard <bcb@*******.EDU>
Subject: Staging
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:49:21 -0400
Hey ShadowRN,

I have, at least what I think is, an interesting question: If a magician,
casts a spell that does stun damage, and achieves enough unopposed
successes to stag it up to Double Deadly damage (which would end up being
deadly physical damage), does he have to? can he chose not to stag it up
at all? Can he chose to stag it up to only say... deadly stun damage?
Just a thought....

Ben


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Message no. 2
From: Gossamer <kajohnson@*******.TEC.WI.US>
Subject: Re: Staging
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:33:28 -0500
> can he chose not to stag it up
> at all? Can he chose to stag it up to only say...
> deadly stun damage? Just a thought....

We play that the mage cannot do this.

Our reasoning was along these lines:

The mage creates the spells and invests it with a
certain amount of power (total effect dice) and then
sends it to fufil its destiny (into the hearts and minds
of its targets). Once the spell is unleashed, it is a
'living entity' controled by its programming to seek
it's target(s) and ground out. So a mage has no
control of the magick once it is released.

Having said that, we also decided that that is the
state of magick NOW (2057-8). We have seen that
some initiates can control the flow of magick into
a target (Centering and Spellcasting GrimmII pg.43)
to have increased effect.

We may develop another type of centering in the
future that would be a modification of this type that
will allow the channelling of damage to a lower
stage than is rolled. But we've ruled that it's not
possible to bleed off spell power once it is sent.

That's my opinion, I hope it helps.

Gossamer
Message no. 3
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Staging
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:13:51 -0700
| Hey ShadowRN,
|
| I have, at least what I think is, an interesting question: If a magician,
| casts a spell that does stun damage, and achieves enough unopposed
| successes to stag it up to Double Deadly damage (which would end up being
| deadly physical damage), does he have to? can he chose not to stag it up
| at all? Can he chose to stag it up to only say... deadly stun damage?
| Just a thought....

Well Ben,
AKAIK You cannot in one STUN spell do ANY physical damage...even if you
had 1.3 bazillion net successes. Now granted this is in our game, but I am
pretty sure that is the way the rules are supposed to work.

-Caric

"I was NAKED!!!!!!!!!!!"
-Blackjack our Racoon Shaman when asked why he ran away from one
particular fight."
Message no. 4
From: andre eibel <eibel.andre@**.COMCITY.DE>
Subject: Re: Staging
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 01:15:20 -0500
At 29-Mai-97 wrote Ben Bernard:

>Hey ShadowRN,

>I have, at least what I think is, an interesting question: If a magician,
>casts a spell that does stun damage, and achieves enough unopposed
>successes to stag it up to Double Deadly damage (which would end up being
>deadly physical damage), does he have to? can he chose not to stag it up
>at all? Can he chose to stag it up to only say... deadly stun damage?
>Just a thought....

> Ben

He can`t stack the damage to deadly physical, because stun spells
do never physical damage.
Sorry I can`t find any reference page for you yet,.

--
Barbie


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climbing over sumertowm you can kiss the air we`re
gliding follow me for sumerland no sound no life
no essence we lay enstranged in our curious ways
memories lay beside us but i`m seeing through an
age who i`m through sumerland.

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Message no. 5
From: HAUPT ULRICH FB08 <sandman@****.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE>
Subject: Re: Staging
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 16:01:06 MEZ-1MESZ
> I have, at least what I think is, an interesting question: If a magician,
> casts a spell that does stun damage, and achieves enough unopposed
> successes to stag it up to Double Deadly damage (which would end up being
> deadly physical damage), does he have to? can he chose not to stag it up
> at all? Can he chose to stag it up to only say... deadly stun damage?

You can't stag a spell to 'double deadly damage'. The most you can
achieve is simple deadly damage. If the mental condition monitor has
taken damage (eg M (3 boxes) Stun) the overflowing damage is
physical (3 physical boxes and 7 stun in the example). You have to
cast at least 2 Stun-damaging spells to do deadly physical damage. I
woudn't say two stacked stun spells do physical damage because they
are released simultaniously!

Ulrich Haupt
physical
Message no. 6
From: Shane Courtrille <hardware@*******.DATANET.AB.CA>
Subject: Re: Staging
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 18:05:22 +0000
>
> He can`t stack the damage to deadly physical, because stun spells
> do never physical damage.
> Sorry I can`t find any reference page for you yet,.
>
> --
> Barbie

Incorrect... when Stun goes high enough it continues on to Physical
damage. This is in the main book, tho I can't quote an exact page.


Shane Courtrille - hardware@*******.ab.ca
Message no. 7
From: Gurth <gurth@******.NL>
Subject: Re: Staging
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 09:47:05 +0100
Shane Courtrille said on 18:05/ 2 Jun 97...

> Incorrect... when Stun goes high enough it continues on to Physical
> damage. This is in the main book, tho I can't quote an exact page.

By the black book, a weapon doing Stun damage can only inflict Physical
damage if the character who takes the damage already had some Stun damage
inflicted on him/her earlier on. This is very simply because with the
basic SRII rules, you cannot stage a weapon to do more than Deadly damage,
so an uninjured/unstunned person cannot take more than 10 boxes damage
from any single attack.
If you add in one of the various overdamage rules (from FoF, the
Companion, or a house rule), more than 10 boxes of damage can be done.
Since any Stun damage above 10 boxes (=overflow) becomes Physical, then
yes, it is possible for Stun-damage weapons to do Physical damage. I can't
remember any rule right now that says Stun-damage spells aren't subject to
this rule.

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Message no. 8
From: andre eibel <eibel.andre@**.COMCITY.DE>
Subject: Re: Staging
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 17:52:43 -0500
At 03-Jun-97 wrote Gurth:


>I can't
>remember any rule right now that says Stun-damage spells aren't subject to
>this rule.

Page 111 Grimi under combatspells:
"The only exeption to this rule is when a spell formula is specifically
constructed to do stun damage, and does not inflict physical damage.
Either physical or mana spells may be designed as stun damage spells."
--
Barbie


==================================================
You can see the earth we`re high here we`re
climbing over sumertowm you can kiss the air we`re
gliding follow me for sumerland no sound no life
no essence we lay enstranged in our curious ways
memories lay beside us but i`m seeing through an
age who i`m through sumerland.

(Fields of the Nephilim-Eilzium-Weil of Sumer)

Message no. 9
From: Caric <caric@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Staging
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 15:41:06 -0700
It appears that some people are a little confused on how stun damage and
overflow work...if the poor sot already had say a serious stun (six boxes
of damage), and he was to take a second serious stun or another six boxes,
then the last two points would "roll over" in to the physical damage giving
the victim one above a light wound. Unless you are using the FoF
overdamage rules to apply to stun damage as well as physical there is no
way to fill an empty stun monitor AND put boxes into physical IN ONE
ATTACK. (I capitalize here not to shout, but to emphasize). IN other
words it doesn't matter how many success you get on your stun bolt at the
uninjured ganger, unless you throw two you will not damage him physically.

-Caric

"I was NAKED!!!!!!!!!!!"
-Blackjack our Racoon Shaman when asked why he ran away from one
particular fight."

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