Back to the main page

Mailing List Logs for ShadowRN

Message no. 1
From: Brett Barnhart <BARNHART@****>
Subject: Stealing cars...
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 92 19:54:00 CST
I would think that stealing cars in Shadowrun would involve several
different things. First of all, an electronics skill to bypass the alarm
system, as well as another test for actually hotwiring the car. Then you would
need the appropriate driving skill. It would be harder to steal a rigged car
rather than an ordinary, off the street model. The target numbers as well as
the number of sucesses needed.
I don't think that it should be that difficult, although consider that
some of those protection systems can do nasty things to a person's body. It
is only as hard as the GM makes it.
Ooopss I meant to say that the target number as well as the number of successes
needed are up to the GM.
-QuickTrigger
Message no. 2
From: "Marcel \"rab\" Emami" <rab@***.INFORMATIK.UNI-MANNHEIM.DE>
Subject: stealing cars
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:26:43 +0200
Steadfast schrieb:

> keep it low profile as they had lost. Two boys decided to steal a car to
> make some cash for the upcoming events. The one that had the job of

<snip> how trolls get killed

In 2058 the stealing of cars should be a bit difficult (INHO). Not the
anti-theft-system(ATS); the better the ATS, the beter Anti-ATS: But even now
most of the -expensive- Cars has a sattelite uplin, so the policecanfind it.
In my campaign _all_ cars has a chip build in that emits signals (current
speed, location, Licenceplate, load!, ...) and every LS car has an HUD (the
front window) which displays all these datas over the original image of the car
(ever played Tie-fighter?).
Sure you can jamm this signal, but no signal will alert the friendly
neighborhood officers. the Chip will be somewhere inthe engine and somewhere
inthe frame, so no just i swap the chip. You need a Ccar-BR shop and a roll
Car-BR(4) and 2 hours.A fixer will charge you 300 bucks for this.
So cartheft is not a real problem but takes some time.
Message no. 3
From: Steadfast <laughingman@*******.DE>
Subject: Re: stealing cars
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 02:31:09 +0200
And so it came to happen that Marcel "rab" Emami wrote:
----------
> In 2058 the stealing of cars should be a bit difficult (INHO). Not the
> anti-theft-system(ATS); the better the ATS, the beter Anti-ATS: But even
now
> most of the -expensive- Cars has a sattelite uplin, so the policecanfind
it.
> In my campaign _all_ cars has a chip build in that emits signals (current
> speed, location, Licenceplate, load!, ...) and every LS car has an HUD
(the
> front window) which displays all these datas over the original image of
the car
> (ever played Tie-fighter?).

Yep, played and loved it. But that makes the coppers some problems as there
is not always, just for example the registred owner of the Car behind the
wheel. And of course there is always that odd "Big Brother Thing" that most
people do not like. And this definetly sounds like it to me. Sure
Satuplinks are a must as every Car with a autonav rating 3 or higher has
GPS with it and 2 or higher have communications with the traffic control
grid and tracking should be most easy for the Blue Boys. But having every
car constantly flooding the city with little frequencies that identify them
and the owner sounds a bit harsh to me as that would surely made any patrol
a horror for the cops.

"Ah see, the I-5 today is really buzzing."
"Yep. I'll guess we have 30 cars in those 100 meters. How many signals do
we get?"
"Hm. 1.403.204. Seems normal to me."

Well, not that good example as the signals shold be restricted in a way,
say Flux Rating of 0 or maybe 1 for important cars. Cops and other
officials could have Flux ratings of up to 5 (that would give them in
Seattle a Range of about 5 to 6 km).
This brings back the point of actually how close the Coppers need to drive
by to get the readings from the chip.

> Sure you can jamm this signal, but no signal will alert the friendly
> neighborhood officers. the Chip will be somewhere inthe engine and
somewhere
> inthe frame, so no just i swap the chip. You need a Ccar-BR shop and a
roll
> Car-BR(4) and 2 hours.A fixer will charge you 300 bucks for this.
> So cartheft is not a real problem but takes some time.

You really have read your Star Wars, hm (;o))?
But why not having a chip handy that sends his signal with a Flux rating
say about 6? You should have to find the frequency of the coresponding
transceiver of the car you wanna steal, after that you adjust your
Steal-o-Matic-Transponder (tm) that can be feed with false informations and
switch it on. The S-M-T overrides the frequency of the original transponder
and, presto, there you drive your new Leyland Zarina (or whatever).

By the way, your e-mail adress is overiding the List.

--->Steadfast
to be "human" is not a state of living
I want to achieve.
Message no. 4
From: Fixer <fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US>
Subject: Re: stealing cars
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:41:18 -0400
On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Marcel "rab" Emami wrote:

First and Foremost, you're reply to is overriding the list, now, that
being said....

->Steadfast schrieb:
->
->> keep it low profile as they had lost. Two boys decided to steal a car to
->> make some cash for the upcoming events. The one that had the job of
->
-><snip> how trolls get killed
->
->In 2058 the stealing of cars should be a bit difficult (INHO). Not the
->anti-theft-system(ATS); the better the ATS, the beter Anti-ATS: But even now
->most of the -expensive- Cars has a sattelite uplin, so the policecanfind it.
->In my campaign _all_ cars has a chip build in that emits signals (current
->speed, location, Licenceplate, load!, ...) and every LS car has an HUD (the
->front window) which displays all these datas over the original image of the car
->(ever played Tie-fighter?).
->Sure you can jamm this signal, but no signal will alert the friendly
->neighborhood officers. the Chip will be somewhere inthe engine and somewhere
->inthe frame, so no just i swap the chip. You need a Ccar-BR shop and a roll
->Car-BR(4) and 2 hours.A fixer will charge you 300 bucks for this.
->So cartheft is not a real problem but takes some time.

You're a big believer in "Big Brother" aren't you? I firmly
believe that this sort of thing would never get approved because of the
anti-'Big Brother' mentality that is prevalent even today. Being tracked
every moment of your day while driving (like to that secluded spot called
'Make out Point"), having people know exactly where your car is every
moment of the day (especially when you're going over to your secretary's
house to cheat on your wife), even when you go into the drive-thru car
wash (to swap those illegal goods) would never be taken in well by the
polititions or the populace at large. Hell, if that was going on today,
I'd have the damned chip removed too, because I don't like folks knowing
where I am all the time (which is why I don't have a cellphone or beeper
either). If my truck was stolen (I'd be surprised for one), I would just
have to tolerate the old slow methods of locating it.

Fixer --------------} The easy I do before breakfast,
the difficult I do all day long,
the impossible only during the week,
and miracles performed on an as-needed basis....

Now tell me, what was your problem?
Message no. 5
From: "Marcel \"rab\" Emami" <rab@***.INFORMATIK.UNI-MANNHEIM.DE>
Subject: Re: stealing cars
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:59:03 +0200
Steadfast schrieb:

> Yep, played and loved it. But that makes the coppers some problems as there
> is not always, just for example the registred owner of the Car behind
> thewheel. And of course there is always that odd "Big Brother Thing" that
> most

Thats non Big Brother stuff it just an extended license plate.
maybe because I'm german I'm used to police with many rights and information
gathering, but the heck this is just a licences plate that sends a signal to
the next patrol car and the next red light (In germany some traffic light are
equiped with a camera, so if you go fast to late on yellow police will know you
have been there. So police will use this to get more money (or tho get safer
streets) .

> Well, not that good example as the signals shold be restricted in a way,
> say Flux Rating of 0 or maybe 1 for important cars. Cops and other
> officials could have Flux ratings of up to 5 (that would give them in
> Seattle a Range of about 5 to 6 km).
> This brings back the point of actually how close the Coppers need to drive
> by to get the readings from the chip.
>

about line of sight with the and maybe they have to switch it on.

> But why not having a chip handy that sends his signal with a Flux rating
> say about 6? You should have to find the frequency of the coresponding
> transceiver of the car you wanna steal, after that you adjust your
> Steal-o-Matic-Transponder (tm) that can be feed with false informations and
> switch it on. The S-M-T overrides the frequency of the original transponder
> and, presto, there you drive your new Leyland Zarina (or whatever).

That should work, just override it,

> By the way, your e-mail adress is overiding the List.

As i said: I hope i fixed it. (duck)

Kruss und Guss

Rab

E-mail: Rab@***.informatik.uni-mannheim.de

WWW : http://fim.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/~rab

GeekCode 3.0:

GM d-(+) s: a- C+(+++) U+ P? L>+ N K? w+$ o-->++ M V? PS+(++) PE-(--)

Y@ PGP@ t-(---) 5++ X@ R+++>$ tv+ b++ DI D++ G+

e+ h r+ y+
Message no. 6
From: "Marcel \"rab\" Emami" <rab@***.INFORMATIK.UNI-MANNHEIM.DE>
Subject: Re: stealing cars
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:45:47 +0200
Fixer schrieb:

> First and Foremost, you're reply to is overriding the list, now, that
> being said....

I hope I handled tgat problem; If not just twap me.



> You're a big believer in "Big Brother" aren't you? I firmly

No I'm a non beliver in Big brother, but I think taht when You have a car for about
one to two years wage, you want it to be protected. Or the insurance company will
handle it: " You donīt have to take this chip, no . but we have an special offer for
those who take it, it's only 5% of the without rate, It's your choice.

But this signal is not the hole time on and this Signal should not be the big problem
to
override.
BTW does anybody of you know hoe they handle it today ? I have heard that most of the
new expensive car have one of those. So don't visit your secretary with the limo, the
Golf should do it:

Kruss und Guss
Rab
E-mail: Rab@***.informatik.uni-mannheim.de
WWW : http://fim.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/~rab
GeekCode 3.0:
GM d-(+) s: a- C+(+++) U+ P? L>+ N K? w+$ o-->++ M V? PS+(++) PE-(--)
Y@ PGP@ t-(---) 5++ X@ R+++>$ tv+ b++ DI D++ G+
e+ h r+ y+
Message no. 7
From: "M. Sean Martinez" <ElBandit@***.COM>
Subject: Re: stealing cars
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:46:47 EDT
In a message dated 10/6/98 7:32:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fixer@*******.TLH.FL.US writes:

> You're a big believer in "Big Brother" aren't you? I firmly
> believe that this sort of thing would never get approved because of the
> anti-'Big Brother' mentality that is prevalent even today.

I believe such a device is cuirrently in operation in one of the European
countries. As far as Shadowrun is concerned, all vehicles have a bar code that
can be scanned by a fixed traffic drone WHEN it is detected as speeding. See
Lone Star Source book for more information (page 30-31)

> Hell, if that was going on today,
> I'd have the damned chip removed too, because I don't like folks knowing
> where I am all the time (which is why I don't have a cellphone or beeper
> either).

Paranoid?

I would care either way since I have nothing to hide and see advantages to it.
If something happened to me or my wife needed to get into contact with me in a
hurry it would be rather simple to have the local authorites track me down.

As the saying goes, each to his own.

-Bandit

Further Reading

If you enjoyed reading about stealing cars, you may also be interested in:

Disclaimer

These messages were posted a long time ago on a mailing list far, far away. The copyright to their contents probably lies with the original authors of the individual messages, but since they were published in an electronic forum that anyone could subscribe to, and the logs were available to subscribers and most likely non-subscribers as well, it's felt that re-publishing them here is a kind of public service.

Thwap!