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Message no. 1
From: Bai Shen <baishen@**********.COM>
Subject: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:41:30 -0500
Cool book. My only question is, what was that tree 'sposed to
accomplish?
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Message no. 2
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:09:00 -0600
On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:41:30 -0500 Bai Shen <baishen@**********.COM>
writes:
>Cool book. My only question is, what was that tree 'sposed to
>accomplish?

Read Renraku Arcology: Shutdown. The tree is related to Deus in some
manner, but I'm not sure exactly how ... perhaps Steve or Dave can shed
some light?

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Coffee without caffeine is like sex without the spanking." -- Cupid
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
Edition)

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Message no. 3
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:04:17 EST
In a message dated 12/12/98 5:21:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> >Cool book. My only question is, what was that tree 'sposed to
> >accomplish?
>
> Read Renraku Arcology: Shutdown. The tree is related to Deus in some
> manner, but I'm not sure exactly how ... perhaps Steve or Dave can shed
> some light?
>

No, the tree is not Deus, it's Psychotrope, the one who up until now has been
creating most of the otaku on the planet.

-Mike
Message no. 4
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:40:02 -0600
On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:04:17 EST Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM> writes:
>In a message dated 12/12/98 5:21:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>dghost@****.COM writes:
>> >Cool book. My only question is, what was that tree 'sposed to
>> >accomplish?

>> Read Renraku Arcology: Shutdown. The tree is related to Deus in some
>> manner, but I'm not sure exactly how ... perhaps Steve or Dave can
shed
>> some light?

>No, the tree is not Deus, it's Psychotrope, the one who up until now has
been
>creating most of the otaku on the planet.

Uhm ... but was Babel's refusal to saccrifice himself for the tree not a
betrayal? And who rants about being betrayed by Babel? Deus. I did not
say that the tree WAS Deus but that the tree was related to Deus (and who
said that the tree at the end was the same tree that made Babel into an
Otaku? The tree could be a representation of Deus' aquistion of the
ability to create Otaku ...). Also, in RA:S Deus' matrix "lair" includes
a tree.

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Coffee without caffeine is like sex without the spanking." -- Cupid
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
Edition)

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Message no. 5
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:29:08 -0500
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At 07:04 PM 12/14/98 -0500, Mike wrote:
>No, the tree is not Deus, it's Psychotrope, the one who up until now
has been
>creating most of the otaku on the planet.

I haven't read the novel that dealt with Psychotrope, but the strong
impression that I got by comparing the events in Technobabel to what
information is mentioned in RA:S, is that the Tree _was_ Deus.

Shadowtalk on p. 46 of RA:S, reads as follows:
> Some of the Uninitiated, as they call
themselves, remain among the otaku. The Banded
largely ignore them, though they call some of them
"babel" behind their backs. Not one has defected
to the Resistance, a telling sign of how effective
a hold Deus has over its children.
> Peregrine

> "Babel" is the name of one of Deus' first otaku,
Deus wished to sacrifice him, and Babel turned
against him. He is masterless now, and works
against Deus from outside the arcology."
> Ronin

"Ronin" is the name that Babel took for himself at the end of
Technobabel. In the published text, I don't think it's ever concretely
indicated that the shadowtalk poster named Ronin is the same
character; HOWEVER, in some of the suplimental material that Dave
Hyatt and FASA have put up on the web, it does specifically state that
it's the same "Ronin" from Technobabel.

- From http://www.shadowland.org/RenrakuArcology/CastOfShadows.html
"Ronin -- Michael Bishop, formerly the otaku known as Babel. Refused
to sacrifice his life for Deus, and now fights the AI any way he can."

So, by what's in RA:S, it's apparent that Babel himself thinks the
Tree was Deus, and that Deus' pet Banded Otaku think that Babel
betrayed Deus by refusing to sacrifice himself. It's still possible of
course, that the Tree was Psycotrope, but I'd bet a fiver on it being
Deus.

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Message no. 6
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:37:36 EST
In a message dated 12/14/1998 7:08:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Airwasp@***.COM writes:

>
> No, the tree is not Deus, it's Psychotrope, the one who up until now has
> been
> creating most of the otaku on the planet.
>
> -Mike
>
Uhm, erm, uh, Mike...there is a statement I recall reading in the RA:S book
concerning "Babel". Also, I think it's interesting that any of the Otaku they
got into a fight with (they being the Archangels of Deus) referred to them as
"Babel".

-K
Message no. 7
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:10:32 -0600
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:37:36 EST K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
writes:
>In a message dated 12/14/1998 7:08:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
>Airwasp@***.COM writes:
>> No, the tree is not Deus, it's Psychotrope, the one who up until now
has been
>> creating most of the otaku on the planet.

>Uhm, erm, uh, Mike...there is a statement I recall reading in the RA:S
book
>concerning "Babel". Also, I think it's interesting that any of the
Otaku they
>got into a fight with (they being the Archangels of Deus) referred to
them as
>"Babel".

actually, they primarily refer to Ronin as Babel ...

--
D. Ghost
(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Coffee without caffeine is like sex without the spanking." -- Cupid
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
Edition)

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Message no. 8
From: Tarek Okail <Tarek_Okail@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:18:38 -0500
Guys--
The NOVEL is called Psychotrope. The AI in the novel is Deus. Pay=

attention.

Tarek Okail
Message no. 9
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:25:45 -0500
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At 12:10 AM 12/15/98 -0600, D.Ghost wrote:
>>Also, I think it's interesting that any of the Otaku they
>>got into a fight with (they being the Archangels of Deus)
>>referred to them as "Babel".
>
>actually, they primarily refer to Ronin as Babel ...

Most likely because Ronin's name used to _be_ Babel. :)

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Message no. 10
From: Mike Bobroff <Airwasp@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:10:27 EST
In a message dated 12/14/98 7:47:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
dghost@****.COM writes:

> Uhm ... but was Babel's refusal to saccrifice himself for the tree not a
> betrayal? And who rants about being betrayed by Babel? Deus. I did not
> say that the tree WAS Deus but that the tree was related to Deus (and who
> said that the tree at the end was the same tree that made Babel into an
> Otaku? The tree could be a representation of Deus' aquistion of the
> ability to create Otaku ...). Also, in RA:S Deus' matrix "lair" includes
> a tree.

Okay somebody, help me out, any clues as to where I could find something
mentioning this, as for some reason or another I believed that the 'tree' was
Psychotrope.

-Mike
Message no. 11
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:29:31 -0500
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At 08:10 PM 12/16/98 -0500, Mike wrote:
>Okay somebody, help me out, any clues as to where I could find
something
>mentioning this, as for some reason or another I believed that the
'tree' was
>Psychotrope.

This information about Deus ranting about Babel betraying him, and how
Deus' pet Banded Otaku refer to all non-banded Otaku as Babel can be
found in the Renraku Arcology: Shutdown Sourcebook-Adventure.

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Message no. 12
From: "D. Ghost" <dghost@****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:21:06 -0600
On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:25:45 -0500 Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
writes:
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>At 12:10 AM 12/15/98 -0600, D.Ghost wrote:
>>>Also, I think it's interesting that any of the Otaku they
>>>got into a fight with (they being the Archangels of Deus)
>>>referred to them as "Babel".

>>actually, they primarily refer to Ronin as Babel ...

>Most likely because Ronin's name used to _be_ Babel. :)

That is correct. I did not, however, err. I correct somebody because
Deus' Angels did not refer to all the Otaku present on Shadowland as
"Babel", only 2. And of all the references to Babel, only once was it
not directed at Ronin.

--
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(aka Pixel, Tantrum, RuPixel)
"Coffee without caffeine is like sex without the spanking." -- Cupid
"A magician is always 'touching' himself" --Page 123, Grimoire (2nd
Edition)

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Message no. 13
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:16:42 -0500
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At 05:21 PM 12/17/98 -0600, D.Ghost wrote:
>That is correct. I did not, however, err. I correct somebody
because
>Deus' Angels did not refer to all the Otaku present on Shadowland as
>"Babel", only 2. And of all the references to Babel, only once was
it
>not directed at Ronin.

And that one other time, it was directed at Syzygy. (What kind of
street name is Syzygy anyway?)

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Message no. 14
From: Michael vanHulst <Schizi@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:54:08 EST
In a message dated 12/17/98 5:26:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,
RunnerPaul@*****.COM writes:

> And that one other time, it was directed at Syzygy. (What kind of
> street name is Syzygy anyway?)
You may not be able to spell it, but at least you won't forget it!
Message no. 15
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:33:52 EST
In a message dated 12/17/1998 8:25:58 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RunnerPaul@*****.COM writes:

>
> And that one other time, it was directed at Syzygy. (What kind of
> street name is Syzygy anyway?)
>
Don't ask me where I got this from, but how about ..

"Since you zipped your garbage"

... (can't recall the "Y" that I came up with for this one)

-K
Message no. 16
From: Bai Shen <baishen@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 21:01:19 -0500
> >Cool book. My only question is, what was that tree 'sposed to
> >accomplish?
> Read Renraku Arcology: Shutdown. The tree is related to Deus in some
> manner, but I'm not sure exactly how ... perhaps Steve or Dave can shed
> some light?

Already read it. Actually read it 'fore I read Technobabel, an' I'm
gettin' ready to read Pyschotrope soon.
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Message no. 17
From: "O'Mordha, Michael" <michael.omordha@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 15:56:46 -0800
Paul Gettle wrote:
And that one other time, it was directed at Syzygy. (What kind of
street name is Syzygy anyway?)
-----
If my memory serves me, syzygy is an astronomical condition with the sun and
moon in some alignment with Earth. depending on how that conjunction works,
it makes sense as a street name, especially if it's something like a terran
eclipse of the moon. any stargazers here with more info??
o'mordha
Message no. 18
From: Starjammer <starjammer@**********.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:00:29 -0500
At 03:56 PM 12/22/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Paul Gettle wrote:
>And that one other time, it was directed at Syzygy. (What kind of
>street name is Syzygy anyway?)
>-----
>If my memory serves me, syzygy is an astronomical condition with the sun and
>moon in some alignment with Earth. depending on how that conjunction works,
>it makes sense as a street name, especially if it's something like a terran
>eclipse of the moon. any stargazers here with more info??
>o'mordha

From the 1995 Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia dictionary:

syz y gy (siz je) n. , pl. -gies [[LL syzygia < Gr < syn- , together +
zygon , YOKE]] 1 a pair of things, esp. a pair of opposites 2 [Rare]
Astron. either of two opposing points in the orbit of a celestial body,
specif. of the moon, at which it is in conjunction with or in opposition to
the sun 3 Gr. & Latin Prosody a measure of two feet, as a dipody sy zyg
i al (s zij e l) adj.


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Message no. 19
From: Scott W <see_scott_run@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Steve K/Technobabel
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 09:23:24 -0800
---"O'Mordha, Michael" <michael.omordha@*****.COM> wrote:
> If my memory serves me, syzygy is an astronomical condition with the
sun and
> moon in some alignment with Earth.

syzygy = sissy guy?

Odd choice of street name.


Scott
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