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Message no. 1
From: Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:42:48 -0500
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At 12:36 AM 11/24/98 -0500, K wrote:
>> In my own campaign, though, it doesn't matter much if the memory
in
>> the BBB3 is FIFF or not, since I normally use Aaron Wigley's House
>> Rule for Headware Memory (I'd give out the URL, but the Archive
isn't
>> back up yet.) which charges a flat 0.4 essence cost for any MP
amounts
>> up to the capacity limit of a single Optical Memory Chip, (Listed
in
>> ShadowBeat). The capacity is still limited by cost (100Y per Mp),
and
>> I haven't had any problems with the houserule.
>
>He (Aaron), took it down eh??? I'm gonna have to egg him for that
one. His
>House Rule is not a bad one, IF the GM in question keeps some degree
of
>monitoring in mind.

No, Mr. Wigley didn't take it down. The people who run The Shadowrun
Archive did. (If Mr. Wigley has this rule up on one of his own pages,
it's still available, but unfortunately, the only URL I had for it was
on the Archive.)

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Message no. 2
From: NightLife <habenir@*****.UC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:04:42 -0500
>No, Mr. Wigley didn't take it down. The people who run The Shadowrun
>Archive did. (If Mr. Wigley has this rule up on one of his own pages,
>it's still available, but unfortunately, the only URL I had for it was
>on the Archive.)

Try this. http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~wigs/Srun/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
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The GameMaster is always Right!
B.A. Felton from "Knights of the Dinner Table"

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Message no. 3
From: nocturnal@*******.NET
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 14:10:32 -0600
NightLife wrote:
>
> >No, Mr. Wigley didn't take it down. The people who run The Shadowrun
> >Archive did. (If Mr. Wigley has this rule up on one of his own pages,
> >it's still available, but unfortunately, the only URL I had for it was
> >on the Archive.)
>
> Try this. http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~wigs/Srun/
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nightlife Inc.
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>
> The GameMaster is always Right!
> B.A. Felton from "Knights of the Dinner Table"
>
>
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Speaking of which... when will the archive be back up? (expects a
carping again) Because we've been patiently waiting for a while; could
someome give us weekly updates on this? Thanks..

Nocturnal, the pain in the ass
Message no. 4
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:58:19 -0700
At 14:10 11/24/98 -0600, nocturnal@*******.NET wrote:

>Speaking of which... when will the archive be back up? (expects a
>carping again) Because we've been patiently waiting for a while; could
>someome give us weekly updates on this? Thanks..

Put this text in your screen saver configuration: "When it's ready".

Now, whenever you want to know when the Archive is up, let your computer
idle until your screen saver comes up.

We will loudly and clearly announce the relaunch of the Archive. If you
miss it, you're blind.

And if this seems bitchy to you, it is. If you, by your own admission, are
being an ass by asking a question, WHY ASK IT?

-Adam

--
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Message no. 5
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:46:55 EST
In a message dated 11/24/1998 12:06:35 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
RunnerPaul@*****.COM writes:

>
> No, Mr. Wigley didn't take it down. The people who run The Shadowrun
> Archive did. (If Mr. Wigley has this rule up on one of his own pages,
> it's still available, but unfortunately, the only URL I had for it was
> on the Archive.)

I asked Aaron last night (I keep in touch with the core operators of my former
PBEM(s)), he said it is probably still up, but he hasn't touched the "yoyo"
site in so long, he wasn't instantly certain what the addy was anymore.

-K
Message no. 6
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:33:26 -0500
Adam J wrote:
> >Speaking of which... when will the archive be back up? (expects a
> >carping again) Because we've been patiently waiting for a while; could
> >someome give us weekly updates on this? Thanks..
>
I sympathize.

> Put this text in your screen saver configuration: "When it's ready".
>
> Now, whenever you want to know when the Archive is up, let your computer
> idle until your screen saver comes up.
>
Personally, I'd much rather the site be up *now* and buggy/incomplete
than have to wait. I'm an impatient lad, and HTML makes it a snap to
add a section at a time. *shrug* Release early, release often. It
works for me.

> We will loudly and clearly announce the relaunch of the Archive. If you
> miss it, you're blind.
>
Everybody knows this by now - that's not the problem. I think most
people are just getting a little twitchy from withdrawal. The Archive
has been down for 3 months now (and the title page *still* says that
it'll be up Sept 1998 ;-) )...

> And if this seems bitchy to you, it is. If you, by your own admission,
> are
> being an ass by asking a question, WHY ASK IT?
>
He didn't say he was being an ass, just that he was likely to get a
carping (accompanied by a large shout of "WHEN IT'S READY!", no doubt).
However, I *don't* think that it's too much for somebody to give an
inkling of how much longer we'll have to wait. Are things almost done?
Half done? Barely started? Are you running into unexpected problems?

People *want* to be sympathetic to any problems/delays that are
occuring, but keeping the thing under a tarp is going to bring out
the conspiracy theories sooner or later...

James Ojaste
Message no. 7
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:49:39 -0800
>Personally, I'd much rather the site be up *now* and buggy/incomplete
>than have to wait. I'm an impatient lad, and HTML makes it a snap to
>add a section at a time. *shrug* Release early, release often. It
>works for me.

Trust me. you didn't want the half finished, barely able to navigate one up
way back when. It was horrid...

>He didn't say he was being an ass, just that he was likely to get a
>carping (accompanied by a large shout of "WHEN IT'S READY!", no doubt).
>However, I *don't* think that it's too much for somebody to give an
>inkling of how much longer we'll have to wait. Are things almost done?
>Half done? Barely started? Are you running into unexpected problems?

Right now, one unexpected problem. The protection on the site, so there. :P

>People *want* to be sympathetic to any problems/delays that are
>occuring, but keeping the thing under a tarp is going to bring out
>the conspiracy theories sooner or later...

Oh.... I *love* conspiracy theories.... Can't be any worse than the ones I
have seriously thought about starting. *grin*

--
Dvixen - dvixen@********.com
Herkimer's Lair - http://coastnet.com/~dvixen
"What's your sign?" - "Trespassers will be shot."
Comments/Questions accepted, flames dropped into tha abyss.
Message no. 8
From: "Ojaste,James [NCR]" <James.Ojaste@**.GC.CA>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:56:28 -0500
Dvixen wrote:
> >He didn't say he was being an ass, just that he was likely to get a
> >carping (accompanied by a large shout of "WHEN IT'S READY!", no doubt).
> >However, I *don't* think that it's too much for somebody to give an
> >inkling of how much longer we'll have to wait. Are things almost done?
> >Half done? Barely started? Are you running into unexpected problems?
>
> Right now, one unexpected problem. The protection on the site, so there.
> :P
>
Ah. A valid reason to not open the site yet. That wasn't so hard,
was it? :-)

> >People *want* to be sympathetic to any problems/delays that are
> >occuring, but keeping the thing under a tarp is going to bring out
> >the conspiracy theories sooner or later...
>
> Oh.... I *love* conspiracy theories.... Can't be any worse than the ones I
> have seriously thought about starting. *grin*
>
<paranoia>
Oh no! *They* have begun seeding false conspiracy stories to misdirect
us true seekers! Email the Lone Gunmen, quick!
</paranoia>

James Ojaste
Message no. 9
From: Dvixen <dvixen@********.COM>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 13:18:25 -0800
>> Oh.... I *love* conspiracy theories.... Can't be any worse than the ones I
>> have seriously thought about starting. *grin*
>>
><paranoia>
>Oh no! *They* have begun seeding false conspiracy stories to misdirect
>us true seekers! Email the Lone Gunmen, quick!
></paranoia>

Heh. The Lone Gunmen shop where I work. I have the video tape to prove it. :>

--
Dvixen - dvixen@********.com
Herkimer's Lair - http://coastnet.com/~dvixen
"What's your sign?" - "Trespassers will be shot."
Comments/Questions accepted, flames dropped into tha abyss.
Message no. 10
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:46:22 -0700
At 14:33 11/25/98 -0500, Ojaste,James [NCR] wrote:

>> Now, whenever you want to know when the Archive is up, let your computer
>> idle until your screen saver comes up.
>>
>Personally, I'd much rather the site be up *now* and buggy/incomplete
>than have to wait. I'm an impatient lad, and HTML makes it a snap to
>add a section at a time. *shrug* Release early, release often. It
>works for me.

When the Archive was going to be down for a few weeks to a month, I would
have said it was better to do it the way we chose to do. After nearly 3
months, I wish we would have rolled it out gradually. Not entirely my
choice though, since I didn't do the majority of the coding on the Archive.
Also, I wasn't the one moving from Italy to Canada in the middle of it.

>> We will loudly and clearly announce the relaunch of the Archive. If you
>> miss it, you're blind.
>>
>Everybody knows this by now - that's not the problem. I think most
>people are just getting a little twitchy from withdrawal. The Archive
>has been down for 3 months now (and the title page *still* says that
>it'll be up Sept 1998 ;-) )...

Hey, it's a FASA game. We're just being like them... :)

(If you think you're twitchy, you should see -us-.)

>> And if this seems bitchy to you, it is. If you, by your own admission,
>> are
>> being an ass by asking a question, WHY ASK IT?
>>
>He didn't say he was being an ass, just that he was likely to get a
>carping (accompanied by a large shout of "WHEN IT'S READY!", no doubt).

I quote from his email: "Nocturnal, the pain in the ass"

(I snipped it the first time because I always snip the persons
name/tagline/sig.)

>However, I *don't* think that it's too much for somebody to give an
>inkling of how much longer we'll have to wait. Are things almost done?
>Half done? Barely started? Are you running into unexpected problems?

Almost done. I say it at least hourly on Undernet #Shadowrun (The first
place that will know..), we're almost done, we're working out last minute
problems, but everyone who's working on it also has a RL job, school, etc.

>People *want* to be sympathetic to any problems/delays that are
>occuring, but keeping the thing under a tarp is going to bring out
>the conspiracy theories sooner or later...

Okay. I'm coming clean.

The Shadowrun Archive has been sold to Microsoft.

-Adam
--
< "I've been to jail, and I've had cops touch me in certain places" >
< -- Marilyn Manson / New URL Soon! / adamj@*********.html.com >
< ShadowRN Assistant Fearless Leader / TSA Co-Admin / ICQ# 2350330 >
< FreeRPG & Shadowrun Webring Co-Admin / The Shadowrun Supplemental >
< TSS : ftp://thor.flashpt.com/pub/srun/ShadowrunSupplemental/pdf >
Message no. 11
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:33:40 EST
In a message dated 11/25/1998 8:46:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
adamj@*********.HTML.COM writes:

>
> Okay. I'm coming clean.
>
> The Shadowrun Archive has been sold to Microsoft.
>
*JUST* for the record, that isn't entirely something funny to say...

-K
Message no. 12
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 00:04:05 -0600
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 11:33 PM

>> Okay. I'm coming clean.
>>
>> The Shadowrun Archive has been sold to Microsoft.
>
>*JUST* for the record, that isn't entirely something funny to say...

I dunno, Keith...I thought it was damned hilarious myself. Considering the
kinda day I've had, I needed the laugh. You might consider lightening up a
little.

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 13
From: Patrick Goodman <remo@***.NET>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 23:56:44 -0600
From: Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 7:46 PM

>Okay. I'm coming clean.
>
>The Shadowrun Archive has been sold to Microsoft.

This would explain a great many things....

--
(>) Texas 2-Step
El Paso: Never surrender. Never forget. Never forgive.
Message no. 14
From: K in the Shadows <Ereskanti@***.COM>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 01:30:49 EST
In a message dated 11/26/1998 1:12:47 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
remo@***.NET writes:

> >> Okay. I'm coming clean.
> >>
> >> The Shadowrun Archive has been sold to Microsoft.
> >
> >*JUST* for the record, that isn't entirely something funny to say...
>
> I dunno, Keith...I thought it was damned hilarious myself. Considering the
> kinda day I've had, I needed the laugh. You might consider lightening up a
> little.

Oh gosh, that ain't how I meant it. Sorry I didn't include the smiley there.
There was a reason though I was wanting to mention it.

Granted, I don't see it happening, but in this psychotic little world of
mergers, buyouts, and "gimme's", anything goes.

And I *was* light on that one.

-K (who is looking around for a brighter bulb to put behind his eyes for those
*people* (exasperated gasping/dramatic shoulder shrugging/arms raising) who
missed the light of sarcasm the first time around... ;P)
Message no. 15
From: "XaOs [David Goth]" <xaos@*****.NET>
Subject: Re: Still No Archive. [was: Headware Memory]
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 17:24:42 -0600
> -K (who is looking around for a brighter bulb to put behind his
> eyes for those
> *people* (exasperated gasping/dramatic shoulder shrugging/arms
> raising) who
> missed the light of sarcasm the first time around... ;P)

Personally, I just read it as a message borne of the frustration involved
with continually needing to answer questions about the missing Archive.

"He said WHAT?! about Microsoft!?" *SNAP* "I gotta respond to that!"



-XaOs-
xaos@*****.net
-David Goth-

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