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From:	Paul Gettle <RunnerPaul@*****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Still No Archive. Why the Secrecy?
Date:	Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:14:01 -0500

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At 06:46 PM 11/25/98 -0700, Adam J wrote:
>When the Archive was going to be down for a few weeks to a month, I
would
>have said it was better to do it the way we chose to do. After nearly
3
>months, I wish we would have rolled it out gradually. Not entirely
my
>choice though, since I didn't do the majority of the coding on the
Archive.
>Also, I wasn't the one moving from Italy to Canada in the middle of
it.

I understand the delays that would plague any project of this size.
However, what I don't understand, and I don't think I'm alone in this,
is why the Archive's admins haven't at least put up a "Coming Soon,
Watch This Space!" page and given out the address to it.

Before the Archive moved, there was a simple, easy to remember URL:
"http://welcome.to/shadowrun/"; that would re-direct people to the
interware.it site (in fact, it still does). As far as I know, the
company that provides that URL, V3, does not charge to change where it
redirects to (at least this is the impression that I get from their
website).

I realize that until Paolo was settled into his new home, there would
have been no way of knowing what the archive's new address would be.
However, interware has allowed Paolo to leave up one page at the old
address. It would have been easy for that page to explain that the
welcome.to/shadowrun address would point to the new site for the
archive, once it was ready to open.

Instead, all we have, is the infamous message sending everyone here to
the list, to wait for an announcement. We've all seen what that's led
to.

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From:	Adam J <adamj@*********.HTML.COM>
Subject:	Re: Still No Archive. Why the Secrecy?
Date:	Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:47:46 -0700

Message no. 2 At 22:14 11/25/98 -0500, Paul Gettle wrote:

>I understand the delays that would plague any project of this size.
>However, what I don't understand, and I don't think I'm alone in this,
>is why the Archive's admins haven't at least put up a "Coming Soon,
>Watch This Space!" page and given out the address to it.

Because there's more than one site being hosted on the new server (Mine
being one of the obvious other ones), and we don't want to give away a list
of all of them, and giving access to the server would prompt people to
start poking around.

We -want- to have a big day where we unveil the new server, all the sites,
etc. The URL has already been leaked enough times, and I'm as much if not
more so guilty for this than any of the others.

>Before the Archive moved, there was a simple, easy to remember URL:
>"http://welcome.to/shadowrun/"; that would re-direct people to the
>interware.it site (in fact, it still does). As far as I know, the
>company that provides that URL, V3, does not charge to change where it
>redirects to (at least this is the impression that I get from their
>website).

That service will be updated when we open the new server. If we updated it
now, it would point you to a nice little user/password login box.

>I realize that until Paolo was settled into his new home, there would
>have been no way of knowing what the archive's new address would be.
>However, interware has allowed Paolo to leave up one page at the old
>address. It would have been easy for that page to explain that the
>welcome.to/shadowrun address would point to the new site for the
>archive, once it was ready to open.

Paolo still owns half of Interware, he just can't continue to use it for a
free site that generates no revenue.

However, I'll do as you say. It's a good idea, we just never figured it
would be necessary. We never thought it would take this long to relaunch
the site.

There. All updated.

>Instead, all we have, is the infamous message sending everyone here to
>the list, to wait for an announcement. We've all seen what that's led
>to.

We've been saying that we would be announcing the new URL in multiple
places the day it goes up. While you can blame us for some of the delays,
you can't blame us for people who don't bother to take our advice and just
ask anyways.

-Adam
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From:	David Lightfinger <lightfinger@****.COM>
Subject:	Re: Still No Archive. Why the Secrecy?
Date:	Wed, 25 Nov 1998 22:50:37 -0600

Message no. 3 Everyday on the IRC channel, I hear the question so often about the
archive that I am about to write a script. :-/

Look folks, Adam, Paolo, and Co. are all trying hard to get the thing up
and going. They are tired, fustrated it isn't up as well, and their
tempers are getting short. Not a good thing.

All they are asking is for some patience with their situation. Is that
too much to ask for? We're all waiting with baited breath for it to
return, but it will be back sooner than FASA updates their website
normally :-) :-)

--David

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