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Message no. 1
From: Marc Renouf renouf@********.com
Subject: Starting equiptment
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:08:02 -0400 (EDT)
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Arcady wrote:

> They do however monitor you. I know several vets who worked in top secret
> projects and they all had to report on their actions and travel plans on a
> regular basis and whenever going overseas. They had to get approval for many
> things and were restricted from many places of travel.

Even civilian contractors who work with classified systems or data
are subject to this kind of monitoring and restriction. The military is
pretty careful about things like letting information go leaking away.
That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that they take steps to prevent
it.

> The military doesn't hand out it's sensitive data nor it's equipment
> lightly.

They also classify some of the stupidest shit. There's stuff that
considered "top secret" that half the American populace either knows
already or could guess at. And don't even get me started on classified
data. There's satellite image data out there from the 70's that's still
classified, even after the actual sensor that took the data was
declassified and retired. It's not like they're giving any secrets away
about the system's performance parameters, and it wouldn't matter if they
were. It's not even that the subject matter in the imagery is a matter of
national security. Some of the researchers I work with would *love* to
get their hands on high resolution satellite data for boreal fire scar
tracking, monitoring sea lion populations, or getting a better idea of how
ice forms on the open ocean. But the declassification process is
ridiculously internecine (for a good reason to be sure), making it take
far too long and cost far too much.
Ironically, until recently if you wanted high resolution satellite
imagery, you had to go to the Russians, because they were the only ones
selling it.

Marc Renouf (ShadowRN GridSec - "Bad Cop" Division)

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Message no. 2
From: Gurth gurth@******.nl
Subject: Starting equiptment
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:10:12 +0200
According to Marc Renouf, at 11:08 on 20 Jul 99, the word on
the street was...

> Even civilian contractors who work with classified systems or data
> are subject to this kind of monitoring and restriction. The military is
> pretty careful about things like letting information go leaking away.
> That's not to say it doesn't happen, just that they take steps to prevent
> it.

And on the other side of the coin are things like my brother encountered.
He worked 6 months as an intern at a shipyard that does a lot of work for
the Dutch Navy, and had his background checked by the Internal Security
Agency -- without their approval, he couldn't work at the shipyard. So, he
fills out the forms etc., mails them, and then hears nothing until two
weeks after he has finished his internship...

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Message no. 3
From: Richard Tomasso rtomasso@*******.com
Subject: Starting equiptment
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:39:53 -0400 (EDT)
Seraph wrote:
> > However, things like WR 2 or 3, VCR 3, tactical computers, and most
> > weapons systems are going to be repoed at the end of that.
>
> Why would they bother repoing that stuff? After 10 years it will be very
> outdated. Look at computers after 10 years of advancement: Nobody will even
> touch one 10 years old unless they had no choice...
> Most likely they will 'convince' them to keep working for the government.
> After all, if they warranted some high grade cyberware then they are
> probably effective personnel.

Unless the Military actually kept the cyberwear up to or near SOTA with
regular maintenance, firmware upgrades, etc. Which I would think they'd
do barring some funding problems.
Message no. 4
From: Kelson kelson13@*******.com
Subject: Starting equiptment
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:06:47 -0700
On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 14:39:53 Richard Tomasso wrote:
>Seraph wrote:

>> > However, things like WR 2 or 3, VCR 3, tactical computers, and most
>> > weapons systems are going to be repoed at the end of that.

>> Why would they bother repoing that stuff? After 10 years it will be very
>> outdated. Look at computers after 10 years of advancement: Nobody will even
>> touch one 10 years old unless they had no choice...
>> Most likely they will 'convince' them to keep working for the government.
>> After all, if they warranted some high grade cyberware then they are
>> probably effective personnel.

>Unless the Military actually kept the cyberwear up to or near SOTA with
>regular maintenance, firmware upgrades, etc. Which I would think they'd
>do barring some funding problems.

Not to mention that some cyberware would have to be repoed for legality reasons. It would
be difficult to get a permit for some ware (military grade, highly lethal, etc.).

Justin


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