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From:	dghost@**.com dghost@**.com
Subject:	Stepped Reflex Triggers
Date:	Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:52:58 -0800

Message no. 1 Do Stepped Reflex Triggers increase the cost of wires or of standard
Reflex Triggers by 25%?

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From:	Patrick Goodman remo@***.net
Subject:	Stepped Reflex Triggers
Date:	Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:09:06 -0600

Message no. 2 > Do Stepped Reflex Triggers increase the cost of wires or of standard
> Reflex Triggers by 25%?

As I read it, Alfredo, it's an increase to the cost of the reflex trigger
itself, since it's a modification for the standard reflex trigger.

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From:	Angelkiller 404 angelkiller404@**********.com
Subject:	Stepped Reflex Triggers
Date:	Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:39:47 -0500

Message no. 3 ----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.net>
To: <shadowrn@*********.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 7:09 PM
Subject: RE: Stepped Reflex Triggers

> > Do Stepped Reflex Triggers increase the cost of wires or of
standard
> > Reflex Triggers by 25%?
>
> As I read it, Alfredo, it's an increase to the cost of the reflex
trigger
> itself, since it's a modification for the standard reflex trigger.

If that were so, then the cost would be a base cost, since 25% of
13,000 is pretty standard. No, I think it's 25% the cost of the wires
in addition to the reflex trigger, which is a rip off--it's just so
much easier to say that reflex triggers already have a built-in
steeper in them.

AK404
http://freespeech.org/ak404/

From:	Scott W iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject:	Stepped Reflex Triggers
Date:	Tue, 07 Dec 1999 01:40:39 -0400

Message no. 4 "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to Angelkiller 404."
] > > Do Stepped Reflex Triggers increase the cost of wires or of
] standard
] > > Reflex Triggers by 25%?
] >
] > As I read it, Alfredo, it's an increase to the cost of the reflex
] trigger
] > itself, since it's a modification for the standard reflex trigger.
]
] If that were so, then the cost would be a base cost, since 25% of
] 13,000 is pretty standard. No, I think it's 25% the cost of the wires
] in addition to the reflex trigger, which is a rip off--it's just so
] much easier to say that reflex triggers already have a built-in
] steeper in them.

I gotta go with Angelkiller. 25% applies to the trigger price, not
the wires. It's the wording, it just makes more sense.

-Boondocker

From:	dghost@**.com dghost@**.com
Subject:	Stepped Reflex Triggers
Date:	Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:22:30 -0800

Message no. 5 On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 01:40:39 -0400 Scott W <iscottw@*****.nb.ca> writes:
<SNIP>
> I gotta go with Angelkiller. 25% applies to the trigger price, not
> the wires. It's the wording, it just makes more sense.

Actually, upon looking at the master list in M&M, I have to say, beyond a
shadow of a doubt, it's +25% added onto normal triggers. I think the
reason that they didn't say +3,250 is so that people buy Delta Reflex
Triggers and standard Stepped Reflex Trigger modifications. I think it
would have been better to give a fixed cost and state that the stepped
reflex triggers must match the cyberware grade of the trigger (and the
wires.). The listing as a percentage, however, implies that they can be
added in after the wires and reflex trigger.

Btw, is it just me, or does SR3 not seem to have anything stating that
reflex triggers can't be added in after the wires? :)

--
D. Ghost
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
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From:	Scott W iscottw@*****.nb.ca
Subject:	Stepped Reflex Triggers
Date:	Tue, 07 Dec 1999 03:27:55 -0400

Message no. 6 "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to dghost@****.com."
] Btw, is it just me, or does SR3 not seem to have anything stating that
] reflex triggers can't be added in after the wires? :)

P. 301, it says, "the trigger cannot be retrofitted later." Cruddy,
I think.

-Boondocker

From:	dghost@**.com dghost@**.com
Subject:	Stepped Reflex Triggers
Date:	Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:52:55 -0800

Message no. 7 On Tue, 07 Dec 1999 03:27:55 -0400 Scott W <iscottw@*****.nb.ca> writes:
> "And now, a Channel 6 editorial reply to dghost@****.com."
> ] Btw, is it just me, or does SR3 not seem to have anything stating
that
> ] reflex triggers can't be added in after the wires? :)

> P. 301, it says, "the trigger cannot be retrofitted later." Cruddy,
> I think.

Damn. I saw a description of the trigger in the Wired Reflexes
description and thought they'd left that out. Not that it matters to me,
I've always given reflex triggers to my players as a throw away. If they
bought the reflex trigger they got a stepped reflex trigger. (This was
way back in SR2, so the wording was different since "stepped reflex
triggers" didn't exist yet. :) To offset this, I implemented penalties
for people who had their wires on all the time based on the MBW
penalties. (there should be something in the logs somewhere. I'll have to
go looking for it.) This was only something to wave over the players'
heads so that they'd turn off the wires rather than "make" me check for
all that nasty stuff. :)

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Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
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