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From:	w32.antidote.b@***.de (W32.Antidote.B)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:27:38 +0200

Message no. 1 Hi all!

What do you think would happen, if two runners do share a
street name in one and the same plex? Especially, if one
runner just arrives from another town, while runner 2 is
a little bit more known in the new plex.
And how will the "Shadow community(tm" react on this?

Interesting adventure ideas are also welcome ;-)

- The Antidote

From:	quisar@******.ambre.net (Benjamin Lerman)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:46:41 +0200

Message no. 2 W32.Antidote.B a écrit :
> What do you think would happen, if two runners do share a
> street name in one and the same plex? Especially, if one
> runner just arrives from another town, while runner 2 is
> a little bit more known in the new plex.
> And how will the "Shadow community(tm" react on this?

Well, the first few days, there might be some confusion on the streets,
then the 2 will know that there's something wrong, and depanding on the
experience of the 2 runners, their caracter, their contacts, one will
change his nick, or one will die...

For the community, well some friend of either one might take side, but
I think the great majority will just follow the score.

At the end, the one that will keep the name will gain some rep, the
other one will lose some (if he is still alive of course...). Because
the new comer does not have really a rep in the new plex, the first in
place might be less inclined to lose the name, and he has more contacts
on the new city, so he has the advantage...

From:	anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:34:47 -0700

Message no. 3 On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:46:41 +0200
Benjamin Lerman <quisar@******.ambre.net> wrote:
> W32.Antidote.B a écrit :
> > What do you think would happen, if two runners do share a
> > street name in one and the same plex? Especially, if one
> > runner just arrives from another town, while runner 2 is
> > a little bit more known in the new plex.
> > And how will the "Shadow community(tm" react on this?
>
> Well, the first few days, there might be some confusion on the streets,
> then the 2 will know that there's something wrong, and depanding on the
> experience of the 2 runners, their caracter, their contacts, one will
> change his nick, or one will die...
>
[FEDRALLY MANDATED SNIP]

Or, the community will assign a variant name to one or both of them, like
'fat' Silverblade, or 'stinky' Marauder. Dont forget that most nicknames are
assigned to people by their peers. And don't forget that in RL, reputation is
such an unmeasurable quality.
--Anders

From:	gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:01:21 +0200

Message no. 4 According to W32.Antidote.B, on Thursday 26 June 2003 14:27 the word on the
street was...

> What do you think would happen, if two runners do share a
> street name in one and the same plex? Especially, if one
> runner just arrives from another town, while runner 2 is
> a little bit more known in the new plex.

Like Anders said, they'd probably give one of the two (probably the new
one) some sort of addition to the name, or a new one altogether.

> And how will the "Shadow community(tm" react on this?

They'd probably tell the new one that he or she isn't <insert nickname
here>, possibly followed by a warning if the person who already goes by
that same street name is the aggressive/vindictive sort.

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From:	flakjacket@*********.com (flakjacket@*********.com)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:45:19 +0100 (BST)

Message no. 5 Antidote wrote:

> What do you think would happen, if two runners do share a
> street name in one and the same plex? Especially, if one
> runner just arrives from another town, while runner 2 is
> a little bit more known in the new plex.
> And how will the "Shadow community(tm" react on this?

Well unless the already established one has the Vindictive flaw or is just an asshole,
probably just like real life. :)

Joe: Hey, who'd you say was involved in that job over on 26th?
Rob: Mike and his mates.
Joe: /Mike/ Mike?
Rob: Nah, big Mike. You know, the one with the hair.
Joe: Ah, gotcha.

From:	sf_fuller@********.com.au (Simon & Fiona)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:18:32 +1000

Message no. 6 ----- Original Message -----
From: W32.Antidote.B <w32.antidote.b@***.de>
To: <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:27 PM
Subject: Street Name used by two different runners

> Hi all!
>
> What do you think would happen, if two runners do share a
> street name in one and the same plex? Especially, if one
> runner just arrives from another town, while runner 2 is
> a little bit more known in the new plex.
> And how will the "Shadow community(tm" react on this?
>
> Interesting adventure ideas are also welcome ;-)
>
> - The Antidote
>

I suppose it depends on how well known they are. I mean there's only so many
Blood/Shadow/Dark/Black/Savage/Evil/Crimson/Death/Doom/Fast/Quick/Slayer/Vip
er/Snake/Scorpion/Wolf/Boy/Girl/Kid combinations to go around, I'm sure
nobody would notice if there were two punks with the nickname "Slick".
Of course, there'd also be people cashing in on the rep of another runner.
That sort of thing happened all the time in lawless areas, and though it
might be harder to pull off in the Information Age, it'd still be worth a
try. There wouldn't be a whole lot the original could do about it, unless
they want to spend all their time chasing up copyright infringements. It
might even work in the original's favour, for escaping the law, in building
a reputation on being in two places at once, and being able to do just about
everything.

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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:17:13 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 7 --- "W32.Antidote.B" <w32.antidote.b@***.de> wrote: >
Hi all!
>
> What do you think would happen, if two runners do
> share a
> street name in one and the same plex? Especially, if
> one
> runner just arrives from another town, while runner
> 2 is
> a little bit more known in the new plex.
> And how will the "Shadow community(tm" react on
> this?
>
> Interesting adventure ideas are also welcome ;-)
>
> - The Antidote

The "Heavy Hitter" of the same name tries to seek out
& destroy the newbie as his lost alot of clients &
beneficourys as a result of "Newbie" of the same name
fraggin' up a good job, giving the "Real Mcoy" a bad
reputation or a hot blooded corp breathing fire down
s/he's neck, the corp in question trying to rectify
situation & extinguish any evidence, association or
knowledge of transgression. Framed prime runner is one
<<sysop:23 char. deleted>> or vice versa :]

GZ- hope idea for run helps

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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:42:03 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 8 --- Simon & Fiona <sf_fuller@********.com.au> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: W32.Antidote.B <w32.antidote.b@***.de>
> To: <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 10:27 PM
> Subject: Street Name used by two different runners
>
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > What do you think would happen, if two runners do
> share a
> > street name in one and the same plex? Especially,
> if one
> > runner just arrives from another town, while
> runner 2 is
> > a little bit more known in the new plex.
> > And how will the "Shadow community(tm" react on
> this?
> >
> > Interesting adventure ideas are also welcome ;-)
> >
> > - The Antidote
> >
>
> I suppose it depends on how well known they are. I
> mean there's only so many
>
Blood/Shadow/Dark/Black/Savage/Evil/Crimson/Death/Doom/Fast/Quick/Slayer/Vip
> er/Snake/Scorpion/Wolf/Boy/Girl/Kid combinations to
> go around, I'm sure
> nobody would notice if there were two punks with the
> nickname "Slick".
> Of course, there'd also be people cashing in on the
> rep of another runner.
> That sort of thing happened all the time in lawless
> areas, and though it
> might be harder to pull off in the Information Age,
> it'd still be worth a
> try. There wouldn't be a whole lot the original
> could do about it, unless
> they want to spend all their time chasing up
> copyright infringements. It
> might even work in the original's favour, for
> escaping the law, in building
> a reputation on being in two places at once, and
> being able to do just about
> everything.

Hmm, I don't think anyone not even myself would want
to copyright my street name, especially when you find
out how I got It. I was dubbed GZ, Ground Zero as a
resut of always seeming to be at the very center of
explosive situations. 2 most noticeable was walking
out of the middle of a maelstrom building block
leveled, & head next to a experimental Macguver style
rocket launcher, I'm also called a "Zero" not a
"Hero", all by team mates, go figure ;)

GZ

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From:	gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:59:36 +0200

Message no. 9 According to Simon & Fiona, on Friday 27 June 2003 08:18 the word on the
street was...

> I'm sure nobody would notice if there were two punks with the nickname
> "Slick".

IMHO, they would -- the shadowrunner community just can't be that big, so
every established runner in a city will know every other one. Now if
you're talking about wannabes and generic street punks, then sure, names
like Slick or Spike or something equally cliche are going to be a dime a
dozen, but if you have two real shadowrunners (whatever those may be :)
both using/having been given the nickname Slick, people will know there
are two, and find ways to differentiate between them.

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From:	SteveG@***********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:47:45 +0200

Message no. 10 Robert Ennew wrote:
> [snip]
>
> knowledge of transgression. Framed prime runner is one
> <<sysop:23 char. deleted>> or vice versa :]

Forgive the (potentially) stupid question, but why does this <sysop> tag
often appear in your posts? Is this some cryptic form of humor, or is that
tag really added by ShadowRN, and if so, why?

Slayer

"Beware my wrath, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup."
- Unknown Dragon

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From:	frontendchaos@**********.com (Jim Montgomery)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 09:59:51 -0400

Message no. 11 > I suppose it depends on how well known they are. I mean there's only so many
> Blood/Shadow/Dark/Black/Savage/Evil/Crimson/Death/Doom/Fast/Quick/Slayer/Vip
> er/Snake/Scorpion/Wolf/Boy/Girl/Kid combinations to go around, I'm sure
> nobody would notice if there were two punks with the nickname "Slick".
> Of course, there'd also be people cashing in on the rep of another runner.
> That sort of thing happened all the time in lawless areas, and though it
> might be harder to pull off in the Information Age, it'd still be worth a
> try. There wouldn't be a whole lot the original could do about it, unless
> they want to spend all their time chasing up copyright infringements. It
> might even work in the original's favour, for escaping the law, in building
> a reputation on being in two places at once, and being able to do just about
> everything.

But if you reeeeally value your name-rep association, if the guy with
your name is weaker than you, you make him switch. Do whatever it
takes. If the other guy is -stronger- than you, you can either cash in
on his rep (while you can) or make him switch. Do whatever it takes.

If either party is apathetic about their name-rep association (like
Spike the gnome decker not caring about Spike the troll sammie), then
... er, then why bother bringing it up in game? =)

Jim

From:	loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:26:49 +0100

Message no. 12 At 09:59 AM 27/6/2003, you wrote:
>According to Simon & Fiona, on Friday 27 June 2003 08:18 the word on the
>street was...
>
> > I'm sure nobody would notice if there were two punks with the nickname
> > "Slick".
>
>IMHO, they would -- the shadowrunner community just can't be that big, so
>every established runner in a city will know every other one. Now if
>you're talking about wannabes and generic street punks, then sure, names
>like Slick or Spike or something equally cliche are going to be a dime a
>dozen, but if you have two real shadowrunners (whatever those may be :)
>both using/having been given the nickname Slick, people will know there
>are two, and find ways to differentiate between them.

I'm reminded, I don't know where I saw it so I can't be sure if it's
canonical or fan-fluff but I suspect it was... <checks> Nope, I thought it
was in the Dunkelzahn article but maybe Shadowbeat...
Anyway, I'm reminded of a mention of a segment in a show entitled something
along the lines of "Why so many Shadowrunners choose the name <Insert
heroic/antiheroic name here>" anyone else remember that? that implies that
it happens a lot (although probably very few of them ever survive their
first op.)

--
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From:	maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 19:56:00 +0200

Message no. 13 Lone Eagle wrote :

> I'm reminded, I don't know where I saw it so I can't be sure if it's
> canonical or fan-fluff but I suspect it was... <checks> Nope, I
> thought it was in the Dunkelzahn article but maybe Shadowbeat...
> Anyway, I'm reminded of a mention of a segment in a show entitled
> something along the lines of "Why so many Shadowrunners choose the
> name <Insert heroic/antiheroic name here>" anyone else remember that?
> that implies that it happens a lot (although probably very few of them
> ever survive their first op.)
>

Heh. That reminds me of the timeline explorer on Blackjack's site:

"2050: Thousands of identical Street Samurai archetypes suddenly appear
out of nowhere, all wielding Ingrams, possessing Wired Reflexes 3, and
sporting scaryish names like 'Killer'."

-- Wild_Cat
maxnoel_fr@*****.fr -- ICQ #85274019
"Look at you hacker... A pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting
and sweating as you run through my corridors... How can you challenge a
perfect, immortal machine?"

From:	tevel@******.com (Tevel Drinkwater)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 2003 23:44:58 -0700

Message no. 14 Lone Eagle <loneeagle@********.co.uk> wrote:

> At 09:59 AM 27/6/2003, you wrote:
>
>> According to Simon & Fiona, on Friday 27 June 2003 08:18 the word on the
>> street was...
>>
>> > I'm sure nobody would notice if there were two punks with the nickname
>> > "Slick".
>>
>> IMHO, they would -- the shadowrunner community just can't be that
>> big, so
>> every established runner in a city will know every other one. Now if
>> you're talking about wannabes and generic street punks, then sure, names
>> like Slick or Spike or something equally cliche are going to be a dime a
>> dozen, but if you have two real shadowrunners (whatever those may be :)
>> both using/having been given the nickname Slick, people will know there
>> are two, and find ways to differentiate between them.
>
>
> I'm reminded, I don't know where I saw it so I can't be sure if it's
> canonical or fan-fluff but I suspect it was... <checks> Nope, I
> thought it was in the Dunkelzahn article but maybe Shadowbeat...
> Anyway, I'm reminded of a mention of a segment in a show entitled
> something along the lines of "Why so many Shadowrunners choose the
> name <Insert heroic/antiheroic name here>" anyone else remember that?
> that implies that it happens a lot (although probably very few of them
> ever survive their first op.)

I don't know about that reference, but it makes sense and sounds sort of
familiar. I do think it was from teh Dunkelzahn interview in a Dragon
or White Wolf magazine many eons ago.

Ultimately I would assume that Street Names are informal anyways.
Another way of looking at it, how many people do you know named John or
Danny? Was there a big fight in Kindergarten over who got to be Dan,
Danny or "The Big D"? (Of course the Big D of my acquaintance was a Dave
[who probably would have been completely ignored by Dunkelzahn {I mean,
he's not *that* big}])

It seems unlikely that there would be a fight over who gets to use a
name. I suppose it might happen, but in most cases some extra
descriptor would simply be added. I.e. if the new Nightblade just came
in from Chicago into Seattle, he'd be "that Chicago Nightblade", and
vice versa when the Seattle "Nightblade" went to Chicago. Likewise big,
little, young, old, downtown, uptown, whatever would probably be added,
informaly in conversation or reference to one or the other. Of course,
if "Nightblade" or whoever is really anal retentive or bloodthirsty,
they might come after the newer "Nightblade", but I don't think it would
be a source of much confusion to others.

Heck, in my recently reborn campaign, one of my veteran players was
having trouble coming up with a "good" street name, so the groups first
fixer dubbed him "Buddy". After a couple adventures he just began
introducing himself as "Mouse" (it was good to him :-). I don't think
the groups fixer was suddenly confused, nor anyone else too concerned.
A Street Samurai by any other name would still smell so stinky.

In the Harlequin adventures, on p. 143 the module provides information
on a different Harlequin than the Harlequin of the title. I don't see
the main Harlequin being all that concerned about that other Harlequin,
course the other Harlequin died summoning an elemental in an example in
the 1st ed. Shadowrun rulebook. There, see? I just wrote a sentence
refering to two different Harlequins!

--
-Tev

Your eyes are weary from staring at the CRT. You feel sleepy. Notice how restful it is to
watch the cursor blink. Close your eyes. The opinions stated above are yours. You cannot
imagine why you ever felt otherwise.

From:	geoff@*************.co.uk (Euphonium)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Sat, 28 Jun 2003 22:24:47 +0100

Message no. 15 Whilst lurking behind a dumpster, I heard Lone Eagle say:-
> I'm reminded, I don't know where I saw it so I can't be sure if it's
> canonical or fan-fluff but I suspect it was... <checks> Nope, I thought it
> was in the Dunkelzahn article but maybe Shadowbeat...
> Anyway, I'm reminded of a mention of a segment in a show entitled
something
> along the lines of "Why so many Shadowrunners choose the name <Insert
> heroic/antiheroic name here>" anyone else remember that? that implies that
> it happens a lot (although probably very few of them ever survive their
> first op.)
>
>
<search running>
...
......
.........
<search complete>
Shadowrun Companion, 2nd Ed, page 8
"Next week on Shadowland's Why I Run series, we'll talk to Kodiak, the guy
who thinks he's a bear, the Black Archer, Seattle's self-proclamed "Avanger
of Justice", 16 runners who all call themselves Nemesis because they weren't
hugged as children, and Theodore Winslow of Lone Star, who will tell us why
shadowrunners pick such stupid street names"

From:	swheel@*****.nb.ca (Scott W)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Sat, 28 Jun 2003 18:49:24 -0300

Message no. 16 ><search complete>
> Shadowrun Companion, 2nd Ed, page 8
>"Next week on Shadowland's Why I Run series, we'll talk to Kodiak, the guy
>who thinks he's a bear, the Black Archer, Seattle's self-proclamed "Avanger
>of Justice", 16 runners who all call themselves Nemesis because they weren't
>hugged as children, and Theodore Winslow of Lone Star, who will tell us why
>shadowrunners pick such stupid street names"

I'm increasingly of the opinion that street names like "Charger,"
"Monolith," and "Lady Death" are silly, goofy things. I mean, we have
crooks nowadays, and they don't go by street names as religiously as
shadowrunners seem to. Nicknames would be the most we see now, I'd say;
Paulie "Walnuts," for example. The whole street name thing reminds me of
superheroes, and that's a departure from reality I don't want my SR
characters to take.

-Boondocker

From:	gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:26:40 +0200

Message no. 17 According to Scott W, on Saturday 28 June 2003 23:49 the word on the street
was...

> I'm increasingly of the opinion that street names like "Charger,"
> "Monolith," and "Lady Death" are silly, goofy things. I mean, we
have
> crooks nowadays, and they don't go by street names as religiously as
> shadowrunners seem to. Nicknames would be the most we see now, I'd say;
> Paulie "Walnuts," for example. The whole street name thing reminds me of
> superheroes, and that's a departure from reality I don't want my SR
> characters to take.

Most of the characters in my group's various SR campaigns had just regular
names, and nicknames often came about the same way they do IRL: because
the other players give them to a character for doing or being something --
such as the shaman Mighty Eagle, who got called Running Eagle a lot by
almost everyone in the group after he ran away from an aggressive spirit.
Another example is of the time when we had two characters called Alex, so
straight from the beginning one got called Alex One and the other was Alex
Two; when later a fight broke out between a third PC and an NPC because
the NPC asked if the PC was called Alex as well (after having been
introduced to the other two Alexes first), that PC promptly got the
nickname Alex Three...

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From:	loneeagle@********.co.uk (Lone Eagle)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Sun, 29 Jun 2003 11:11:18 +0100

Message no. 18 At 10:24 PM 28/6/2003, Euphonium wrote:
><search running>
>...
>......
>.........
><search complete>
> Shadowrun Companion, 2nd Ed, page 8
>"Next week on Shadowland's Why I Run series, we'll talk to Kodiak, the guy
>who thinks he's a bear, the Black Archer, Seattle's self-proclamed "Avanger
>of Justice", 16 runners who all call themselves Nemesis because they weren't
>hugged as children, and Theodore Winslow of Lone Star, who will tell us why
>shadowrunners pick such stupid street names"

That's the one! :D

OK so it's a bit tongue in cheek but it does imply that (to the public
perception at least) multiple 'runners with the same street name is a
common thing.

Gurth mentioned that it shouldn't be that much of a problem because the
shadow community can't be that big. I would suggest that it's bigger than
he suggests... or rather there are more 'runners in Seattle than he implies
he believes. I would put the number of people running the shadows in the
thousands rather than the hundreds. Most of them are rich kids or gangers
or whatever who've seen "Sapphire: Shadowrunner for Hire" and are
sacrificed by the first Johnson to show them a credstick, or who maybe last
as long as three ops. A good chunk of the rest work below or above the
level we normally recognise as 'runners. People like the Chromed Accountant
before he was posting on Shadowland for example.

--
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"Hold up lads, I got an idea."

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From:	geoff@*************.co.uk (Euphonium)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:00:56 +0100

Message no. 19 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
To: "Shadowrun Discussion" <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Street Name used by two different runners

>>Scott W, said
>> I'm increasingly of the opinion that street names like "Charger,"
>> "Monolith," and "Lady Death" are silly, goofy things. I mean,
we have
>> crooks nowadays, and they don't go by street names as religiously as
>> shadowrunners seem to. Nicknames would be the most we see now, I'd say;
>> Paulie "Walnuts," for example. The whole street name thing reminds me
of
>> superheroes, and that's a departure from reality I don't want my SR
>> characters to take.
>
>Gurth followed with
>Most of the characters in my group's various SR campaigns had just regular
>names, and nicknames often came about the same way they do IRL: because
>the other players give them to a character for doing or being something --
>such as the shaman Mighty Eagle, who got called Running Eagle a lot by
>almost everyone in the group after he ran away from an aggressive spirit.
[snip]

I agree. In the best SR campaign I ever ran, at the 1st meet, two of the
PCs didn't have street names, so the troll st.sa, ("Call me J") named them.
The wizkid mage became Stunty the Kid, and the drop dead gorgeous phys.ad
(tiger shifter) became Hot Suff. Gladiator, the self-named robocop clone
became Gladys after he walked in on Hot Stuff while she was using another
false ID talking to the NPC in the opposite appartment, and she needed to
talk to him without using an obvious street name. The PC who was created
with amnesia got called Stevie No-Name by one half of the team, and Ian
Psuedonym byt the other...

Anybody else got any good "how I got my street name" stories?

From:	bandwidthoracle@*********.net (Bandwidth Oracle)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Sun, 29 Jun 2003 13:58:49 -0600

Message no. 20 On Sunday, June 29, 2003, at 08:00 AM, Euphonium wrote:
> Anybody else got any good "how I got my street name" stories?

In our group we have a psionic as well as a shaman, after they met and
where on decent terms the shaman started calling the psionic "spoon
boy".

From:	maxnoel_fr@*****.fr (Max Noel)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:02:11 +0200

Message no. 21 Euphonium wrote :
>
> Anybody else got any good "how I got my street name" stories?

When I want one of my characters to have a street name, I usually try
to come up with a good explanation for it. In some cases it's obvious
(Doc Nitro, elven medic/demolitions expert), in some others it's harder
to guess (quote from my rigger's background: "Yeah, 'Ice'. I know
that's kinda unoriginal, but it's not my fault that my real name is Ian
Clapton and everywhere I go there's a decker who thinks it's smart to
notice the initials for this are IC, is it?").

But what I like even more is cryptic references in false names. The
aforementioned rigger often introduces himself to 'non-important'
people as Duke Hazzard, and my female street samurai liked to go by the
names Alexia Murphy and Stephanie Austin.
The problem is, the others never get the references so I have to
explain them afterwards... :-p

(then there's that one player in the group I GM whose street sam was
actually called Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV...)

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From:	docwagon101@*****.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Mon, 30 Jun 2003 13:40:38 +0100 (BST)

Message no. 22 <snipt!(TM)>
> Most of the characters in my group's various SR
campaigns had just regular names, and nicknames often
came about the same way they do IRL: because the other
players give them to a character for doing or being
something -- such as the shaman Mighty Eagle, who got
called Running Eagle a lot by almost everyone in the
group after he ran away from an aggressive spirit.
Another example is of the time when we had two
characters called Alex, so straight from the beginning
one got called Alex One and the other was Alex Two;
when later a fight broke out between a third PC and an
NPC because the NPC asked if the PC was called Alex as
well (after having been introduced to the other two
Alexes first), that PC promptly got the nickname Alex
Three...
> Gurth@******.nl -

Heh heh heh. See, this is nice and funny, but we seem
to be forgetting why streetnames are used in the first
place. Why? Because they're names for the street.
They're names you use when you're doing ILLEEEEEEGUL
things, boyz'n'gurlz; when you don't want people to
know your real name. So - are you gonna introduce
yourself by your real name all the time until you earn
a nickname, or will you just pick a fake name and use
it?

Now, sure, a lot of Shadowrun street names are odd,
but that's a personal choice. When you pick a fake
name, you could go for intimidating, or nondescript,
but not a real name, or just a regular, but fake,
name. My theory is that the habit of using "non"-names
as streetnames (within the game universe, mind) came
about from two sources. Firstly, the American gang
culture, where, as I understand it, a lot of people
already have handles that resemble your typical
Shadowrun streetname. And secondly, the street sams.
Building on from that gang culture, they would've
already had the idea of using atypical names to hide
their identities, but when it came time to chose their
own handles, they thought about it and decided that
going with something intimidating would be a good way
to get some quick respect. I mean, think about it -
street sams could use real names, but how intimidating
is Dennis, or Nigel the street sam? And how many
Jack's and Max's could there be? And if they went with
"Max Steel", people could think they're a porn star.
:) Equally, how intimidating is your average gang-type
name? It becomes quite simple from the street sam's
POV - pick a tough name, or people aren't going to
take you seriously - but you have to be able to back
it up or they STILL won't take you seriously. And it
grew into all realms of the shadow world from there.

Alternately, there's another possible source - trideo.
Maybe the original shadowrunners used ordinary fake
names, but when the studios decided to make some shows
about shadowrunners, they had to jazz things up -
ergo, flashy streetnames. Everyone trusts TV (well,
everyone in America, at least ;) ), so now everyone
KNOWS that shadowrunners have funky streetnames. Only
the older runners keep their original names, because
they've already got the rep. Anyone else entering the
biz has to pick a flashy name, or no one takes them
seriously.

Or something along those lines. :)

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From:	w32.antidote.b@***.de (W32.Antidote.B)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:52:43 +0200

Message no. 23 > Anybody else got any good "how I got my street name" stories?

Well, there was a non-cybered, non-biowared, mundane StreetSam
with the name Virgo, because he was called like this in his
former gang, because he always stayed a virgin (->virgo) in
terms of cyberware.

- The Antidote

From:	DamionMilliken@*****.com.au (Damion Milliken)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Mon, 30 Jun 2003 23:16:03 +1000

Message no. 24 Doc' writes:

> So - are you gonna introduce
> yourself by your real name all the time until you earn
> a nickname, or will you just pick a fake name and use
> it?

Runners in my last game tended to pick their own street name to start with,
and they _tried_ to use it. However, much like Gurth's runners, they sooner
or later ended up with street names that were assigned to them.

Take the runner formerly known as "Gruntius Maximus". A Troll Street Sam (as
if you couldn't guess :P). His name shortly got shortened to "Grunt". For a
year or so, maybe more, this name stuck. However, he is now rather well
known as "Ground Zero", or just "Zero". The name he picked has faded
into
oblivion. I believe that Rob has already given the reasoning for this name,
but it revolves around a few (repeated, and continuous) circumstances where
the character was always at the central point in spectacularly large
explosions. The "Zero" extension/contraction has the additional meaning of
somewhat slighting the character's intelligence, and is often used by his
team mates when they have to introduce him to NPCs, as a sort of friendly
jab.

Then there's the runner former known as "Spinout", as you might have
guessed, a Rigger. For several months this name stuck. However, the
character is a Gnome, who had a habit of rigging from the glove box. Seeing
as the character used to hang out in the _glove_box_ all the time, he earned
the street name "Glove". That's what you put in a glove box, after all ;-).

Then there's the runner known as "Blat Man". Nobody can remember what street
name he started the game with, because about 15 minutes after he entered the
game he had already half earned his street name. The name has a double
meaning. At around that 15 minute mark, the character died, and had to used
Hand of God. That was one of the quickest Hand of God uses I've ever seen.
Also, the character is a Troll Merc, and he can dish out the damage. The
very next session he was known as "Blat Man". Most people he meets assume
that his street name is because of the latter characteristic. His team mates
know that it's just as much due to the former ;-).

There's also the runner who used to introduce himself with simply a fake
real name, "Yuen". He was a Chinese Adept of some significant martial skill.
His team mates soon began calling him "The Beast From The East", and hence
his street name was born.

I really like this method of determining street names, as it adds real
flavour, roleplaying, and history to the game.

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From:	silvercat@***********.org (Jonathan Hurley)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:42:03 -0400

Message no. 25 I've got a night one who answers to either Tabbycat or Catman - due to a
large amount of stupidity as a youth he got himself (deliberately)
scarred to show tabby patterns in his fur as a gang symbol.

(Note: exotic metatypes in my game get Distinctive appearance for 0
points, and usually get trimmed back to standard stats for the base
metatype)

"I suppose this is what I get for letting rednecks play with
anti-matter; they just don't know when to say 'Okay, that's 'nough!'
Instead, it's always 'Hey' y'all! Watch this!'"
When the Devil Dances, John Ringo

Ian Argent
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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:03:56 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 26 --- Steve Garrard <SteveG@***********.co.za> wrote: >
Robert Ennew wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > knowledge of transgression. Framed prime runner is
> one
> > <<sysop:23 char. deleted>> or vice versa :]
>
> Forgive the (potentially) stupid question, but why
> does this <sysop> tag
> often appear in your posts? Is this some cryptic
> form of humor, or is that
> tag really added by ShadowRN, and if so, why?

It's not stupid to ask at all Slayer, I was actually
wondering when someone would actually pick up on this
:) In a way It is a form of cryptic humour & I wish It
was really added by ShadowRN. I'm trying to add a
little stylishness to my posts by giving It the
appearance of "Shadowtalk" from "Shadowland" BB, you
know like the system operator deleting certain amounts
of sensitive or elegal information, street sammie,
cybertechnology, feilds fire etc.

GZ
>
> "Beware my wrath, for you are crunchy and taste good
> with ketchup."
> - Unknown
> Dragon
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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:41:07 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 27 --- Scott W <swheel@*****.nb.ca> wrote: >
> ><search complete>
> > Shadowrun Companion, 2nd Ed, page 8
> >"Next week on Shadowland's Why I Run series, we'll
> talk to Kodiak, the guy
> >who thinks he's a bear, the Black Archer, Seattle's
> self-proclamed "Avanger
> >of Justice", 16 runners who all call themselves
> Nemesis because they weren't
> >hugged as children, and Theodore Winslow of Lone
> Star, who will tell us why
> >shadowrunners pick such stupid street names"
>
> I'm increasingly of the opinion that street names
> like "Charger,"
> "Monolith," and "Lady Death" are silly, goofy
> things. I mean, we have
> crooks nowadays, and they don't go by street names
> as religiously as
> shadowrunners seem to. Nicknames would be the most
> we see now, I'd say;
> Paulie "Walnuts," for example. The whole street name
> thing reminds me of
> superheroes, and that's a departure from reality I
> don't want my SR
> characters to take.

Mr Boondocker If your of the opinion that nicknames on
the street are silly & people ridicule themselves by
pretending to be superheroes or vigilantis let me me
point you to a RL reference Mark Brandon "Chopper"
Read. If your Australian you'll know the name well,
but their was a movie made with Eric Banna (spooky
spiiting image :) & apparently Bolliwood & the rest of
the world loved It compared to the more immediate
Australian & NZ public :)

GZ- I've got a mate who's uncles John "Cowboy"
something, now that guys scary, he was "choppers"
closest mate & now hates "chopper" & calls him a
"pussy" publically I might add;)

GZ
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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:48:03 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 28 --- Euphonium <geoff@*************.co.uk> wrote: >
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gurth" <gurth@******.nl>
> To: "Shadowrun Discussion"
> <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Street Name used by two different
> runners
>
>
> >>Scott W, said
> >> I'm increasingly of the opinion that street
> names like "Charger,"
> >> "Monolith," and "Lady Death" are silly, goofy
> things. I mean, we have
> >> crooks nowadays, and they don't go by street
> names as religiously as
> >> shadowrunners seem to. Nicknames would be the
> most we see now, I'd say;
> >> Paulie "Walnuts," for example. The whole street
> name thing reminds me of
> >> superheroes, and that's a departure from reality
> I don't want my SR
> >> characters to take.
> >
> >Gurth followed with
> >Most of the characters in my group's various SR
> campaigns had just regular
> >names, and nicknames often came about the same way
> they do IRL: because
> >the other players give them to a character for
> doing or being something --
> >such as the shaman Mighty Eagle, who got called
> Running Eagle a lot by
> >almost everyone in the group after he ran away from
> an aggressive spirit.
> [snip]
>
> I agree. In the best SR campaign I ever ran, at
> the 1st meet, two of the
> PCs didn't have street names, so the troll st.sa,
> ("Call me J") named them.
> The wizkid mage became Stunty the Kid, and the drop
> dead gorgeous phys.ad
> (tiger shifter) became Hot Suff. Gladiator, the
> self-named robocop clone
> became Gladys after he walked in on Hot Stuff while
> she was using another
> false ID talking to the NPC in the opposite
> appartment, and she needed to
> talk to him without using an obvious street name.
> The PC who was created
> with amnesia got called Stevie No-Name by one half
> of the team, and Ian
> Psuedonym byt the other...
>
> Anybody else got any good "how I got my street name"
> stories?

Yeah I already told mine but I don't think anyone
listens, maybe If some of the players like jimmy or Gm
Damion "milko" Milliken told It someone would find It
Interisting or humorous ;)

GZ

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From:	w32.antidote.b@***.de (W32.Antidote.B)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:08:59 +0200

Message no. 29 > Mr Boondocker If your of the opinion that nicknames on
> the street are silly & people ridicule themselves by
> pretending to be superheroes or vigilantis let me me
> point you to a RL reference Mark Brandon "Chopper"
> Read. If your Australian you'll know the name well,
> but their was a movie made with Eric Banna (spooky
> spiiting image :) & apparently Bolliwood & the rest of
> the world loved It compared to the more immediate
> Australian & NZ public :)

And for all the non-Australian people here: Who the heck is
that guy you are talking about? :O)

- The Antidote

From:	swheel@*****.nb.ca (Scott W)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:09:02 -0300

Message no. 30 >Mr Boondocker If your of the opinion that nicknames on
>the street are silly & people ridicule themselves by
>pretending to be superheroes or vigilantis

For the most part, yes, I am. I guess it's a case by case thing... maybe
I've seen it too much in fan-fic where EVERYONE calls a character by their
street name (even their lover and their dentist), something like "Cold
Heart" that's just daffy. Like many people have said, street names come
across as much more believable when there's a story behind them. I'd also
say that they are more believable when they aren't the typical I'm-So-Bad
name (sorry Doc', but the notion of street sams trying to get respect by
calling themselves "Killer" doesn't wash with me) but are more
incomprehensible and/or silly.

>let me me
>point you to a RL reference Mark Brandon "Chopper"
>Read. If your Australian you'll know the name well,
>but their was a movie made with Eric Banna (spooky
>spiiting image :) & apparently Bolliwood & the rest of
>the world loved It compared to the more immediate
>Australian & NZ public :)

I was actually down in Oz when Chopper came out and I heard a lot of
good reviews from Aussies, too.

-Boondocker

From:	dreamrhythm@*******.com (Dream Rhythm)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:29:53 -0400

Message no. 31 >Mr Boondocker If your of the opinion that nicknames on
>the street are silly & people ridicule themselves by
>pretending to be superheroes or vigilantis let me me
>point you to a RL reference Mark Brandon "Chopper"
>Read. If your Australian you'll know the name well,
>but their was a movie made with Eric Banna (spooky
>spiiting image :) & apparently Bolliwood & the rest of
>the world loved It compared to the more immediate
>Australian & NZ public

That's because the rest of the world doesn't realize just how much of a
retard 'Chopper' really is!

As an aside, last I heard he had turned his talents to writing children's
books.

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From:	dreamrhythm@*******.com (Dream Rhythm)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:34:47 -0400

Message no. 32 >And for all the non-Australian people here: Who the heck is that guy you
>are talking about?

He's basically just a thug that gained fame by cutting off his own ears in
jail, and narcing out his underworld contacts.

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From:	allura@***********.org (Allura nee Gwendolyn nee Veren)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:26:00 -0400

Message no. 33 Hmm...our group tends to use whatever the player picked. Although
there's an NPC that my PC constantly calls by his old name, since she
tends to forget (and dissapproves of) the new one. Was Quicksilver, now
TinMan. My first (and oldest) char I went with NightWing, not knowing
anything about the comic at the time. I think I had
Blade-something-or-other as her pre-"live" name. Now, she goes by
Akeru, which is theoretically Japanese for "dawn". No idea if the
translater I grabbed on the web is right, though....Sounds good, anyway,
and fits.

Other chars have been Sallah (elven street sam), and Red (fire mage
<g>).

Joanna

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From:	gurth@******.nl (Gurth)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:07:29 +0200

Message no. 34 According to Allura nee Gwendolyn nee Veren, on Wednesday 02 July 2003
02:26 the word on the street was...

> Hmm...our group tends to use whatever the player picked.

Half the players in my group usually complain that that's exactly what
_doesn't_ happen :) They're partly right, of course, because if your
character's back story says <street name> was given at some point in his
or her past, then the other PCs would use it like they use a nickname the
players have thought up themselves for the same character.

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From:	docwagon101@*****.com (Rand Ratinac)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:47:49 +0100 (BST)

Message no. 35 <snipt!(TM)>
> (sorry Doc', but the notion of street sams trying to
get respect by calling themselves "Killer" doesn't
wash with me)
> -Boondocker

Well hell, man, it doesn't wash with me either. I'd
laugh at a guy who called himself "Killer". :) On the
other hand, if he was a huge bastard with metal all
over him (especially cybereyes - I think obvious
cybereyes would be the creepiest thing you could ever
have) and many, many guns, I think I'd take him a lot
more serious if he called himself Nemesis than if he
called himself Raoul. :) It's as much about the
attitude and the appearance as the name (and you've
gotta pick a decent name, too :) ).

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From:	anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Wed, 02 Jul 2003 08:23:36 -0700

Message no. 36 On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:47:49 +0100 (BST)
Rand Ratinac <docwagon101@*****.com> wrote:
> <snipt!(TM)>
> > (sorry Doc', but the notion of street sams trying to
> get respect by calling themselves "Killer" doesn't
> wash with me)
> > -Boondocker

...

> I think I'd take him a lot more serious if he called himself Nemesis than
>if he called himself Raoul. :) It's as much about the attitude and the
>appearance as the name (and you've gotta pick a decent name, too :) ).

I've been contrarian by using real-type names over recent years. I have been
naming a series of characters after types in Don Westlake's Dortmunder
stories. I'll use a nickname if there's a twist or something.
--Anders

From:	sf_fuller@********.com.au (Simon & Fiona)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Thu, 3 Jul 2003 12:53:24 +1000

Message no. 37 On the subject of "kewl" street names, I've been considering Hiphop artists.
Many build a reputation on being scary, gangsta rap and all that. But look
at the names of your Hiphop artists. Eminem (a chocolate snack), 50 Cent
(Might have some other meaning, but small change), Notorious B.I.G. (fatso),
P. Diddy (I don't know, he's an idiot). It almost seems like there's more
value in taking a semi-comical name. I suppose it's what you do with your
name, not it's edginess.

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From:	alex.case@*******.net (Alex Case)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Wed, 02 Jul 2003 21:53:32 -0700

Message no. 38 ---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment
At 12:53 PM 7/3/03 +1000, you wrote:
>On the subject of "kewl" street names, I've been considering Hiphop artists.
>Many build a reputation on being scary, gangsta rap and all that. But look
>at the names of your Hiphop artists. Eminem (a chocolate snack)

Marshall Mather's (sp?) initials

>, 50 Cent (Might have some other meaning, but small change)

Drug connotation, related to the size of a bag of Pot.

>, Notorious B.I.G. (fatso),

Okay... this one kind of works.

>P. Diddy (I don't know, he's an idiot).

Used to be "Puff Daddy" but Sean Combs changed his stage name after the
incident in the night club a while back. He was attempting to look more...
shall we say, legit.

> It almost seems like there's more
>value in taking a semi-comical name. I suppose it's what you do with your
>name, not it's edginess.

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Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:05:50 +0200

Message no. 39 Alex Case wrote:
> [snip]
>
> >, 50 Cent (Might have some other meaning, but small change)
>
> Drug connotation, related to the size of a bag of Pot.

Uhh no, that would be a dimebag.

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From:	dreamrhythm@*******.com (Dream Rhythm)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Thu, 03 Jul 2003 13:03:49 -0400

Message no. 40 On the subject of 50 Cent's name, I've heard from several sources that it is
the $ value of the lead that is still in his body from being shot. Whether
that is true or not, it makes a cool story if you're a Gangsta.

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From:	alex.case@*******.net (Alex Case)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Thu, 03 Jul 2003 15:29:01 -0700

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>Alex Case wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > >, 50 Cent (Might have some other meaning, but small change)
> >
> > Drug connotation, related to the size of a bag of Pot.
>
>Uhh no, that would be a dimebag.

I don't know. I heard someone mentioning they had bought a .50 Cent bag on
the Tri-Met bus yesterday. And I know they were referring to pot as the
discussion the two people were having was in regards to Pot.

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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 4 Jul 2003 17:51:12 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 42 --- Dream Rhythm <dreamrhythm@*******.com> wrote: >
>Mr Boondocker If your of the opinion that nicknames
> on
> >the street are silly & people ridicule themselves
> by
> >pretending to be superheroes or vigilantis let me
> me
> >point you to a RL reference Mark Brandon "Chopper"
> >Read. If your Australian you'll know the name well,
> >but their was a movie made with Eric Banna (spooky
> >spiiting image :) & apparently Bolliwood & the rest
> of
> >the world loved It compared to the more immediate
> >Australian & NZ public
>
> That's because the rest of the world doesn't realize
> just how much of a
> retard 'Chopper' really is!
>
> As an aside, last I heard he had turned his talents
> to writing children's
> books.
>
> Fortune

Yeah sid 'own while uncle chop chop tells you a story,
like about the pop up, cardboard, wanna be mafia
clowns. Yeah he's good at telling fables, as he says
"Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn".
That'll teach you kids for staying up late way past
your bedtime, uncle chop chop's gonna tell you scary
stories to scare the pants of you & warp your fragile
little minds so you can all copy & say "I wanna be
like chop" ;)

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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 4 Jul 2003 18:09:43 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 43 --- Simon & Fiona <sf_fuller@********.com.au> wrote:
> On the subject of "kewl" street names, I've been
> considering Hiphop artists.
> Many build a reputation on being scary, gangsta rap
> and all that. But look
> at the names of your Hiphop artists. Eminem (a
> chocolate snack), 50 Cent
> (Might have some other meaning, but small change),
> Notorious B.I.G. (fatso),
> P. Diddy (I don't know, he's an idiot). It almost
> seems like there's more
> value in taking a semi-comical name. I suppose it's
> what you do with your
> name, not it's edginess.

I thought the dumbest name picked for a while by a
band was worst then smart arse boy (eminem:) & that
was Chocolate starfish, then It dawned on we why they
would call themselves such a stupid name, when they
were asked why on "Hey Hey It's Saturday" by I think
Darryle Somers, Melly Meldrum went Red with
embarrassment & Red Simons sniggered as It was obvious
they were a bunch of <<Sysop:20 char. deleted>>

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From:	SteveG@***********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 4 Jul 2003 12:06:03 +0200

Message no. 44 Alex Case wrote:
> At 02:05 PM 7/3/03 +0200, you wrote:
> >Alex Case wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > >, 50 Cent (Might have some other meaning, but small change)
> > >
> > > Drug connotation, related to the size of a bag of Pot.
> >
> >Uhh no, that would be a dimebag.
>
> I don't know. I heard someone mentioning they had bought a
> .50 Cent bag on
> the Tri-Met bus yesterday. And I know they were referring to
> pot as the
> discussion the two people were having was in regards to Pot.

What country is that in?

Slayer

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From:	alex.case@*******.net (Alex Case)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Fri, 04 Jul 2003 17:26:40 -0700

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> > I don't know. I heard someone mentioning they had bought a
> > .50 Cent bag on
> > the Tri-Met bus yesterday. And I know they were referring to
> > pot as the
> > discussion the two people were having was in regards to Pot.
>
>What country is that in?

As in where I am? USA (specifically, Oregon).

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From:	sf_fuller@********.com.au (Simon & Fiona)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Sat, 5 Jul 2003 17:41:42 +1000

Message no. 46 > > As an aside, last I heard he had turned his talents
> > to writing children's
> > books.
> >
> > Fortune

Uh, yes and no. The "childrens' book" featured a drug addicted prostitute
who ended up hanging from a barbed wire fence, if memory serves. Just more
attention seeking, in other words.

I think he's still on tour with Mark "Jacko" Jackson, doing some kind of
spoken-word thing.

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From:	robertennew@*****.com.au (Robert Ennew)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:58:17 +1000 (EST)

Message no. 47 --- Simon & Fiona <sf_fuller@********.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > As an aside, last I heard he had turned his
> talents
> > > to writing children's
> > > books.
> > >
> > > Fortune
>
> Uh, yes and no. The "childrens' book" featured a
> drug addicted prostitute
> who ended up hanging from a barbed wire fence, if
> memory serves. Just more
> attention seeking, in other words.
>
> I think he's still on tour with Mark "Jacko"
> Jackson, doing some kind of
> spoken-word thing.

Yeah at $50 bucks a pop the guy(s) sure know how to
cash In on naive suckers but not me. As If they don't
both have enough money & attention already, bastards
:)

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From:	SteveG@***********.co.za (Steve Garrard)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:14:12 +0200

Message no. 48 Alex Case wrote:
> At 12:06 PM 7/4/03 +0200, you wrote:
> > > I don't know. I heard someone mentioning they had bought a
> > > .50 Cent bag on
> > > the Tri-Met bus yesterday. And I know they were referring to
> > > pot as the
> > > discussion the two people were having was in regards to Pot.
> >
> >What country is that in?
>
> As in where I am? USA (specifically, Oregon).

Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?

Slayer

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From:	anders@**********.com (Anders Swenson)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Mon, 07 Jul 2003 09:20:01 -0700

Message no. 49 On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:14:12 +0200
Steve Garrard <SteveG@***********.co.za> wrote:
> Alex Case wrote:
> > >What country is that in?
> >
> > As in where I am? USA (specifically, Oregon).
>
> Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?
>
>
> Slayer

Very few half dollars are around these days. Everybody just uses 2 quarters!
--Anders

From:	datwinkdaddy@*******.com (Da Twink Daddy)
Subject:	Street Name used by two different runners
Date:	Mon, 07 Jul 2003 12:44:20 -0500

Message no. 50 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Garrard" <SteveG@***********.co.za>
> Alex Case wrote:
> > At 12:06 PM 7/4/03 +0200, you wrote:

> > > > I don't know. I heard someone mentioning they had bought a
> > > > .50 Cent bag on
> > > > the Tri-Met bus yesterday.

> > >What country is that in?

> > As in where I am? USA (specifically, Oregon).

> Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?

And that has what to do with the price of rice in China? A dimebag
sure as hell doesn't cost a dime, and you probably won't find one for
$10, though maybe if the supply is good and the weed is bad. A 50
cent bag would be a bag containing .50 oz. of weed.

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Message no. 51 According to Anders Swenson, on Monday 07 July 2003 18:20 the word on the
street was...

> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:14:12 +0200 Steve Garrard
> <SteveG@***********.co.za> wrote:
>
> > Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?

Would you mind explaining the point of this to those of us who don't know
what an American 50-cent coin looks like? :)

> Very few half dollars are around these days. Everybody just uses 2
> quarters!

Come to the EU :) Paying with a 50-cent piece is easier than with two of 20
and one of 10 cents.

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>Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?

If memory serves, it's big and it's got JFK's head on it (though I could be
wrong, as it's been a while since I've seen a 50 Cent piece.

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Message no. 53 At 12:42 PM 7/7/2003 -0700, Alex Case wrote:
>At 11:14 AM 7/7/03 +0200, you wrote:
>>Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?
>
>If memory serves, it's big and it's got JFK's head on it (though I could
>be wrong, as it's been a while since I've seen a 50 Cent piece.

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Message no. 54 >If memory serves, it's big and it's got JFK's head on it (though I could
>be
>wrong, as it's been a while since I've seen a 50 Cent piece.

Honestly there are two "50 cent" coins, one is referred to as the Franklin
half and the other is the Kennedy half, for pictures please refer to the URL
http://www.kelleyscoins.com/us-coins/

but, just out of curiousity, what do US coins, dime bags, weed and tri-met
buses, not to mention the price of rice in China have to do with Shadow Run
RPG?

Tarot Card
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Message no. 55 On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:27:21 -0500
"Taro Card" <taro_card@*********.net> wrote:

> but, just out of curiousity, what do US coins, dime bags, weed and tri-met
> buses, not to mention the price of rice in China have to do with Shadow Run
> RPG?

Local color. Lots of us straights do not have a clue about the street life we
do all the time in out games.

--Anders

Message no. 56 Anders Swenson wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 11:14:12 +0200
> Steve Garrard <SteveG@***********.co.za> wrote:
> > Alex Case wrote:
> > > >What country is that in?
> > >
> > > As in where I am? USA (specifically, Oregon).
> >
> > Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?
> >
> >
> > Slayer
>
> Very few half dollars are around these days. Everybody just
> uses 2 quarters!
> --Anders

My point exactly. Who refers to a 50 cent bag when 50 cent pieces are no
longer in production. I'm willing to wager that banks don't even have 50
cent bags.

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Message no. 57 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Garrard" <SteveG@***********.co.za>
> Anders Swenson wrote:
> > Steve Garrard <SteveG@***********.co.za> wrote:
> > > Alex Case wrote:

> > > > As in where I am? USA (specifically, Oregon).

> > > Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?

> > Very few half dollars are around these days.

> My point exactly. Who refers to a 50 cent bag when 50 cent pieces
are no
> longer in production.

And my point is that the presence or absence of the coinage has little
to do with the use of the term for the bags. The denomination is just
"code" for the wight of the contents of the bag. If .50 oz. bags are
common in an area and the terms "dimebag" and "quarter sack" are
already around, someone (and probably many someones) will start
reefer... er, referring to them as 50 cent bags.

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Message no. 58 Da Twink Daddy wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Garrard" <SteveG@***********.co.za>
> > Alex Case wrote:
> > > At 12:06 PM 7/4/03 +0200, you wrote:
>
> > > > > I don't know. I heard someone mentioning they had bought a
> > > > > .50 Cent bag on
> > > > > the Tri-Met bus yesterday.
>
> > > >What country is that in?
>
> > > As in where I am? USA (specifically, Oregon).
>
> > Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?
>
> And that has what to do with the price of rice in China? A dimebag
> sure as hell doesn't cost a dime, and you probably won't find one for
> $10, though maybe if the supply is good and the weed is bad. A 50
> cent bag would be a bag containing .50 oz. of weed.

It's not the cost of the bag, it what is normally stored in it by banks. A
dimebag is used by banks to hold dimes.

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Message no. 59 Taro Card wrote:
> [snip]
>
> but, just out of curiousity, what do US coins, dime bags,
> weed and tri-met buses, not to mention the price of rice in
> China have to do with Shadow Run RPG?

Sorry, we have gotten rather seriously OT on this one haven't we? I can't
even remember how this topic got started :/

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Message no. 60 Da Twink Daddy wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Garrard" <SteveG@***********.co.za>
> > Anders Swenson wrote:
> > > Steve Garrard <SteveG@***********.co.za> wrote:
> > > > Alex Case wrote:
>
> > > > > As in where I am? USA (specifically, Oregon).
>
> > > > Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?
>
> > > Very few half dollars are around these days.
>
> > My point exactly. Who refers to a 50 cent bag when 50 cent pieces
> are no
> > longer in production.
>
> And my point is that the presence or absence of the coinage has little
> to do with the use of the term for the bags. The denomination is just
> "code" for the wight of the contents of the bag. If .50 oz. bags are
> common in an area and the terms "dimebag" and "quarter sack" are
> already around, someone (and probably many someones) will start
> reefer... er, referring to them as 50 cent bags.

Alright, I see your point. I hadn't thought of that. In my world, if it's
called a 50 cent bag, it's normally used to store 50 cent pieces. Hence the
confusion.

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From: "Steve Garrard" <SteveG@***********.co.za>
> Da Twink Daddy wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Garrard" <SteveG@***********.co.za>
> > > Alex Case wrote:
> > > > At 12:06 PM 7/4/03 +0200, you wrote:
> > > > > > I heard someone mentioning they had bought a
> > > > > > .50 Cent bag on
> > > > > > the Tri-Met bus yesterday.

> > > > >What country is that in?

> > > > USA

> > > Okay, and a US 50 cent piece looks like what?

> > And that has what to do with the price of rice in China? A
dimebag
> > sure as hell doesn't cost a dime. A 50
> > cent bag would be a bag containing .50 oz. of weed.

> It's not the cost of the bag, it what is normally stored in it by
banks. A
> dimebag is used by banks to hold dimes.

Not in my neck of the woods. All the bags I've ever um, seen in
police sample cases were quite non-descript and simple. Usually
plastic single sandwich baggies for dimebags (.10 oz.) and larger thin
plastic bags for quarter sacks (.25 oz.). Neither type was intended
to be reusable (as I'm assuming a banks bags would be) never even so
much as a zip-lock seal on the top. I've always had the impression
that the "denominations" corresponded to the amount of the contents,
specifically the weight.

Also, though I could be critically wrong, I always assumed banks isn't
have containers for specific denominations above rolls / "stacks"* (50
pennies = .50$ roll, 40 quarters = 10$ roll, 50 twenties = 100$
"stack").

* I know there's a more correct term for this, but it escapes me, ATM.

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Message no. 62 OK, last time I started thinking about this subject, my post derailed
everyone into talking about 50 cent. But anyway, here's what I've bee
thinking.

Professional wrestlers often have comic book names (and costumes). I don't
follow wrestling, but there's people like The Rock, Stone Cold, and The
Undertaker. Thay also have names like Mankind, or even just their real (or
assumed) names. Once again, it seems that it's more the reputation that you
pin to the name than the name istelf. I'd imagine that your style would
dictate what kind of name you take. If you love media attention and have a
fan club, or just a big rep among the underworld that you take pains to
build on, then you're more likely to have a flashy, in-your-face name that
matches your persona. If you're more undercover espionage, you'd have an
understated name like "The Colonel" or "Mr Smith". A lot of runners
who sit
somewhere in the middle would just use their real names, a nickname, or an
assumed name.

The first would strongly protect their name, they're a product, after all.
The second really wouldn't care, they chose their name because it's bland
after all, and anyone so professional would assume that anyone who needs to
know would know which Mr Smith they were after. The third probably wouldn't
mind too much if they shared a name, but might go to lengths to seperate
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Message no. 63 Simon & Fiona wrote:

> Professional wrestlers often have comic book names (and costumes).

Yes. But professional criminals do not.

> I'd imagine that your style would dictate what kind of name you take.

This is the intrinsic problem I have with street names; you
generally don't *choose* them. They get chosen for you. Think about all
the people you know who have nicknames. Did *any* of them give those
nicknames to themselves? Or were they merely affectations used by friends
and associates that were usually based on inside jokes? I know of one guy
who tried to give himself a nickname in our group of friends, and we still
heap scorn and derision on him for it. ;)
Furthermore, nicknames are almost universally contractions or
shortened ways of referring to people. That is, a convenience. So rather
than long, complicated, impressive streetnames, I'd imagine that they'd be
short, sweet, and a few syllables.
About the only area where I can see "street names" being useful is
for deckers, and that's simply because self-selected "handles" are a well
established practice in the online world. But for regular guys? Let me ask
it this way, what would your opinion of a guy be if he sat down at a meet
and introduced himself as "The Man With No Name?" Or, "Hi, I'm the Chrome
Ninja." Pretty hokey, no?
But what about, "Hey, I'm Nicky, but my friends call me 'Pike.'"
"'Pike?' Why 'Pike?'"
"Unfortunate fishing accident. Shall we get down to business?"

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Message no. 64 Renouf, Marc A wrote :

>
> About the only area where I can see "street names" being useful is
> for deckers, and that's simply because self-selected "handles" are a
> well
> established practice in the online world. But for regular guys? Let
> me ask
> it this way, what would your opinion of a guy be if he sat down at a
> meet
> and introduced himself as "The Man With No Name?" Or, "Hi, I'm the
> Chrome
> Ninja." Pretty hokey, no?

Mmh, technically "The Man With No Name" wouldn't introduce himself at
all. It'd be more something like,
"Hi."
"What's your name?"
"You don't need to know. Besides, you know that if I were to give you
a name it'd be false, just as you'd give me a false name if I were to
ask, which is why I didn't ask you in the first place. Now shall we get
to business?"

...but that's just me being picky ;-p. Your point stands, nicknames
are usually given by other people.
A couple of sessions ago, a new character was introduced, an otaku who
wouldn't tell us his real name or at least a nickname ("you can call me
Peter Jackson"). Needless to say (and thanks to me ;p ) he quickly
earned a sucky nickname that stuck... Junior.

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Message no. 65 Simon & Fiona" <sf_fuller@********.com.au>
said:

>If you love media attention and have a
fan club, or just a big rep among the underworld that you take pains to
build on, then you're more likely to have a flashy, in-your-face name that
matches your persona.
>If you're more undercover espionage, you'd have an
understated name like "The Colonel" or "Mr Smith".
>A lot of runners who sit
somewhere in the middle would just use their real names, a nickname, or an
assumed name.

There is another kind, that make a 4th category. The ultra-paranoid or
complete loser-ganger. Both tend to take and drop new streetnames all the
time. The ultra-paranoid does it because he is sure "they" are out to get
him, so he should always change ID, including streetname, address, etc. This
one would LOVE if someone else took the same streetname so all the heat can
go to the newbie.

The ganger-loser tends to go with trends. Maybe he was in the JF Kennedies
poser-gang one month, in a die-hard paramilitary rock band fan-club the
next, and since the lead singer died decided to give the Universal
Brotherhood a try. These people are pitiful, but if someone takes a
streetname either they had or have and get some success with it, this
indiviual would become extremely jealous

Both are hard to contact and usually can be reached only through a FOF
method. The ultra-paranoids tend to like to know ganger-losers and use their
names when possible. When the ganger gets geeked (regardless of how or why)
it automatically validates the paranoia.

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From: Renouf, Marc A <Marc.Renouf@********.com>
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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:19 AM
Subject: RE: Street Name used by two different runners

> This is the intrinsic problem I have with street names; you
> generally don't *choose* them. They get chosen for you. Think about all
> the people you know who have nicknames. Did *any* of them give those
> nicknames to themselves? Or were they merely affectations used by friends
> and associates that were usually based on inside jokes?

There's a difference between nicknames and street names, which is why I
brought up rappers and wrestlers. For many, the street name is the same as
the name of a business. It identifies them and labels them, so they need to
be careful about the name. Many, in the middle ground, would use a high
school nickname. But if you're carefully fostering your career, your friends
might all call you Stinky, but to your employers you'll only ever be known
as Blue Steel. Same goes for the covert types and the paranoid or wannabe.

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Message no. 67 --- "Renouf, Marc A" <Marc.Renouf@********.com>
wrote: >
> Simon & Fiona wrote:
>
> > Professional wrestlers often have comic book names
> (and costumes).
>
> Yes. But professional criminals do not.
>
> > I'd imagine that your style would dictate what
> kind of name you take.
>
> This is the intrinsic problem I have with street
> names; you
> generally don't *choose* them. They get chosen for
> you. Think about all
> the people you know who have nicknames. Did *any*
> of them give those
> nicknames to themselves? Or were they merely
> affectations used by friends
> and associates that were usually based on inside
> jokes? I know of one guy
> who tried to give himself a nickname in our group of
> friends, and we still
> heap scorn and derision on him for it. ;)
> Furthermore, nicknames are almost universally
> contractions or
> shortened ways of referring to people. That is, a
> convenience. So rather
> than long, complicated, impressive streetnames, I'd
> imagine that they'd be
> short, sweet, and a few syllables.
> About the only area where I can see "street names"
> being useful is
> for deckers, and that's simply because self-selected
> "handles" are a well
> established practice in the online world. But for
> regular guys? Let me ask
> it this way, what would your opinion of a guy be if
> he sat down at a meet
> and introduced himself as "The Man With No Name?"
> Or, "Hi, I'm the Chrome
> Ninja." Pretty hokey, no?

Better than giving your real fraggin' name, no.

> But what about, "Hey, I'm Nicky, but my friends
> call me 'Pike.'"
> "'Pike?' Why 'Pike?'"
> "Unfortunate fishing accident. Shall we get down
> to business?"
>
Yeah fraggin' right Marc! As If you're going to
ridicule yourself on a 1st impression/meet basis with
a nickname that they can use against you or pay you
out with, do that & you deserve a stupid fraggin'
nickname ;)

GZ-no nastieness intended, I just don't see the point
in offering a weakness instead of a strong point or
bogus name, mundane or proffessional.

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Message no. 68 --- Dan Turek <danturek@*******.com> wrote: >
> Simon & Fiona" <sf_fuller@********.com.au>
> said:
>
> >If you love media attention and have a
> fan club, or just a big rep among the underworld
> that you take pains to
> build on, then you're more likely to have a flashy,
> in-your-face name that
> matches your persona.
> >If you're more undercover espionage, you'd have an
> understated name like "The Colonel" or "Mr Smith".
> >A lot of runners who sit
> somewhere in the middle would just use their real
> names, a nickname, or an
> assumed name.
>
> There is another kind, that make a 4th category. The
> ultra-paranoid or
> complete loser-ganger. Both tend to take and drop
> new streetnames all the
> time. The ultra-paranoid does it because he is sure
> "they" are out to get
> him, so he should always change ID, including
> streetname, address, etc. This
> one would LOVE if someone else took the same
> streetname so all the heat can
> go to the newbie.
>
> The ganger-loser tends to go with trends. Maybe he
> was in the JF Kennedies
> poser-gang one month, in a die-hard paramilitary
> rock band fan-club the
> next, and since the lead singer died decided to give
> the Universal
> Brotherhood a try. These people are pitiful, but if
> someone takes a
> streetname either they had or have and get some
> success with it, this
> indiviual would become extremely jealous
>
> Both are hard to contact and usually can be reached
> only through a FOF
> method. The ultra-paranoids tend to like to know
> ganger-losers and use their
> names when possible. When the ganger gets geeked
> (regardless of how or why)
> it automatically validates the paranoia.

I'm glad you feel so strongly about trend & hokey
street names are lame & where a bunch of losers for
picking such common ridiculous freaky names ;) I like
to hear that especially when some wanna be bigshot,
proffessional pussbucket puke in a suit,
underestimates me as just some street poor slob street
ganger, trailer trash trog!

I take great pleasure In snapping his pencil neck,
waifer like,
needs-to-stand-in-the-same-spot-twice-to-cast-a-shadow
type or even suffocate s/he under my armpit amongst my
expansive chest & bulging biceps. It makes a
satifactory grating & popping sound as at the peak of
their death throws their skull is crushed & explodes
in dark prismatic spray of deep violet hue of blood &
gore like they'd been hit with a anti-matter-partical
beam. Descriptic aren't I :)

I figure the best method of survival is to hide in
plain sight of your enemy(s), you may then recede &
withraw into & from the shadows as you please. Given
full, unresticted access to cause as much mayhem,
chaos & destruction all within the safety of your
bogus Identity so you may return to the shadows from
whence you came from.

Even in death you are loyal to your employer/family as
you have retained your honour & done your duty, as It
is a dis-service if they know who you are & trace you
back to all involved.

GZ - I know I know, you're gonna' tell me I've got
issues dude :) Well I already know that too dudes &
dudets, It's just I can't help but being so
knowledgeable about such things :) ;)

BTW- does that make me 1 of the paranoid freak runners
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Message no. 69 According to Max Noel, on Wednesday 09 July 2003 20:18 the word on the
street was...

> Mmh, technically "The Man With No Name" wouldn't introduce himself at
> all. It'd be more something like,
> "Hi."
> "What's your name?"
> "You don't need to know. Besides, you know that if I were to give you
> a name it'd be false, just as you'd give me a false name if I were to
> ask, which is why I didn't ask you in the first place. Now shall we get
> to business?"

Beware that not introducing yourself can cause some people to get mildly
irritated with you, as I found out once. (I had to go to an interview with
someone who I figured knew my name because of the file she would have
read, so I didn't bother telling her. That immediately started us off on
the wrong foot; me trying to discourage her from making me explain my
hobby (roleplaying) didn't help matters, either.)

> ...but that's just me being picky ;-p. Your point stands, nicknames
> are usually given by other people.

As I said earlier in this thread, though, nicknames for RPG characters are
a bit of a difficult thing to deal with: if you pick one, and come up with
a good reason why the character has it, you'll still find that it's rarely
used because it's not a name the other _players_ gave the character --
even if you argue that the name was given by NPCs at some point in the
character's past.

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Message no. 70 Am Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:33:25 +0200 hat Gurth <gurth@******.nl> geschrieben:

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> As I said earlier in this thread, though, nicknames for RPG characters
> are a bit of a difficult thing to deal with: if you pick one, and come up
> with a good reason why the character has it, you'll still find that it's
> rarely used because it's not a name the other _players_ gave the
> character -- even if you argue that the name was given by NPCs at some
> point in the character's past.

Hm, who says that a nickname has to be the only one?
On the one hand, we have the "street name", with which a character is
linked, and this is the most likely one to be found in the corporate
databases.
And then a few others a character is known by in different groups.
His school peers might have given him one, the runners of [insert sprawl
here] have given him one, and the peers in his team have given him one.

A nickname is _next-to-always_ an informal thing. FBI agents call him "Mr.
Anderson" and his fellows call him "Neo", and another one calls him
"The
One".

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Message no. 71 At 11:52 AM 7/10/2003 +1000, Robert Ennew wrote:
> --- "Renouf, Marc A" <Marc.Renouf@********.com>
>wrote: >
>
> > But what about, "Hey, I'm Nicky, but my friends
> > call me 'Pike.'"
> > "'Pike?' Why 'Pike?'"
> > "Unfortunate fishing accident. Shall we get down
> > to business?"
> >
>Yeah fraggin' right Marc! As If you're going to
>ridicule yourself on a 1st impression/meet basis with
>a nickname that they can use against you or pay you
>out with, do that & you deserve a stupid fraggin'
>nickname ;)
>
>GZ-no nastieness intended, I just don't see the point
>in offering a weakness instead of a strong point or
>bogus name, mundane or proffessional.

"...my *friends* call me Pike." (emphasis mine)

Nicky was given the nickname Pike by his friends. The point of offering
that nickname to Mr. Johnson is that it implies that Pike wants to start
off their relationship with a bond of friendship/trust. And by sharing
some of the story Pike has just informed Mr. Johnson that despite the fact
that the nickname resulted from an unfortunate accident that Pike values
his friends more than his ego.

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Message no. 72 Good ol' Gurth said:

>As I said earlier in this thread, though, nicknames for RPG characters are
a bit of a difficult thing to deal with: if you pick one, and come up with
a good reason why the character has it, you'll still find that it's rarely
used because it's not a name the other _players_ gave the character --
even if you argue that the name was given by NPCs at some point in the
character's past.

>From what I have seen in real life, people with street names tend to use
only their street name, and will not hang with people that refuse to use it.
They tend to avoid family and friends that they had before they decided to
have a street name unless the person uses the name and doesn't lecture them
about their deviant lifestyle. Admittedly, they are a little imbalanced, and
even in real life people tend to make nicknames for them.

Of course, in SR more people are born to the streets than people that choose
to embrace them for some odd reason. If some kid decides he is "Blue
Thunder" (stolen from Ranma 1/2) even if no one else ever calls him that,
they know who you are referring to (or at least think they do until another
runner uses the same name).

Hopefully, the _players_ want to look professional in front of their
employer. If they have decided on a group name and made business cards any
one of them can just go as Mr. Johnson of XYZ Co., who will be the sales rep
to Aztechnology today with several prepared quotes for procuring difficult
to find items.
If somehow in the negotiations it is metioned that the one runner is called
"Blue Thunder" for his habit of lighting farts it ruins the atmosphere and
the Aztech rep will definitely be looking at the discount prices, provided
the office doesn't call with something urgent he has to attend to.

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On Thursday, July 10, 2003 3:19 AM, Simon & Fiona wrote

> There's a difference between nicknames and street names, which is why I
> brought up rappers and wrestlers. For many, the street name is the same as
> the name of a business.

But that's just my point. Rappers and wrestlers are in professions
where this is an established practice. Professional criminals are not. As
a Johnson, I'm not going to hire a guy who goes around calling himself "Blue
Steel" because I'm going to have serious concerns about his psychological
stability.
That said, I think the one area where self-chosen names might be
used is as an identifier for an established running crew. I could see a
high level boss calling his soon-to-be-Mr.-Johnson into his office and
saying, "This Monobe Industries thing has gotten out of hand. Call in 'The
Cleaners.' Tell them to handle it." Even if it's not as heavy as "The
Cleaners" is can still be useful. "I think this is something that 'The Milk
Men' could be useful in addressing."
And even in this case the moniker may not be self-chosen (or not
directly). If the running crew's message drop is a back-door in the
answering service of a neighborhood dairy delivery service, they may be come
to be known as "the Milk Men" by their employers. It may stick and be
passed around in corporate circles. "About six months ago, we had some
problems with staff retention. We called in 'the Milk Men.' I think they
could help you out in your situation. If you'd like, I could set up an
interview."

Don't get me wrong, there's something cool about having a clutch
street-name that encapsulates a little bit about you and serves as a
rep-tag. But I don't think it's feasible or realistic in terms of
professional crime.

Marc

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Message no. 74 On Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:52 PM, Robert Ennew was heard to opine:

> > Let me ask it this way, what would your opinion of a guy be if
> > he sat down at a meet and introduced himself as "The Man With No
Name?"
> > Or, "Hi, I'm the Chrome Ninja." Pretty hokey, no?
>
> Better than giving your real fraggin' name, no.

So give him an alias. "Hi, I'm Mike." No last name, no details,
just "Mike." It doesn't make you sound like nearly as much of a simpering
wannabe dickhead as, "I'm the Lethal Enforcer." Yeah, okay, there
"lethal."
Maybe on second thought I'll hire somebody who isn't a self-aggrandizing
jerkwad.
Besides, good professional runners should have a pocket full of fake
ID's, so giving a name is no skin off your teeth. If you only have one ID
and have to resort to a bogus, cheesy streetname to keep from giving away
your true identity, you're either in sad shape or a pretty minor player.

> > But what about, "Hey, I'm Nicky, but my friends
> > call me 'Pike.'"
> > "'Pike?' Why 'Pike?'"
> > "Unfortunate fishing accident. Shall we get down
> > to business?"
> >
> Yeah fraggin' right Marc! As If you're going to
> ridicule yourself on a 1st impression/meet basis with
> a nickname that they can use against you or pay you
> out with, do that & you deserve a stupid fraggin'
> nickname ;)

See Graht's very concise analysis of why someone might do this exact
thing. He said it more succinctly than I would've.

> GZ-no nastieness intended, I just don't see the point
> in offering a weakness instead of a strong point or
> bogus name, mundane or proffessional.

Gosh, maybe because not everything is a contest? Not every
relationship with a Johnson or fixer (or any contact, for that matter) needs
to be adversarial. Maybe because you want the other guy to take you
seriously? Maybe because you want the other guy to see you as a human being
rather than just as a "deniable asset?" Maybe because you're meeting the
person in a friendlier context than the stereotypical blind meet held under
a single naked lightbulb in an old meatlocker? And I fail to see how giving
such a nickname is in any way "weak." Nor do I see how giving someone a
cheesy streetname is "strong."

"No. I'm not going to do it until you guys start calling me 'Napster.'" -
Seth Green, "The Italian Job"

Marc

Message no. 75 RE: Street Name used by two different runners
----- Original Message -----
From: Renouf, Marc A
To: 'Shadowrun Discussion'
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:49 AM
Subject: RE: Street Name used by two different runners

> But that's just my point. Rappers and wrestlers are in professions where
this is an established practice. Professional >criminals are not.

Organised crime figures often have nicknames or working names. Just ask Al
"Scarface" Capone, Carlos "The Jackal", Son of Sam or the Unabomber.

>As a Johnson, I'm not going to hire a guy who goes around calling himself
"Blue Steel" because I'm going to have serious >concerns about his
psychological stability

I'm not talking about a guy who walks into a post office and says "Hi, I'm
Blue Steel, is there a package for me?" But how about a Johnson who asks a
contact for a good Shadowrunner. The conact says "Yeah, I know two guys
who'd fit that job. They call one Blue Steel, the other one's Stinky." Which
would you hire?

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Message no. 76 > I'm not talking about a guy who walks into a post office and says "Hi, I'm
> Blue Steel, is there a package for me?" But how about a Johnson who asks a
> contact for a good Shadowrunner. The conact says "Yeah, I know two guys
> who'd fit that job. They call one Blue Steel, the other one's Stinky." Which
> would you hire?

He has asked for a good Shadowrunner, if he doesn't know one of them
and is smart enough to survive, he would ask the contact who knows
them for a decision.

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Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Street Name used by two different runners

>
> > I'm not talking about a guy who walks into a post office and says "Hi,
I'm
> > Blue Steel, is there a package for me?" But how about a Johnson who asks
a
> > contact for a good Shadowrunner. The conact says "Yeah, I know two guys
> > who'd fit that job. They call one Blue Steel, the other one's Stinky."
Which
> > would you hire?
>
> He has asked for a good Shadowrunner, if he doesn't know one of them
> and is smart enough to survive, he would ask the contact who knows
> them for a decision.
>
Yes, OK, the contact said both would fit the job. They have comparable
skills and abilities. I'll put it another way. You need a plumber, so you
look in the phone book. There are two ads. One is "Quick and Clean
Plumbers - we're reliable and we don't cost the Earth". The other is "JH,
Plumber". Which would you call first?

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Message no. 78 According to Simon & Fiona, on Friday 11 July 2003 03:44 the word on the
street was...

> Organised crime figures often have nicknames or working names. Just ask
> Al "Scarface" Capone, Carlos "The Jackal", Son of Sam or the
Unabomber.

But did they call themselves by those names? IIRC, Al Capone didn't exactly
like anyone calling him "Scarface", for example (or was that some other
1930s criminal-with-nickname?).

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Message no. 79 Renouf, Marc A wrote:
> This is the intrinsic problem I have with street names; you
> generally don't *choose* them. They get chosen for you.
> Think about all
> the people you know who have nicknames. Did *any* of them give those
> nicknames to themselves? Or were they merely affectations
> used by friends
> and associates that were usually based on inside jokes? I
> know of one guy
> who tried to give himself a nickname in our group of friends,
> and we still
> heap scorn and derision on him for it. ;)
> Furthermore, nicknames are almost universally contractions or
> shortened ways of referring to people. That is, a
> convenience. So rather
> than long, complicated, impressive streetnames, I'd imagine
> that they'd be
> short, sweet, and a few syllables.
> About the only area where I can see "street names"
> being useful is
> for deckers, and that's simply because self-selected
> "handles" are a well
> established practice in the online world. But for regular
> guys? Let me ask
> it this way, what would your opinion of a guy be if he sat
> down at a meet
> and introduced himself as "The Man With No Name?" Or, "Hi,
> I'm the Chrome
> Ninja." Pretty hokey, no?
> But what about, "Hey, I'm Nicky, but my friends call me 'Pike.'"
> "'Pike?' Why 'Pike?'"
> "Unfortunate fishing accident. Shall we get down to business?"

I agree with most of what you're saying, but you're forgetting one critical
thing here (which you yourself mentioned above): shadowrunners are
professional criminals. Add to that the nature of their particular branch of
illegal business and you create a need for anonymity. "Street name" is
perhaps a misnomer; perhaps "professional name" would be better. Semantics.
Either way, a 'runner who goes around using his or her real birth name is
likely to have a short career.

Slayer

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Message no. 80 Robert Ennew wrote:
> [snip]
>
> GZ - I know I know, you're gonna' tell me I've got
> issues dude :) Well I already know that too dudes &
> dudets, It's just I can't help but being so
> knowledgeable about such things :) ;)

LOL. Took the words right outta my mouth ;)

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Message no. 81 Renouf, Marc A wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:52 PM, Robert Ennew was heard to opine:
>
> > > Let me ask it this way, what would your opinion of a guy be if he
> > > sat down at a meet and introduced himself as "The Man
> With No Name?"
> > > Or, "Hi, I'm the Chrome Ninja." Pretty hokey, no?
> >
> > Better than giving your real fraggin' name, no.
>
> So give him an alias. "Hi, I'm Mike." No last name,
> no details, just "Mike." It doesn't make you sound like
> nearly as much of a simpering wannabe dickhead as, "I'm the
> Lethal Enforcer." Yeah, okay, there "lethal." Maybe on
> second thought I'll hire somebody who isn't a
> self-aggrandizing jerkwad.
>
> [snip]

So how is an alias different from a street name exactly? You don't have to
pick a street name that's dramatic or infantile, an alias will suffice if
that's your poison. The point is you seem to be getting hung-up on
semantics. "Street name" does NOT have to equal volumes of cheese :)

I agree with your argument that cheesy immature street names will likely
have a negative effect on any Johnson worth his weight in spit, but "rapper
name", "wrestler name", "alias", and "street name" are
all one and the same
thing.

Slayer

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Message no. 82 At 03:16 AM 11/7/2003, Simon & Fiona wrote:
> > He has asked for a good Shadowrunner, if he doesn't know one of them
> > and is smart enough to survive, he would ask the contact who knows
> > them for a decision.
> >
>Yes, OK, the contact said both would fit the job. They have comparable
>skills and abilities. I'll put it another way. You need a plumber, so you
>look in the phone book. There are two ads. One is "Quick and Clean
>Plumbers - we're reliable and we don't cost the Earth". The other is "JH,
>Plumber". Which would you call first?

I'm of course not going to give the answer you're looking for... :D

I'm afraid I'd call JH, Plumber first, the others are trying too hard and
may in fact be covering the fact that they are in reality a right bunch of
cowboys.

To give a comparable example, the same contact situation comes up (in this
case for a courier/smuggling 'run) but the names are instead "The Ultimate
Courier - I'll get it there on time and intact" and "Slipstream"...

All other things being equal (price, reputation, leverage...etc) a Johnson
only has the name to go on and a name which sparks the Johnson's
imagination is more likely to get a runner the job than a name which says
that they're an idiot.

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Simon & Fiona were heard to mutter:

> > But that's just my point. Rappers and wrestlers are in professions
where
> > this is an established practice. Professional criminals are not.
>
> Organised crime figures often have nicknames or working
> names. Just ask Al "Scarface" Capone, Carlos "The Jackal", Son of
Sam or
the Unabomber.

You have just illustrated my point perfectly. Al Capone did very
bad things to people who called him "Scarface" to his face. Like "The
Jackal" it was a term that other people used to refer to him, but by which
he did not refer to himself. Is this making sense yet?

As for the Son of Sam, he perfectly illustrates the other side of my point:
he had a self-chosen name, and was of dubious mental stability. I don't
think that anyone would imply that David Berkowitz had all his oars in the
water. As for the Unabomber, I'm not entirely sure that that wasn't an
apellation given to him by the media. But even if it wasn't, he was crazy
as a shithouse rat too.

Marc

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Message no. 84 >From :
"Simon & Fiona" <sf_fuller@********.com.au>

> > But how about a Johnson who asks a contact for a good Shadowrunner. The
>conact says "Yeah, I know two guys who'd fit that job. They call one Blue
>Steel, the other one's Stinky."
Which would you hire?

Whichever fit the bill. Blue Steel sounds pricier. Stinky probably can get
the job done faster with less flash and less cash, but I wouldn't want to
interview him personally, or even let him ride in a limo.

>Yes, OK, the contact said both would fit the job. They have comparable
skills and abilities. I'll put it another way. You need a plumber, so you
look in the phone book. There are two ads. One is "Quick and Clean
Plumbers - we're reliable and we don't cost the Earth". The other is "JH,
Plumber". Which would you call first?

As a Company Person I would have my secretaries call them both and get
quotes. If contract negotiations had to take place I would send
representatives at close to the same time so I could review them side by
side and choose which is better for my purposes. I don't think it serves the
company's interests to not get competitive bids. If you are talking about ME
personally I call the one listed first and call down the list until I get
bored. That means JH is first due to the English alphabet.

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Message no. 85 ----- Original Message -----
From: Gurth <gurth@******.nl>
To: Shadowrun Discussion <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Street Name used by two different runners

> But did they call themselves by those names? IIRC, Al Capone didn't
exactly
> like anyone calling him "Scarface", for example (or was that some other
> 1930s criminal-with-nickname?).
>

OK, I admit it, about the only thing I know about Al Capone is that there
was nothing in his vault, but it wasn't Haraldo's fault. I was just talking
big to try to impress the kids. But I'm sure there are gangsters out there
who either chose or embraced their handle, and use(d) it regularly, if only
as a middle name.

Oh, another thing to think about. Resevoir Dogs. Everyone got assigned
codenames, whether they wanted them or not. I could see that happening in a
Shadowrun group. It might even lead to situations like "I'm Mr. Blonde.
Yeah, I know I don't look like my picture, that was the last Mr. Blonde, he
copped a bullet down in Puyallup. I think it's a stupid name too, but Mr.
White said he'd shoot me if I didn't stop bitching about it."

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Message no. 86 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Turek" <danturek@*******.com>
To: <shadowrn@*****.dumpshock.com>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:18 AM
Subject: Re[2]: Street Name used by two different runners

> >From :
> "Simon & Fiona" <sf_fuller@********.com.au>
>
> As a Company Person I would have my secretaries call them both and get
> quotes. If contract negotiations had to take place I would send
> representatives at close to the same time so I could review them side by
> side and choose which is better for my purposes. I don't think it serves
the
> company's interests to not get competitive bids. If you are talking about
ME
> personally I call the one listed first and call down the list until I get
> bored. That means JH is first due to the English alphabet.
>
Oh, drek. They never do that! The whole notion of SR teams having to sell
themselves.
Evil GMs out there...
--Anders

Message no. 87 --- Graht <davidb@****.imcprint.com> wrote: > At
11:52 AM 7/10/2003 +1000, Robert Ennew wrote:
> > --- "Renouf, Marc A" <Marc.Renouf@********.com>
> >wrote: >
> >
> > > But what about, "Hey, I'm Nicky, but my
> friends
> > > call me 'Pike.'"
> > > "'Pike?' Why 'Pike?'"
> > > "Unfortunate fishing accident. Shall we
> get down
> > > to business?"
> > >
> >Yeah fraggin' right Marc! As If you're going to
> >ridicule yourself on a 1st impression/meet basis
> with
> >a nickname that they can use against you or pay you
> >out with, do that & you deserve a stupid fraggin'
> >nickname ;)
> >
> >GZ-no nastieness intended, I just don't see the
> point
> >in offering a weakness instead of a strong point or
> >bogus name, mundane or proffessional.
>
> "...my *friends* call me Pike." (emphasis mine)
>
> Nicky was given the nickname Pike by his friends.
> The point of offering
> that nickname to Mr. Johnson is that it implies that
> Pike wants to start
> off their relationship with a bond of
> friendship/trust. And by sharing
> some of the story Pike has just informed Mr. Johnson
> that despite the fact
> that the nickname resulted from an unfortunate
> accident that Pike values
> his friends more than his ego.

Sorry Marc A Renouf, point taken, Graht just validated
what I assume you were trying to say all along, I
failed to see It in that light :)

GZ-"I want my cake & eat It too". That's probabely why
I only have very good friends, or enemies ;)

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Message no. 88 --- "Renouf, Marc A" <Marc.Renouf@********.com>
wrote: <snip>> Don't get me wrong, there's something
cool about
> having a clutch
> street-name that encapsulates a little bit about you
> and serves as a
> rep-tag. But I don't think it's feasible or
> realistic in terms of
> professional crime

It is once you've established you're the AAA grade
bang bang operator in the feild. You're in the meat
market now & It doesn't matter what hairbrained name
you wanna' call yourself, your reputation precedes you
:)

GZ

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Message no. 89 --- "Renouf, Marc A" <Marc.Renouf@********.com>
wrote: >
> On Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:52 PM, Robert Ennew
> was heard to opine:
>
> > > Let me ask it this way, what would your opinion
> of a guy be if
> > > he sat down at a meet and introduced himself as
> "The Man With No Name?"
> > > Or, "Hi, I'm the Chrome Ninja." Pretty hokey,
> no?
> >
> > Better than giving your real fraggin' name, no.
>
> So give him an alias. "Hi, I'm Mike." No last
> name, no details,
> just "Mike." It doesn't make you sound like nearly
> as much of a simpering
> wannabe dickhead as, "I'm the Lethal Enforcer."
> Yeah, okay, there "lethal."
> Maybe on second thought I'll hire somebody who isn't
> a self-aggrandizing
> jerkwad.
> Besides, good professional runners should have a
> pocket full of fake
> ID's, so giving a name is no skin off your teeth.
> If you only have one ID
> and have to resort to a bogus, cheesy streetname to
> keep from giving away
> your true identity, you're either in sad shape or a
> pretty minor player.

Everyone starts off scraping from the bottom of the
barrel, yeah you're a minor player you only make
yourself a major by sticking out from the rest like a
sore thumb. If you have to draw them out yourself By
being a dickhead & drawing them to you (corps
employers, major leaguers as trophy heads) by having a
mouth on you & cocky bravado, go ahead, that's how
Cassius Clay made it, he even changed his name to
Mahamed Ali, & as long as you can back It up, Frag
everyone else ('cept your buddies) or return to the
shadow from wence you came & simmer & boil over It
all, as If your anthiny like I am, you deserve to take
the credit & the chance to shine from the darkness.

> > > But what about, "Hey, I'm Nicky, but my friends
> > > call me 'Pike.'"
> > > "'Pike?' Why 'Pike?'"
> > > "Unfortunate fishing accident. Shall we get
> down
> > > to business?"
> > >
> > Yeah fraggin' right Marc! As If you're going to
> > ridicule yourself on a 1st impression/meet basis
> with
> > a nickname that they can use against you or pay
> you
> > out with, do that & you deserve a stupid fraggin'
> > nickname ;)
>
> See Graht's very concise analysis of why someone
> might do this exact
> thing. He said it more succinctly than I would've.
> > GZ-no nastieness intended, I just don't see the
> point
> > in offering a weakness instead of a strong point
> or
> > bogus name, mundane or proffessional.
>
> Gosh, maybe because not everything is a contest?

Well you're not gonna' get anywhere If you're meek &
not prepared to step In to take the place of one who
falls or who you made fall so as you can survive by
cutting out the opposition from the fold, It's your
survival over theirs

> Not every
> relationship with a Johnson or fixer (or any
> contact, for that matter) needs
> to be adversarial. Maybe because you want the other
> guy to take you
> seriously? Maybe because you want the other guy to
> see you as a human being
> rather than just as a "deniable asset?"

If you're not deniable & made redundant when the shit
hits the fan, you're not an asset & you don't get the
job.

> Maybe
> because you're meeting the
> person in a friendlier context than the
> stereotypical blind meet held under
> a single naked lightbulb in an old meatlocker? And
> I fail to see how giving
> such a nickname is in any way "weak." Nor do I see
> how giving someone a
> cheesy streetname is "strong"
> "No. I'm not going to do it until you guys start
> calling me 'Napster.'" -
> Seth Green, "The Italian Job"
>
> Marc

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